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Car import blues….

By Ceej1973 - 11 June 2009 41

So you thought you might like to purchase a  car with some of that bonus you had paid out ! You find the perfect car you have been dreaming of for the past 12 months. It’s a bargain, seller seems genuinne, you take a day off to travel interstate to make the purchase upon being happy with the inspection. So you have done the research, asked all the right questions, done a REVs check, and the purchase goes ahead just fine. Then the rort begins, and you return home to the ACT, and try and register it here.

1. You have 14 days in order to transfer registration across to the city that the vehicle will now reside. Fine, I can live with that. Its the same rule across the country.

2. You are required to have a roadworthy inspection, in order to satisfy the Authorities that no dangerous modifications will be imported into the cars new State of residence. Fine, I can live with that and the piece of mind that the car will be pased, or need fixing to a safe standard.

3. The car needs repairing to bring it up to the Authorities safety standards. Great, my car is safe now, albeit $1000 later. I now know what ping springs are, and that privacy tinting is forbidin in the ACT for obvious reasons.

4. is where I start getting annoyed. After my car has had the repairs, is now safe, and is ready for registration, I am required to have an Identification check. This is so that the Authorities are satisfied that the vehicle that I have taken ownership of, was not stolen, or involved in any crime. My question being, wouldnt the REV’s check that I did cover this and, considering that the ID check does find that it is stolen, and that the Registry will automatically confiscate the vehicle from me for which I have just spent $30,000 to purchase and a further $1000 to bring up to road worthy, why is the ID check not performed prior to road worthy. Why not save the pain of the new owner spending a further $1000+ on a car they have already forked out $$$$$ on, prior to the additional costs.

5. Come tomorrow ( will let you know the ID check outcome), I am granted ownership by the Authorities should the ID check be fine, what is with having to pay $3/$100 value of the vehcle in Stamp Duty. Stamp Duty was paid by the original owner (granted in another State), but isnt this just double dipping, like all stamp duties. which leads me too….

6. What is it with State by State vehicle registration laws. What dont we have a single Law, like other civilised countries such as Germany. I travel a lot, and the last time I travelled inter-State (Friday to purchase car from Sydney), I don’t remember the road conditions or signage, or road rules changed from one State boundary to the other that dramatically. I didn’t feel that bump crossing the boundary that my parents tried tricking me with as a kid.

If there was a consistent nation registration Regulator, then my annoyance at points 4 and 5 could/ would have been avoided. Further, as any Mechanic I speak with concurs with, all of Australia would have a nation annual inspection program like NSW still has, and issues such as the one with “ping springs” in my (post tomorrow) newly purchased car have less chance of occuring.

What’s Your opinion?


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Car import blues….
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JC 4:40 pm
11 Jun 09
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A REVS check only checks if the car has money owed on it. It does not show if it has been rebirthed or stolen.

As for the rest of your post, get over it. That is how it works, it is how it has always worked. I almost wish we still had annual rego checks in the ACT, that way tools like you who complain about having to do saftey related maintenance on your “perfectly road worthy” car would cop it every year and really have a road worthy car.

PS save us the whine tomorrow on your ‘ping springs’

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kos 4:51 pm
11 Jun 09
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JC said :

A REVS check only checks if the car has money owed on it. It does not show if it has been rebirthed or stolen.

As for the rest of your post, get over it. That is how it works, it is how it has always worked. I almost wish we still had annual rego checks in the ACT, that way tools like you who complain about having to do saftey related maintenance on your “perfectly road worthy” car would cop it every year and really have a road worthy car.

PS save us the whine tomorrow on your ‘ping springs’

The rules between states in Australia are rediclious. I can ride my motorbike or drive my car legally in the ACT with legal modifications, and as soon as I cross the border the modifications are illegal, or the rules change. I don’t see the problem with yearly inspections other then the pain in getting there, nor the issues with getting roadworthy in the ACT. After putting through heavily modified cars and bikes through Dickson I’ve never had an issue?

However I have no idea what the hell ping springs are.

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Ceej1973 4:52 pm
11 Jun 09
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JC said :

A REVS check only checks if the car has money owed on it. It does not show if it has been rebirthed or stolen.

As for the rest of your post, get over it. That is how it works, it is how it has always worked. I almost wish we still had annual rego checks in the ACT, that way tools like you who complain about having to do saftey related maintenance on your “perfectly road worthy” car would cop it every year and really have a road worthy car.

PS save us the whine tomorrow on your ‘ping springs’

Who said I was whining about annual checks. I am all for them actually.

Further, the re-possession system that is in place should the Authorities find it has been stolen (I do understand how much a REVs check covers BTW)is unfair, which is what my point was. If its been stolen, one would presume, that the original owner has insurance (too bad if not) and has made his/her claim for the value of the car. So why put so much duress under people purchasing vehicles privately.

You would have to be the only person JC, that I have heard of who welcomes over taxing by Governments such as stamp duty. So cut the offensive “tool” comments.

Just a pity you read into it a bit too much.

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Ceej1973 4:55 pm
11 Jun 09
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kos said :

JC said :

A REVS check only checks if the car has money owed on it. It does not show if it has been rebirthed or stolen.

As for the rest of your post, get over it. That is how it works, it is how it has always worked. I almost wish we still had annual rego checks in the ACT, that way tools like you who complain about having to do saftey related maintenance on your “perfectly road worthy” car would cop it every year and really have a road worthy car.

