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A modest proposal on public holidays [With poll]

By johnboy - 30 April 2012 89

Let’s get with the program people. It’s 2012 and we’re not all white anglo saxon protestants around here trooping of to church every Sunday and observing the Sabbath.

Why should the Christians get all the holidays while Diwali, Hanukkah, Lunar new year, the Eid ul fitr, Nowruz, or Kwaanza are not?

To say nothing of the massive embuggerance to pretty much everyone of shutting the whole country down while we’re all forced to take a day off most at any given moment don’t give a damn about.

Not to mention the high farce in Canberra of “Family and Community Day” the holiday to replace the trade unionists picnic day which we can’t even find anything concrete to commemorate so we farm it out to warm fuzzies.

But the solution, for my money, isn’t to foist more command and control down from above.

Rather let’s empower individual choice.

What would you think dear reader if you were able to designate ten days a year on your calendar as significant to you and if your employer wants you to come in on those days they pay triple time?

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89 Responses to
A modest proposal on public holidays [With poll]
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Mysteryman 1:18 pm
30 Apr 12
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Also, your poll is a joke.

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johnboy 1:29 pm
30 Apr 12
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Mysteryman said :

This country was founded by people claiming to be of Christian beliefs/ideals, like it or not. Those ideals have been upheld through our relatively short history by both government and the general public, and played a very large part in influencing a great many aspects of our society, including our public holidays. You don’t like it? That’s ok. You are entitled to your opinion. But I think you’ll find that you are in the minority.

This country was founded by convicts in chains being regularly physically assaulted while the original inhabitants of the land were dispossessed.

There was a distinct lack of Christian values in the nation’s foundings. And there are what, 3 days of holidays on the calendar that existed in 1788?

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VYBerlinaV8_is_back 1:36 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Is there a specific reason for this topic? The tone of your story seems kinda angry.

You don’t see that the current system is

a) ludicrous
b) deeply unfair to large sections of the community
c) bloody awful for anyone trying to get anything serious done

?

a) No it’s not
b) quite possibly, and it would be great to change public holidays to be more inclusive of other cultures
c) No it’s not

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pink little birdie 1:37 pm
30 Apr 12
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Most workplaces allow you to take days of religious significance off if they are from another religion.
I have even heard of small offices closing on days of Jewish signigicance cos the boss was Jewish.

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poetix 1:39 pm
30 Apr 12
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Many years ago, I worked as a union organiser and was contacted by a group of people whose employer was trying to force them to take parts of their annual leave to fit it with his religious holidays, which they did not want to happen. Surely there would be more of this type of thing with your scheme? I am not trying to prop up any religion here, but I think you would find people in fairly mundane jobs missing out. “Choice” only works for those with bargaining power. It is largely a myth.

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johnboy 1:40 pm
30 Apr 12
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Remind me again why the day a jew was crucified 2,000 years ago, as signified by phases of the moon is a cause for non christians to not go to work now, while those non christians still have to work the days they do care about?

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Duffbowl 1:43 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

There was a distinct lack of Christian values in the nation’s foundings. And there are what, 3 days of holidays on the calendar that existed in 1788?

Define Christian values.

The value of public holidays is that employers can predict with certainty that employees will not be available on those days. Tack another 12 days onto annual leave, and forecasting becomes murkier by 4.6%. This is low end, without considering anything other than it becomes 32 days out of 260 vice 20.

The value of removing public holidays for employers is reducing their wage bills, particularly for workers on wages. If you have your employees rostered on for public holidays, for 8 hours work, that’s the equivalent of 240 wage hours. Clawing back the extra cash will give an 11.5% saving per employee.

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Mr Gillespie 1:44 pm
30 Apr 12
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The problem is, like he says, the whole country shutting down to keep some group of religious bigots happy and allow them to “observe” their religious rituals, be it Easter, Christmas, Good Friday, or whatever.

Plus this double, and triple-time scheme is nothing but expensive nonsense because whatever day it is, equal work is equal value, no??

I have always believed in taking holidays in your own time, not on everyone else’s time. Have a swap system, rotate the rostered days off, within reasonable and sensible boundaries.

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HenryBG 1:52 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Is there a specific reason for this topic? The tone of your story seems kinda angry.

You don’t see that the current system is

[…]
b) deeply unfair to large sections of the community
[…]

?

Don’t exaggerate. Non-christians in this country are a tiny, tiny minority, and nowhere near to being “large sections”.

You may have noticed, but most of the celebrations you mentioned as being potential alternatives to our Christmas/Easter/etc… belong to cultures from countries whose people are mostly desperate to *leave*.
This stands in contrast to this country, which has a huge demand for migration places every year.

It seems that not only is this country happy with its holidays, but most foreigners would rather come and live in a society informed by this culture rather than any other.

If it ain’t broken, let’s not “fix” it. PC has done enough damage to this society already.

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youami 1:54 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

Remind me again why the day a jew was crucified 2,000 years ago, as signified by phases of the moon is a cause for non christians to not go to work now, while those non christians still have to work the days they do care about?

