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ACT to Stretch Borders

By 26 July 2011 29

According to the Canberra Times the ACT government are looking to expand the borders to accommodate more suburbs [ED - actually use amenity cross-border, not quite the same thing].

Developers are apparently looking at building on both sides of the border at Belconnen, and it seems the only way to deliver services is to shift borders.

The ACT is set to burst out of its borders as Canberra’s hunger for residential land forces developers right over the boundary with NSW.

The administrative problems thrown up by the territory’s first cross-border suburb, proposed in West Belconnen, are so thorny that bureaucrats were told to draw up plans to simply move the border.

Canberra developers. the Riverview Group. have approached the ACT Government and Yass Valley Council with a plan to build thousands of houses on agricultural land that straddles the ACT-NSW border just outside West Belconnen.

Whilst I find this interesting, I am wondering if we really need to expand beyond the existing borders just yet. I know more housing is required, but shoving people out in the middle of nowhere doesn’t really solve anything, unless employment is there as well. Otherwise we have a repeat of Gungahlin.

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29 Responses to ACT to Stretch Borders
#1
Heavs1:13 pm, 26 Jul 11

Something doesn’t add up here. How can this Riverview group ‘own’ the land in the ACT. I didn’t see the property owners in Molonglo Valley selling their paddocks – the Government just resumed it.

#2
Chop712:43 pm, 26 Jul 11

I guess the land in West Mac is closer to services and the refurbished Belconnen mall than other outer suburbs in Gunners and Tuggies. Otherwise people wouldn’t look at developing it.

Good luck to them I say, just hope that the blocks are bigger than the usual postage stamps

#3
EvanJames2:57 pm, 26 Jul 11

More city expansion over agricultural land. Population growth is causing so many problems, and no solutions, and yet it continues.

#4
p13:10 pm, 26 Jul 11

I read this in the Crimes while waiting for a coffee. I find it pretty interesting development proposal actually. For a lot of reasons it makes a lot of sense. It is close to many things which will reduce costs/travel times:

Close to the sewerage treatment plant (LMWQCC or Poo City);
Close-ish to Belco and the services available; and
at the end of pretty good roads.

But there seems to be some pretty big stumbling blocks too. Like it being in the Yass council area. The developers must be trying to organise for the ACT Gov’t to agree to a pretty big guarantee of cost associated or Yass isn’t going to want to go for it. While it is pretty obvious that the developers are in cahoots with the Corkhills, I am interested to know what their neighbours think about this plan.

I also love the fact that the southern edge of the yellow shaded area on their map borders the previously mentioned Poo City. While it is actually a pretty world class facility, I still wouldn’t want to live next to it. But I guess we need to put “affordable” housing somewhere.

#5
damien haas3:45 pm, 26 Jul 11

its an interesting proposal, but I can see it becoming a problem for people who may choose to live there.

As its a cross border proposal who will provide public transport ? Deanes and ACTION do not perform revenue services across the borders (Deanes do a few pickups in Civic and Russell).

Or will it mean that two cars or more per family will be required ?

I have spoken to the owners of properties out past Parkwood on the NSW side and they already have problems getting police to attend. Its in NSW so a QBN car has to traverse Canberra – if they attend at all. There is no access to this area, by road, from the Yass side.
There is also the issue of existing business and the chook farm out in Parkwood. Will the developer pressure these business to relocate ?

Im sure that all these issues can be resolved, but they need to be addressed BEFORE the developer starts to flog new homes of the plans.

Disclaimer – Im on the Commitee of the Belconnen Community Council (hey, check out our facebook page)

#6
Gungahlin Al3:46 pm, 26 Jul 11

I have said it before here, if I was despot, I’d shift the ACT borders out to Yass and Bungendore. Then we’d have the entire geographical, social, and economical catchment in the one municipality. And connected to the #1 highway.

Bingo – sustainable budget. Without needing massive population growth as pined after by Catherine Carter et al.

#7
ma7trlb3:50 pm, 26 Jul 11

and there was I thinking this was a story about the old borders store in the Canberra Centre.