PS save us the whine tomorrow on your ‘ping springs’

The rules between states in Australia are rediclious. I can ride my motorbike or drive my car legally in the ACT with legal modifications, and as soon as I cross the border the modifications are illegal, or the rules change. I don’t see the problem with yearly inspections other then the pain in getting there, nor the issues with getting roadworthy in the ACT. After putting through heavily modified cars and bikes through Dickson I’ve never had an issue?

However I have no idea what the hell ping springs are.

As I found out yesterday, they are springs that just float around, so that the car can be lowered without making any major mods. They are usually shorter, and are not connected at the bottom rack or top mountings, so when you go over a drop off, speed hump, or in the case of my roadworthy (which contrary to JC’s comment I do agre with) onto the hoist, they just float around.

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el 5:03 pm
11 Jun 09
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el said :

Further, the re-possession system that is in place should the Authorities find it has been stolen (I do understand how much a REVs check covers BTW)is unfair, which is what my point was. If its been stolen, one would presume, that the original owner has insurance (too bad if not) and has made his/her claim for the value of the car.

In which case the insurance company owns the car, should it ever turn up. They can then auction the vehicle (usually the trashed remnants) to recover a small fraction of the sum that they’ve paid out the former owner.

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brothereagle 5:06 pm
11 Jun 09
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Totally agree with you Ceej1973. I too recently went through all this and found it ridiculous.

PS JC save us all and just never post again.

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cranky 5:30 pm
11 Jun 09
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The ACT rego authorities have taken the ID checks to a ludicrous level.

I recently registered a car I built from scratch. Started with a pile of steel tubing, and wound up with a vehicle which complied with all the current ADR’s, and was deemed mechanically sound by the authorities.

But even though the only number stamped on anything in the vehicle was the (secondhand – receipts provided) engine, the authorities demand a ‘complex ID Check’. This is apparently for vehicles previously written off, and being presented for new registration. Having built it myself, very few parts were from wrecked vehicles, and none had identifying numbers (brakes, wheels etc).

This check took less than half an hour, which included photocopying of documents presented.

For this ‘service’, the whole 30 minutes of it, the ACT Gov charges $410 or so!

There is no justification for this ripoff, apart from motorists being a cash cow.

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Woody Mann-Caruso 6:14 pm
11 Jun 09
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Further, the re-possession system that is in place should the Authorities find it has been stolen (I do understand how much a REVs check covers BTW)is unfair

So you think it’s fair that you take possession of stolen property? That the other party should ‘just have insurance’, thus making it a victimless crime (the insurance company, presumably, can go get effed, as can people without insurance)?

What a unique perspective on ‘fair’ you have. Could you give me your address and leave the car unlocked? I could totally use a new car, and I assume you’re insured, and if you’re not, well soggy SAOs for you then. You could use your insurance claim to go take a basic civics course and learn about why States are sovereign governments, and why that’s a good thing. You could also ponder the relationship between your stamp duty and the salaries and infrastructure required to run all these checks so that your, loik, totally safe and legal car, moit, really is.

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hk0reduck 6:14 pm
11 Jun 09
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Are you sure you needed to spend the $1,000.00 bringing the car up to scratch prior to organizing the Vehicle Identity Inspection?

From –> http://www.rego.act.gov.au/registrations/regovehicleidentity.htm
“You must obtain a roadworthy inspection report before an identity inspection can be conducted.”

It just says you need to obtain a report, not pass it.

5. I too hate stamp duty :)

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Gungahlin Al 6:23 pm
11 Jun 09
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Ceej, JC either works for, is minister of, or has some other close connection to the department, which seems to be why he just so totally agrees with everything they do…and you’ll note he states ‘it’s always worked that way’ then immediately contradicts himself by saying it used to be different.

Stamp duty IS a rip off, and is still there because every state and territory welched on their commitment under the GST deal to ditch all such indirect taxes. And Howard/Costello let them.

And in a town of public sector workers, you’d think we’d devise simpler ways of dealing with our own, but instead we seem to just put up with over-managed and over-charged processes. I well recall the drama of getting our Qld-reg cars converted over to ACT rego, and can sympathise.

On your idea of one standard system, all I can say is “shed a tier” – “banish the states”. I just won’t happen until we lose a tier of government in this country. But I agree wholeheartedly.

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shauno 6:48 pm
11 Jun 09
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Yep this is another example of the stupidity of the system we have in Australia. Total waste of money for all concerned it should just be one federal license and one federal registration system.

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Woody Mann-Caruso 7:18 pm
11 Jun 09
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Whoah back now, let’s not get sidetracked. Ceej has made it perfectly clear that his real issue (‘which is what my point was’) is with the repossession of stolen vehicles, and that it should just be a case of “too bad” for people without insurance and for insurance companies. The rest is just noise. Do any of you waxing lyrical about the Federation and stamp duty agree with his view about repossessing stolen vehicles?

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shauno 8:06 pm
11 Jun 09
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they should just accept his original revs check and be done with it

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Woody Mann-Caruso 8:41 pm
11 Jun 09
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As has already been pointed out above, a REVS check only tells you if a vehicle is encumbered, not if it’s been stolen or rebirthed. Does this mean I should wait for ceej to pay off his new car, then steal it?

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Woody Mann-Caruso 8:45 pm
11 Jun 09
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Sorry – I should qualify that last statement. If a vehicle has been reported stolen, and there’s an advisory about it, then it could be included on the REVS check, but REVS does not guarantee this information. Even if it was guaranteed, it doesn’t mitigate ceej’s “suck it up if I now own your stolen car” view.

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