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Amnesty International letter-writing

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25 March 2014 1:00 pmto2 April 2014 1:00 pm

If you are passionate about human rights and have limited time or if you are simply looking to get involved, come and join us for some tea, coffee and letter writing.

This group will draft and sign letters to support Amnesty international’s campaigns and give you a chance to make a real difference in the lives of people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death.

When: Drop by any time between 5–6 pm Wednesday, 2nd of April 2014

Where: Amnesty International Canberra action centre Lower Ground Floor, 33-35 Ainslie Place, Canberra City ACT 2600

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47 Responses to Amnesty International letter-writing
#1
Stormfront1:03 pm, 26 Mar 14

What? Funding must have been slashed? No $$$$ for rent-a crowd, instead buying them with sandwiches and instant coffee/tea bags?
Call it “letter writing support group in exchange for food” group. All Greens/Labor supporters are welcome. Buses can be arranged to pick you up from nursing homes/hospice.

#2
dungfungus7:45 am, 27 Mar 14

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

#3
justin heywood11:32 am, 27 Mar 14

Stormfront said :

What? Funding must have been slashed? No $$$$ for rent-a crowd, instead buying them with sandwiches and instant coffee/tea bags?
Call it “letter writing support group in exchange for food” group. All Greens/Labor supporters are welcome. Buses can be arranged to pick you up from nursing homes/hospice.

Now that’s just ignorant Stormfront.

Spend 10 seconds at their website and tell me Amnesty doesn’t do good work.

#4
Storm12:45 pm, 27 Mar 14

justin heywood said :

Now that’s just ignorant Stormfront.

Spend 10 seconds at their website and tell me Amnesty doesn’t do good work.

They do, I didn’t say that they didn’t, but, I see this ad similar to “cash for comments”, but on lower scale. Happy to be corrected.
Oh, and they used to defend Chechen terrorists, back in 2004-2006, labelling them as “freedom fighters”.

#5
bigfeet1:02 pm, 27 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

#6
Spiral1:43 pm, 27 Mar 14

I asked them a few years ago if they were going to take a stand against the reintroduction of corporal punishment into Australia while the movement is still small, but they never seem to be interested. For some reason they seem to care a lot about corporal punishment in other countries, but not here. I thought was quite hypocritical.

#7
dungfungus7:00 pm, 27 Mar 14

Spiral said :

I asked them a few years ago if they were going to take a stand against the reintroduction of corporal punishment into Australia while the movement is still small, but they never seem to be interested. For some reason they seem to care a lot about corporal punishment in other countries, but not here. I thought was quite hypocritical.

At Fyshwick, some people pay for corporal punishment to be inflicted.

#8
Pork Hunt8:29 pm, 27 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Spiral said :

I asked them a few years ago if they were going to take a stand against the reintroduction of corporal punishment into Australia while the movement is still small, but they never seem to be interested. For some reason they seem to care a lot about corporal punishment in other countries, but not here. I thought was quite hypocritical.

At Fyshwick, some people pay for corporal punishment to be inflicted.

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category…

#9
dungfungus8:44 pm, 27 Mar 14

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

#10
Spiral6:45 am, 28 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Spiral said :

I asked them a few years ago if they were going to take a stand against the reintroduction of corporal punishment into Australia while the movement is still small, but they never seem to be interested. For some reason they seem to care a lot about corporal punishment in other countries, but not here. I thought was quite hypocritical.

At Fyshwick, some people pay for corporal punishment to be inflicted.

But they aren’t pushing for it become part of Australia’s legal system. There are groups who are pushing for that and I believe AI should be speaking out against it now while it is early days and before there is much support for it. If anything, when I have spoken to AI people they have seemed to be in favour of its partial reintroduction, something I found really strange.

#11
howeph8:53 am, 28 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

Ranjini and her baby boy c/o Villawood detention centre (plus another 50 others in the same situation).

http://migrationalliance.com.au/news/asio-says-no-to-immigration-visa-for-new-mother.html

#12
dungfungus9:10 am, 28 Mar 14

Pork Hunt said :

dungfungus said :

Spiral said :

I asked them a few years ago if they were going to take a stand against the reintroduction of corporal punishment into Australia while the movement is still small, but they never seem to be interested. For some reason they seem to care a lot about corporal punishment in other countries, but not here. I thought was quite hypocritical.

At Fyshwick, some people pay for corporal punishment to be inflicted.

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category…

I did qualify my claim with “some people” unlike bigfeet in post #5 who said “all people”.
I’ll tell you what though, I will supply you two names and addresses if bigfeet supplies all names and addresses. Can’t be fairer than that can I?