Not to mention there is no evidence whatsoever that anyone that went by the name of Jesus Christ was even crucified. And also keep in mind Christmas in all it’s glory is a pagan holiday celebrating the Winter solstice and gift giving from Saturnalia. And I support johnboy’s claim that Australia was not founded on Christianity, it was almost the opposite given the socio-economic class that the convicts derived from.

Not that I believe everything I read, especially Wikipedia, following link does have some great references to look up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Australia

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Duffbowl 2:03 pm
30 Apr 12
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“It’s 2012 and we’re not all white anglo saxon protestants around here trooping of to church every Sunday and observing the Sabbath.”

You’re right. I’m not a white anglo saxon protestant; I’m white-ish anglo celt agnostic anglican. I certainly don’t troop off to church on any Sunday, as I’m not keen on organised religion. However, according to the ABS, 68% of Australians still consider themselves to be Christian in 2001. The next biggest groups were:
– No religion (15.5%)
– Not stated/ inadequately described (11.7%)
– Other religions (4.9%)

Link -> http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/bb8db737e2af84b8ca2571780015701e/bfdda1ca506d6cfaca2570de0014496e!OpenDocument

While looking for the above, I did find that the ABS only breaks down Christianity by sect.
From ABS 1266.0 Australian Standard Classification of Religious Groups, Second Edition, 2011.

1 BUDDHISM
101 Buddhism

2 CHRISTIANITY
201 Anglican
203 Baptist
205 Brethren
207 Catholic
211 Churches of Christ
213 Jehovah’s Witnesses
215 Latter-day Saints
217 Lutheran
221 Oriental Orthodox
222 Assyrian Apostolic
223 Eastern Orthodox
225 Presbyterian and Reformed
227 Salvation Army
231 Seventh-day Adventist
233 Uniting Church
24 Pentecostal
28 Other Protestant
29 Other Christian

3 HINDUISM
301 Hinduism

4 ISLAM
401 Islam

5 JUDAISM
501 Judaism

6 OTHER RELIGIONS
601 Australian Aboriginal Traditional Religions
603 Baha’i
605 Chinese Religions
607 Druse
611 Japanese Religions
613 Nature Religions
615 Sikhism
617 Spiritualism
699 Miscellaneous Religions

7 NO RELIGION
701 No Religion

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HenryBG 2:08 pm
30 Apr 12
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youami said :

Not to mention there is no evidence whatsoever that anyone that went by the name of Jesus Christ was even crucified.

I especially like how in the Bible, the “prophet” Isaiah prophecies that god will send a son called “Immanuel” down to earth, and this prophecy comes true when Mary has her magically-conceived son and calls him…er….”Jesus”.

Like, when you’re making up stuff, it kinda helps to keep it at least semi-consistent. Whoever wrote the Bible wasn’t even trying.
Maybe it’s a gullibility test?

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Mysteryman 2:09 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

Mysteryman said :

This country was founded by people claiming to be of Christian beliefs/ideals, like it or not. Those ideals have been upheld through our relatively short history by both government and the general public, and played a very large part in influencing a great many aspects of our society, including our public holidays. You don’t like it? That’s ok. You are entitled to your opinion. But I think you’ll find that you are in the minority.

This country was founded by convicts in chains being regularly physically assaulted while the original inhabitants of the land were dispossessed.

There was a distinct lack of Christian values in the nation’s foundings. And there are what, 3 days of holidays on the calendar that existed in 1788?

Actually, colonising a place and creating a nation are two separate things. Related, yes, but they are not the same. The country was founded by a group of people who wanted to see the British colonies unite and become self-governing. Most of these people were practicing Christians, or of Christian influence.

We had some 80 or so years of convicts being sent here, the last of which occured quite some time before federation (or the process thereof). Voluntary migration was a much, much larger part of shaping our nation, as were the people born here. According to the records, some 96% of people in Australia in 1901 identified themselves as being Christian. And still more than 63% as of 6 years ago. Hardly representative of “a distinct lack of Christian values”.

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johnboy 2:12 pm
30 Apr 12
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Mysteryman said :

We had some 80 or so years of convicts being sent here, the last of which occured quite some time before federation (or the process thereof). Voluntary migration was a much, much larger part of shaping our nation, as were the people born here. According to the records, some 96% of people in Australia in 1901 identified themselves as being Christian. And still more than 63% as of 6 years ago. Hardly representative of “a distinct lack of Christian values”.

Ahh right, so you’re only counting since federation now?

And because 63% self identify as christian with no particular christian practice (or heaven forfend understanding) you would knock back a proposal which would still let christians practice christian holidays but let everyone else have a fair crack too?

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zander 2:14 pm
30 Apr 12
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I’m with you on this one johnboy.
In fact I think the whole calendar needs a revamp. Why have 7 days a week because of some story in the bible. I say we move to a ten day week; three days on, one day off, four days on, two days off. As we can’t change the number of days in a year there would need to be a 5 day end of year festival (6 in a leap year) to sync up the astronomical cycle. No public holidays, just 14 days annual leave which would make the number of days worked in a year the same as now.

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