Which, now its empty, could be used to house more than a few people in need of affordable housing. They wouldn’t need kitchens, cos the food court is outside, there’s toilets down the corridor, and an onsite gym, I see it as a big win. I reckon you could get easily 25+ studio apartments in there.

No windows might make them a tad dreary, but hey, cheer up, you live in a mall!

#8
Holden Caulfield4:00 pm, 26 Jul 11

“Otherwise we have a repeat of Gungahlin.”

Erm, hasn’t the big G followed the path of Tuggeranong, Belconnen and Woden already? Why stop now?

#9
00davist4:40 pm, 26 Jul 11

Gungahlin Al said :

I have said it before here, if I was despot, I’d shift the ACT borders out to Yass and Bungendore. Then we’d have the entire geographical, social, and economical catchment in the one municipality. And connected to the #1 highway.

Bingo – sustainable budget. Without needing massive population growth as pined after by Catherine Carter et al.

And for the people who live out of town to AVOID living in a city? (Thankfully even your plan would leave me out of the loop) There are alot of people who dont like living in lego land!

#10
dvaey6:27 pm, 26 Jul 11

So why do we need to stretch north of the border, when there appears to be a big chunk of land to the south-west of the yellow shaded area, which is already in the ACT. Maybe the developers should look at developing around tharwa and to the south, where there are no border problems.

#11
housebound6:38 pm, 26 Jul 11

About 20 years ago, a map from the ACT Government found its way into the offices of a nearby LGA. Needless to say, the brown stuff hit the fan. The ACT Government was already very unpopular with its neighbours because of some rather unpleasant individuals (at a worker level rather than a politician level), and this discovery really stirred things up.

#12
JC8:28 pm, 26 Jul 11

Paul who said the ACT Government were looking at it. If you read the article, in the bit you have quoted it clearly says “Canberra developers. the Riverview Group. have approached the ACT Government and Yass Valley Council with a plan to build thousands of houses on agricultural land that straddles the ACT-NSW border just outside West Belconnen.”

Just because the government has been approached doesn’t mean it is looking at it or it is gonna happen any time soon. Sounds more like wishful thinking from the developers and maybe the owners of the land in NSW (I think the bit proposed near Macgregor/Dunlop is part of the Jaramlee estate) looking to make a quick buck.

#13
Gungahlin Al8:58 pm, 26 Jul 11

00davist said :

Gungahlin Al said :

I have said it before here, if I was despot, I’d shift the ACT borders out to Yass and Bungendore. Then we’d have the entire geographical, social, and economical catchment in the one municipality. And connected to the #1 highway.

Bingo – sustainable budget. Without needing massive population growth as pined after by Catherine Carter et al.

And for the people who live out of town to AVOID living in a city? (Thankfully even your plan would leave me out of the loop) There are alot of people who dont like living in lego land!

You’d live on unchanged except your rates would go to ACT instead of the local
council. And so would your taxes.

#14
2620watcher9:00 pm, 26 Jul 11

Gungahlin Al said :

I’d shift the ACT borders out to Yass and Bungendore. Then we’d have the entire geographical, social, and economical catchment in the one municipality.

I’d sure enjoy the price of ACT power as apparently the special NSW power costs about double. Not so sure I’d like my rego doubling in price.

However I’d love to sell my land (unimproved value $300k) in return for. 99yr lease (or whatever you get in ACT.

I’m sure by moving the border I would be a long way ahead financially by being in ACT.

#15
26049:38 pm, 26 Jul 11

Holden Caulfield said :

“Otherwise we have a repeat of Gungahlin.”

Erm, hasn’t the big G followed the path of Tuggeranong, Belconnen and Woden already? Why stop now?

Not sure about Tuggers, but I am pretty sure that there were office buildings in Belco and Woden before there was any shopping / housing and I think this is what the OP was referring to. IE that Gungahlin (and to a lesser extent Tuggers) is a dormitory community of commuters and that this new West Belco development could follow that path unless there is employment nearby.

#16
Rawhide Kid Part310:31 am, 27 Jul 11

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t all ACT land still belong to the Commonwealth? (hence the 99 year lease). And the current Legislative Assembly and local government are care takers so to speak? Also wouldn’t it take an act of Parliament both Federal and State to assume more land from New South Wales.? Not some council and developers.

