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ACTION – school kids in seats, the elderly left to stand

By 13 March 2009 73

I caught the No 5 from Griffith shops to town this afternoon and a little surpriseded to see 35 odd high school students from St Edmunds and St Clares with their arses parked in their seats while two rather elderly passengers  were forced to stand for the best part of 30 mins.

In contrast, I was offered a seat by a Narrabundah College student a few weeks ago, on the same route – my mates have been giving me heaps ever since (I’m 47 and had, prior to that occasion, still considered myself one to offer-up a seat rather than the other way around).

Guess that’s what a (relatively) expensive catholic education instills these days.  Perhaps the schools themselves can cast a little light on the subject!

Eddies says it is:

    “very proud of our rich traditions and sense of community that have been built upon by successive generations of students, staff and parents.”

St Clares on the other hand is rather chuffed to describe itself thus:

    “a Catholic school for girls located in the south Canberra suburb of Griffith. We are a Year 7 to 12 school where students are motivated and encouraged to develop to their full potential within the context of the Catholic Tradition.”

Whatever the schools claim to be doing; it isn’t working – well at least in the case of the two old dears on the No5.

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73 Responses to ACTION – school kids in seats, the elderly left to stand
#1
justbands8:51 am, 13 Mar 09

Haha..timely post considering this one…

http://the-riotact.com/?p=11176

..in which “Emlyn Ward” has claimed that public school kids are all scum & catholic school kids are the very picture of good community friendly behaviour. Of course Emlyn must be ignorant of examples such as this one of the opposite, or indeed of when Eddies suspended the entire student body for bad behaviour. Can’t be true though…’cause according to Emlyn, that could only ever happen at those godless public schools.

#2
LlamaFrog8:59 am, 13 Mar 09

Its the parents fault they should be dropping and picking up the kids. What self respecting private school kid catches a bus anyway?

#3
justbands9:02 am, 13 Mar 09

> Its the parents fault they should be dropping and picking up the kids. What self respecting private school kid catches a bus anyway?

Judging by the sheer number of them I see at bus stops on my way to work & also by the masses of buses at the catholic school near my office every morning/arvo…I’d say most self respecting private school kids catch the bus. Perhaps their parents can’t afford BMW’s (with the massive schools fees to pay), so the kids don’t want to be seen with them.

#4
old canberran9:17 am, 13 Mar 09

Don’t forget, our Eddies boys are in training as our future footballers. Not sure about the girls though.

#5
OzChick9:19 am, 13 Mar 09

I am finding that this is the norm lately. Radford kids are the same on the 300 series buses. They do not give up their seats to the elder people even though they get off earlier than everyone else at College Street. *sigh* They are usually too busy listening to their Ipods.

#6
justbands9:20 am, 13 Mar 09

> Don’t forget, our Eddies boys are in training as our future footballers. Not sure about the girls though.

Yes, that’s Rugby though (as opposed to rugby LEAGUE). Rugby is generally considered more of an educated gentlemans game.

#7
Jim Jones9:24 am, 13 Mar 09

With an increasingly aging population vying for fewer available seats during peak hour, I think that the solution is obvious: soilent green.

#8
jakez9:28 am, 13 Mar 09

justbands said :

> Don’t forget, our Eddies boys are in training as our future footballers. Not sure about the girls though.

Yes, that’s Rugby though (as opposed to rugby LEAGUE). Rugby is generally considered more of an educated gentlemans game.

Not when Eddies plays it.

I can easily see the above happening on a bus with any school students. Personally, I’m always unsure about offering my seat to a woman/older person. There’s something so potentially insulting about it. Fortunately it hasn’t come up in a very long time.

#9
misspris9:32 am, 13 Mar 09

It’s got nothing to do with schooling and everything to do with parenting. If I thought either of my kids (one is at Narrabundah College and one is at St Clare’s) left an adult standing while they sat they’d cop it. Simple.

