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A modest proposal on public holidays [With poll]

By johnboy - 30 April 2012 89

Let’s get with the program people. It’s 2012 and we’re not all white anglo saxon protestants around here trooping of to church every Sunday and observing the Sabbath.

Why should the Christians get all the holidays while Diwali, Hanukkah, Lunar new year, the Eid ul fitr, Nowruz, or Kwaanza are not?

To say nothing of the massive embuggerance to pretty much everyone of shutting the whole country down while we’re all forced to take a day off most at any given moment don’t give a damn about.

Not to mention the high farce in Canberra of “Family and Community Day” the holiday to replace the trade unionists picnic day which we can’t even find anything concrete to commemorate so we farm it out to warm fuzzies.

But the solution, for my money, isn’t to foist more command and control down from above.

Rather let’s empower individual choice.

What would you think dear reader if you were able to designate ten days a year on your calendar as significant to you and if your employer wants you to come in on those days they pay triple time?

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89 Responses to
A modest proposal on public holidays [With poll]
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EvanJames 2:15 pm
30 Apr 12
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Getting rid of public holidays and turning them into 10 discretionary days off would mean we lose them. Also, part of the scene is that they are events, marked in the calendar, something of remark and note.

As for celebrating other cultures’ holidays, sure, when they celebrate ours. There seems to be a one-sided stampede to reduce our own cultural markers while inflating those of other cultures, after all, they wear funnier clothes and have more interesting food, so their cultures are “stronger” than ours. Our public holidays, with the exception of that fake ACT Government one, are part of our culture and they mark out the year.

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Duffbowl 2:15 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

And because 63% self identify as christian with no particular christian practice (or heaven forfend understanding) you would knock back a proposal which would still let christians practice christian holidays but let everyone else have a fair crack too?

So, only Christians that are recognised under some system as being Christian are entitled? Cool.

Personally, I thought sharing of the religious holidays was a very Christian thing to do 😉

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devils_advocate 2:16 pm
30 Apr 12
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I’m a catholic. I’ll keep my days off, thanks.

Now I don’t know if other religions require days off for observance. Maybe they like other things, like concealing their faces in public, banning plastic bags or having special lanes screened off in swimming pools.

But if they want days off as well then I don’t oppose their right to have them. They can use their popular influence like everyone else these days.

This approach probably won’t work out well for businesses – especially small businesses – but that boat sailed eons ago.

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HenryBG 2:21 pm
30 Apr 12
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Duffbowl said :

– Other religions (4.9%)

I’m happy if we give them 4.9% of our public holidays.
That’s 4 hours 42 minutes per annum (4 hours 24 minutes and 40 seconds for the pubes among us).

They can fight it out amongst themselves to decide whose holy day gets up.

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HenryBG 2:23 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

And because 63% self identify as christian with no particular christian practice (or heaven forfend understanding) you would knock back a proposal which would still let christians practice christian holidays but let everyone else have a fair crack too?

In what way can “everyone else” currently not practice their holidays as they see fit?

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johnboy 2:27 pm
30 Apr 12
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HenryBG said :

In what way can “everyone else” currently not practice their holidays as they see fit?

Because they have to shut up shop on days they care nothing for and yet get no consideration for their own days.

if staff get triple time for their designated days of significance I can bet you bosses would be lining up to let them have the day off.

Somewhat in reverse in the hospitality industry they’re always oversubscribed with staff willing to work christmas to get the penalty rates.

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Deref 2:33 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

Because the phases of the moon in relation to a 2 millennia ago event held sacred by a faith you don’t even follow is the rational basis for your work life?

Tch, JB – the Easter Bunny died for your sins! Isn’t that enough reason for a holiday?

Let’s have more! How about Festivus?

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HenryBG 2:36 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

HenryBG said :

In what way can “everyone else” currently not practice their holidays as they see fit?

Because they have to shut up shop on days they care nothing for and yet get no consideration for their own days.

So you’re suggesting that 63% of the population “have to shut up shop on days they care nothing for” on account of the 4.9% who do care about those days?

Do we have any stats on the percentage of this 4.9% who actually get their knickers in a twist over this?
Or is this a PC-initiative being pushed on their behalf by rather-too-earnest vegetarians?

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youami 2:37 pm
30 Apr 12
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Duffbowl said :

“It’s 2012 and we’re not all white anglo saxon protestants around here trooping of to church every Sunday and observing the Sabbath.”