#17
Chop7111:27 am, 27 Jul 11

Hope they fix the single lane on William Hovell Drive

#18
Thoroughly Smashed12:51 pm, 27 Jul 11

Chop71 said :

Hope they fix the single lane on William Hovell Drive

Is it damaged?

#19
EvanJames2:19 pm, 27 Jul 11

Most local councils are desperate for income, rates income especially, so I’m not sure how keen Yass Shire would be to lose that money. Since the stupid (stupid) aggregation exercise NSW government inflicted on NSW shires, many of them are struggling.

#20
Jivrashia3:43 pm, 27 Jul 11

Gungahlin Al said :

You’d live on unchanged except your rates would go to ACT instead of the local council. And so would your taxes.

+1
And the motor vehicle rego as well. In fact it might be cheaper to transfer vehicle over to ACT rego (it was for me).

#21
p14:28 pm, 27 Jul 11

Jivrashia said :

Gungahlin Al said :

You’d live on unchanged except your rates would go to ACT instead of the local council. And so would your taxes.

+1
And the motor vehicle rego as well. In fact it might be cheaper to transfer vehicle over to ACT rego (it was for me).

Not having to take a vehicle over the pits every single year is a saving in itself (safety of vehicles on our roads being a separate thing entirely).

#22
Chop714:51 pm, 27 Jul 11

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Chop71 said :

Hope they fix the single lane on William Hovell Drive

Is it damaged?

I would say going from 2 lanes to one lane and then back to 2 lanes is damaged….. yes, it causes a bottleneck that could be easily removed.

#23
gazket5:55 pm, 27 Jul 11

the CSIRO have like 50 acres right next to Evatt just sitting there growing weeds on it.

#24
00davist5:58 pm, 28 Jul 11

Gungahlin Al said :

00davist said :

Gungahlin Al said :

I have said it before here, if I was despot, I’d shift the ACT borders out to Yass and Bungendore. Then we’d have the entire geographical, social, and economical catchment in the one municipality. And connected to the #1 highway.

Bingo – sustainable budget. Without needing massive population growth as pined after by Catherine Carter et al.

And for the people who live out of town to AVOID living in a city? (Thankfully even your plan would leave me out of the loop) There are alot of people who dont like living in lego land!

You’d live on unchanged except your rates would go to ACT instead of the local
council. And so would your taxes.

For how long? Eventually the urban sprawl would hit us, move the boundary’s sure, but not that far out, bungendore & yass need some margin between them and canberra’s possibility’s.

#25
spinact6:45 pm, 28 Jul 11

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t all ACT land still belong to the Commonwealth? (hence the 99 year lease). And the current Legislative Assembly and local government are care takers so to speak? Also wouldn’t it take an act of Parliament both Federal and State to assume more land from New South Wales.? Not some council and developers.

That’s my understanding as well, all land in the ACT is owned by the Commonwealth.

gazket said :

the CSIRO have like 50 acres right next to Evatt just sitting there growing weeds on it.

Genetically modified weeds I’m sure

#26
farnarkler9:36 pm, 28 Jul 11

EvanJames this isn’t Mumbai or Lagos we’re talking about. If developers want the ACT border extended why shouldn’t they get their wish?

#27
alaninoz7:11 am, 29 Jul 11

farnarkler said :

EvanJames this isn’t Mumbai or Lagos we’re talking about. If developers want the ACT border extended why shouldn’t they get their wish?

Why should developers get their wish? Where’s the public benefit?

#28
EvanJames9:44 am, 29 Jul 11

farnarkler said :

EvanJames this isn’t Mumbai or Lagos we’re talking about. If developers want the ACT border extended why shouldn’t they get their wish?

You didn’t really understand what I wrote about population growth, did you?

#29
frankie7:47 pm, 25 Jun 13

Chop71 said :

Hope they fix the single lane on William Hovell Drive

Moreover, a bike path along Drake Brockman Drive, as well as replacing the footpath on Belconnen Way with a bitumen bike path, would be a really good start.

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