#10
FC9:32 am, 13 Mar 09

Jim Jones said :

With an increasingly aging population vying for fewer available seats during peak hour, I think that the solution is obvious: soilent green.

bahaha! I’m with you there.
Before I say this I need to say the following disclaimer:
When I do catch buses I do offer older people my seat, although it is rarely necessary.

However, while I can see the point of this for frail elderly people, I don’t feel so oblidging to just generally old people. Just because your hair goes grey or white doesn’t make me want to give up my seat for you. (again I’m not talking about little old grannies here!)
I hate to say it, but part of me thinks that they can stand just like the rest of us. I am pretty sure this stems from being brought where old people are always right, just cos they are old, and we shouldn’t challenge them because we need to “respect our elders” blah blah blah. I’m so sick of hearing old people bitch an moan, that I have become age-ist.
all right. its out. I am age-ist.

#11
justbands9:33 am, 13 Mar 09

> Not when Eddies plays it.

Times must have changed. My older brother played for Eddies First 15 many years ago (& from there made the Australian Schoolboys team), he only went there for year 12..specifically to play Rugby. Appropriate behaviour at all times was very high on the agenda for the team back then.

#12
daddy9:36 am, 13 Mar 09

+1 to misspris. Kids spend only about 20% of their life at school therefore much has to do with the parents who should be paying more attention and not relying on the school to teach their children everything.

#13
Ruby Wednesday9:39 am, 13 Mar 09

I don’t know about Canberra, not having used the buses, but in Brisbane it was a condition of a student fare on public transport that you stand and offer your seat to any adult who was without one. It was also a separately enunciated rule in the school handbook, and one enforced by the prefects and the large number of old girls and parents who caught the train (in my experience as both a student and an old girl!).

#14
jakez9:43 am, 13 Mar 09

justbands said :

> Not when Eddies plays it.

Times must have changed. My older brother played for Eddies First 15 many years ago (& from there made the Australian Schoolboys team), he only went there for year 12..specifically to play Rugby. Appropriate behaviour at all times was very high on the agenda for the team back then.

It was more a quip than an actual fact based statement. I was more referring to their unstoppable dominance of all things. I choose to bask in this reflected glory by virtue that I went to that school.

It’s a weak link, but I’m clinging to it with dear life.

#15
frontrow9:44 am, 13 Mar 09

There is a schoolbus run that makes a pickup near my house. I frequently see parents dropping kids off at the bus stop in their cars. That is something I really don’t understand.

On topic – Some people are self absorbed and others are more considerate of others. I’ve never noticed a strong correlation between this and social status, wealth, education or anything else.

#16
A Noisy Noise Annoys9:46 am, 13 Mar 09

We should bring in a law saying that Catholics have to give up their seat for the rest of us.

#17
jakez9:46 am, 13 Mar 09

frontrow said :

There is a schoolbus run that makes a pickup near my house. I frequently see parents dropping kids off at the bus stop in their cars. That is something I really don’t understand.

On topic – Some people are self absorbed and others are more considerate of others. I’ve never noticed a strong correlation between this and social status, wealth, education or anything else.

Parents dropping kids off to the bus stop on their way to work? What’s not to understand about it.

Does owning a car preclude someone from catching a bus? Or is it the dropping them to the bus stop instead of having them walk aspect?

#18
justbands9:47 am, 13 Mar 09

> There is a schoolbus run that makes a pickup near my house. I frequently see parents dropping kids off at the bus stop in their cars. That is something I really don’t understand.

Fairly easy to understand that one (& I see it myself). School is one way, parents work is the other.

#19
captainwhorebags9:58 am, 13 Mar 09

We should bring in a law saying that Catholics have to give up their seat for the rest of us.

Come on ANNAOO, Jeebus already died for your sins, now you want his seat too?

#20
peterh10:10 am, 13 Mar 09

my granny would be appalled if she found out i didn’t give my seat up to a lady or an elderly person. and i am not a youngun any more….