You’re right. I’m not a white anglo saxon protestant; I’m white-ish anglo celt agnostic anglican. I certainly don’t troop off to church on any Sunday, as I’m not keen on organised religion. However, according to the ABS, 68% of Australians still consider themselves to be Christian in 2001. The next biggest groups were:
– No religion (15.5%)
– Not stated/ inadequately described (11.7%)
– Other religions (4.9%)

Of course the difficulty with using the census is that people who are not “practicising” or who consider themselves agnostic or borderline atheist have in the past generally still ticked the religion of their upbringing and/or the religion that they were baptised against.

Did you, Duffbowl, would (or had) tick(ed) in the census “Anglican” even though you admit yourself you are agnostic and non-practising?

I would suggest that there are significantly more than 15.5% who have no formal established religion because they either completed the census wrong by assuming that religion status also includes non-practicising or they didn’t want to offend. Non-practicising means just that, you are either not religious in the first place or you are simply not aligned to the stream of your religious upbringing. I was baptised Presbyterian but I am an atheist now so my upbringing is a moot point.

Of course if anyone who is non-practising yet still thinks there is a magic and mystical almighty in the sky, then I would put it to them that they are simply a non-denominational believer in an omnipotent monotheist etc (either #29 or #699) not anything else (eg. not Anglican #201 in your case Duffbowl).

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Someonesmother 2:40 pm
30 Apr 12
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My lucky husband gets the both of Australian and American holidays. I want his job!

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johnboy 2:42 pm
30 Apr 12
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HenryBG said :

Or is this a PC-initiative being pushed on their behalf by rather-too-earnest vegetarians?

Erm, it’s one writer, me, thought bubbling a better way to organise society to the benefit of all not just the largest single grouping in a diverse society (at not cost whatsoever to that grouping and in fact with significant advantages to all concerned).

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fnaah 2:45 pm
30 Apr 12
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“in fact I think the whole calendar needs a revamp. Why have 7 days a week because of some story in the bible. I say we move to a ten day week; three days on, one day off, four days on, two days off. As we can’t change the number of days in a year there would need to be a 5 day end of year festival (6 in a leap year) to sync up the astronomical cycle. No public holidays, just 14 days annual leave which would make the number of days worked in a year the same as now.”

This is the best idea I’ve heard in a long time.

As an atheist, I feel like a hypocrite for enjoying the time off granted to me by our sky-fairy-believing overlords, and often wonder what other non-christian people make of the whole arrangement.

Is it just me, or are the most intolerant responses here coming from the god-botherers (as usual)?

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poetix 2:48 pm
30 Apr 12
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youami said :

johnboy said :

Remind me again why the day a jew was crucified 2,000 years ago, as signified by phases of the moon is a cause for non christians to not go to work now, while those non christians still have to work the days they do care about?

Not to mention there is no evidence whatsoever that anyone that went by the name of Jesus Christ was even crucified. And also keep in mind Christmas in all it’s glory is a pagan holiday celebrating the Winter solstice and gift giving from Saturnalia. And I support johnboy’s claim that Australia was not founded on Christianity, it was almost the opposite given the socio-economic class that the convicts derived from.

Not that I believe everything I read, especially Wikipedia, following link does have some great references to look up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Australia

Could we try and discuss the proposal without bashing any particular religion?

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Mysteryman 3:03 pm
30 Apr 12
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johnboy said :

Mysteryman said :

We had some 80 or so years of convicts being sent here, the last of which occured quite some time before federation (or the process thereof). Voluntary migration was a much, much larger part of shaping our nation, as were the people born here. According to the records, some 96% of people in Australia in 1901 identified themselves as being Christian. And still more than 63% as of 6 years ago. Hardly representative of “a distinct lack of Christian values”.

Ahh right, so you’re only counting since federation now?

And because 63% self identify as christian with no particular christian practice (or heaven forfend understanding) you would knock back a proposal which would still let christians practice christian holidays but let everyone else have a fair crack too?

Do you not know the difference between a colony and a nation? Probably best to familiarise yourself with the terms if you’re going to make claims about what a country is, or it not, founded on.

No, I would knock back the proposal because I think it’s foolish. How is allowing anyone to take their own public holidays going to improve productivity (which seems to be one of your complaints)? Planning around absence and periods of down time is easy to do with a set calendar of sactioned public holidays. Allowing people to take off whichever days they want to will make things far more complicated, and harder to account and plan for.

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johnboy 3:06 pm
30 Apr 12
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Mysteryman said :

Do you not know the difference between a colony and a nation? Probably best to familiarise yourself with the terms if you’re going to make claims about what a country is, or it not, founded on.

I’m sorry what day is Australia celebrated on again?

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