#13
bigfeet9:14 am, 28 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Surely you acknowledge that there are groups of people around the world who are persecuted for their ethnicity, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs or sexuality don’t you?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

#14
Stevian10:29 am, 28 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Why are you so keen on getting their addresses? Paying them a little visit with a petrol bomb (don’t pretend that’s not what you want to do) is not a smart idea.

#15
IrishPete11:58 am, 28 Mar 14

Storm said :

justin heywood said :

Now that’s just ignorant Stormfront.

Spend 10 seconds at their website and tell me Amnesty doesn’t do good work.

They do, I didn’t say that they didn’t, but, I see this ad similar to “cash for comments”, but on lower scale. Happy to be corrected.
Oh, and they used to defend Chechen terrorists, back in 2004-2006, labelling them as “freedom fighters”.

Margaret Thatcher called Nelson Mandela a terrorist. What was your point again?

IP

#16
Walker11:45 pm, 28 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Knowing you as we have here, I think it’s fair to suggest that if we did supply you with those scientists’ full identity, it would still not change your mind. That’s not quite how you roll.

And while we’re straying off topic, to ask again, if you will indulge, the question I had on another thread, on ocean acidification… it was interesting to me but nobody took to it. Ah well. But if you (or indeed anyone else) wanted to, I would find that interesting. Care to comment on it?

#17
dungfungus10:09 am, 29 Mar 14

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Surely you acknowledge that there are groups of people around the world who are persecuted for their ethnicity, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs or sexuality don’t you?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Yeah, Peter Greste, celebrity white journalist, who stupidly went to Cairo voluntarily certainly fills the bill to be rescued by Amnesty International.

#18
dungfungus10:15 am, 29 Mar 14

howeph said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

Ranjini and her baby boy c/o Villawood detention centre (plus another 50 others in the same situation).

http://migrationalliance.com.au/news/asio-says-no-to-immigration-visa-for-new-mother.html

Given ASIO’s ruling, I am comfortable with that.
Just because these people turn up in Australia with a presumption they will be welcomed and allowed to stay is not a human rights issue.
If there are risks identified by ASIO then the human rights of all Australian citizens is a priority.

#19
dungfungus1:52 pm, 29 Mar 14

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Surely you acknowledge that there are groups of people around the world who are persecuted for their ethnicity, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs or sexuality don’t you?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a regular news briefing in 2013: “China is a country with rule of law, and all are equal before the law. Nobody can be above the law. Liu Xiaobo and Xu Zhiyong are Chinese citizens who broke the law and have naturally been punished according to Chinese law.”

There is nothing more to say. Another self inflicted imprisonment.

PS I think his name is Liu, not Lou.

#20
dungfungus3:00 pm, 29 Mar 14

Stevian said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Why are you so keen on getting their addresses? Paying them a little visit with a petrol bomb (don’t pretend that’s not what you want to do) is not a smart idea.

Hmmmm. Name is Stevian, knows about petrol bombs and how to use them. I think you should be on passport watch.

#21
bigfeet3:28 pm, 29 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”.

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

PS I think his name is Liu, not Lou.

Auto-spell check on my phone… I didn’t realise I had a racist phone and will immediately throw it away.

So, according to you, no-one, anywhere at all in the world is subject to persecution?

If not, then fine, obviously the world is a perfect place according to you. I’m happy for you.

If they are, then what is your issue with people trying to help them? No you of course…I realise that is probably too much to ask for you to actually care about someone other than yourself…particularly a foreigner…but if other people want to help what exactly is your problem with that?

And I ask you again, surely it is better to help end people’s persecution in their country of origin? If that are not being persecuted in their own country, they are less likely to come here and take your bacon double cheeseburger off you, or whatever your bigotry thinks that immigrants are going to do to you.

#22
dungfungus5:58 pm, 29 Mar 14

Walker said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Knowing you as we have here, I think it’s fair to suggest that if we did supply you with those scientists’ full identity, it would still not change your mind. That’s not quite how you roll.

And while we’re straying off topic, to ask again, if you will indulge, the question I had on another thread, on ocean acidification… it was interesting to me but nobody took to it. Ah well. But if you (or indeed anyone else) wanted to, I would find that interesting. Care to comment on it?

I don’t recall getting acid burns last time I went for a swim so what is the panic about?

#23
Nylex_Clock7:53 pm, 29 Mar 14

IrishPete said :

Storm said :

justin heywood said :

Now that’s just ignorant Stormfront.