It is the responsibility of the parents to teach the kids that they are raising about courtesy…

#21
SadMushroom10:17 am, 13 Mar 09

My children attended both Public and Catholic Schools and it has nothing to do with the schools. It has to do with the parents and how the child is raised..
Also can depend on the ‘aged’ person too.
I told my son (11yo) to offer his seat to an elderly lady who had gotten onto a bus from Woden. She smiled, said “thankyou” then sat her shopping bags on the seat and remained standing. Then when another lady got off the bus, the elderly lady sat there and left her shopping on the seat with my son still standing. (I wonder if she went to a Catholic School or not?)

#22
Furry Jesus10:26 am, 13 Mar 09

captainwhorebags said :

We should bring in a law saying that Catholics have to give up their seat for the rest of us.

Come on ANNAOO, Jeebus already died for your sins, now you want his seat too?

My well-known ancestor died a victim of Roman imperialism. Anything else is just Roman propaganda. He certainly didn’t die so Catholic schoolchildren could feel entitled to seats on public transport.

Why aren’t the bus drivers responsible for speaking to the students? They used to be quite good at it back in Adelaide.

#23
lava10:31 am, 13 Mar 09

YYY, your comment reminds me of my Dad getting yelled at by another driver and being called a ‘silly old man’ – he was more upset about being considered old than being yelled at. Now that I’m getting older, I understand his pain!

Back on topic, in Victoria it was (still is?) a rule for any concession card holder to give up their seat to any full fare paying passenger, which was usually just interpreted as kids giving up seats to adults.

However, if you were ‘smart’ you would just totally engross yourself in your newspaper/book or turn your iPod up to 11 and you could enjoy your seat without guilt regardless of how many elderly persons or pregnant women were standing near you!

#24
peterh11:05 am, 13 Mar 09

oh, really smart. and no guilt, hmmm? what a dumb thing to do.

#25
BerraBoy6811:23 am, 13 Mar 09

As a Marist student in the 80′s who had to catch 8 buses a day to get to and from school (later reduced to 6 bussed a day when the express 333 came in) I can state that we were always required to stand up if an adult (not just an elderly person) had no seat.

Bus drivers would enforce this at their leisure, which in my experience they almost always did.

As for parent vs teachers educating our kids in manners etc. they both should be involved. Parent must take the lead which then must be reinforced at the school. My kids arebeing taught their manners on a daily basis.

I see the curent lack of considertion shown by the students mentioned in the OP as being just another step down on ladder of general regard for others.

But then again, when teenage girls feel required to swear and scream on buses as I frequently see, and often in front of clearly offended elderly passengers, and the driver does nothing, why shoulod we expect them to just offer up a seat?

#26
chewy1411:32 am, 13 Mar 09

Wow,
kids not giving up their seats for adults, Its the end-days i tells ya.

and i saw a public school kid smoking in Woden yesterday, those public school kids have no morals.

#27
ant11:36 am, 13 Mar 09

What a bunch of rude little scumbags, and shame on their parents AND schools for not teaching them the basic manners. They can paint up those schools as being “private and exclusive” all they like, but I reckon they’re still the povo try-hard schools for football ruffians and catholic wives and mothers in training that they always were.

Although a year back I offered my seat on a bus to an older lady, and she pretty much laughed at me. Well i don’t feel middle aged! I’m sure she looked older than me. humf.

#28
Qbn Gal12:03 pm, 13 Mar 09

It really has nothing to do with Catholic/non-catholic, private/public. It’s simply lack of courtesy and respect. And the parents should be teaching these values, not the schools who already have enough to do teaching academic subjects without teaching the things that parents should be instilling in their little darlings. Ths schools are a great target for this type of criticism simply because we can identify where the kids comes from, at least for about 7 hours of the day.

#29
Furry Jesus12:16 pm, 13 Mar 09

When the aging-population crunch comes, and baby boomers on public transport really outnumber the students, there will be blood. Walking frames with concealed guns, canes with hidden stilettos, false teeth with cyanide gas capsules, law suits, enraged letters to the editor of the CT. The coming battle for bus seats will become the stuff of legend…General Val Jeffries will lead us to freedom…

#30
G-Fresh12:18 pm, 13 Mar 09

Why didn’t you do something about it yourself YapYapYapper?

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