Spend 10 seconds at their website and tell me Amnesty doesn’t do good work.

They do, I didn’t say that they didn’t, but, I see this ad similar to “cash for comments”, but on lower scale. Happy to be corrected.
Oh, and they used to defend Chechen terrorists, back in 2004-2006, labelling them as “freedom fighters”.

Margaret Thatcher called Nelson Mandela a terrorist. What was your point again?

IP

Mandela was inarguably a terrorist.

It’s easy to sit here thousands of kilometres away from the action and indulge in woolly-headed rose-tinted fantasies about how wonderful , say, Stalin is, but the reality is usually very different from the group-think that prevails among the leftist uni-academics who brainwash the undergraduates into elevating wishful-thinking above rational thought.

#24
Queen_of_the_Bun8:11 pm, 29 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Surely you acknowledge that there are groups of people around the world who are persecuted for their ethnicity, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs or sexuality don’t you?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Yeah, Peter Greste, celebrity white journalist, who stupidly went to Cairo voluntarily certainly fills the bill to be rescued by Amnesty International.

This is one of your stupidest comments ever. Had you ever heard of Peter Greste before he was arrested? I doubt it, because he is a very well respected foreign correspondent and certainly not a “celebrity journalist”. I am leaving out your idiotic reference to him being white, although it surprises me because I thought you were all for the white man.

Peter Greste went to Egypt voluntarily, certainly. He was filling in for three weeks for a colleague at al-Jazeera who was taking leave over Christmas. Damn those infidel bastards at al-Jazeera. It was his misfortune to be arrested while there and he now faces a dismal future – and no evidence has yet been given in his case to show why he was arrested.

I cannot believe that you are so blinded by your feelings about Islam that you support the jailing of an innocent Australian by an Islamic regime that has just condemned 500 people to death for the crime of supporting the ousted president. I think you are very confused about Egyptian politics if you think the current regime is pro-Christian just because they got rid of the democratically election Muslim Brotherhood.

I went to university in Brisbane with Peter Greste. He went to the secular Indooroopilly High. All he was doing in Egypt was his job.

If he has become a “celebrity”, it is not by his choice. You, Sir Dungfungus, are a total tool by your choice.

#25
dungfungus8:36 pm, 29 Mar 14

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Surely you acknowledge that there are groups of people around the world who are persecuted for their ethnicity, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs or sexuality don’t you?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Yeah, Peter Greste, celebrity white journalist, who stupidly went to Cairo voluntarily certainly fills the bill to be rescued by Amnesty International.

This is one of your stupidest comments ever. Had you ever heard of Peter Greste before he was arrested? I doubt it, because he is a very well respected foreign correspondent and certainly not a “celebrity journalist”. I am leaving out your idiotic reference to him being white, although it surprises me because I thought you were all for the white man.

Peter Greste went to Egypt voluntarily, certainly. He was filling in for three weeks for a colleague at al-Jazeera who was taking leave over Christmas. Damn those infidel bastards at al-Jazeera. It was his misfortune to be arrested while there and he now faces a dismal future – and no evidence has yet been given in his case to show why he was arrested.

I cannot believe that you are so blinded by your feelings about Islam that you support the jailing of an innocent Australian by an Islamic regime that has just condemned 500 people to death for the crime of supporting the ousted president. I think you are very confused about Egyptian politics if you think the current regime is pro-Christian just because they got rid of the democratically election Muslim Brotherhood.

I went to university in Brisbane with Peter Greste. He went to the secular Indooroopilly High. All he was doing in Egypt was his job.

If he has become a “celebrity”, it is not by his choice. You, Sir Dungfungus, are a total tool by your choice.

I think your personal friendship with Peter Greste is clouding the issue which has nothing to do with Islam as far as I am concerned. I am aware of the situation in Egypt and I fear for the future of the Copts. I can see the military regime blaming the Copts for all Egypts problems. Not the first time that strategy has been used to “unify” a divided nation. It will be interesting to see which countries take all the refugees.
While you agree that he went to Egypt voluntarily you then somehow say al-Jezeera set him up.
So, getting back to the crux of the issue, please tell me why Amnesty International should help him?

#26
dungfungus8:38 pm, 29 Mar 14

Nylex_Clock said :

IrishPete said :

Storm said :

justin heywood said :

Now that’s just ignorant Stormfront.

Spend 10 seconds at their website and tell me Amnesty doesn’t do good work.

They do, I didn’t say that they didn’t, but, I see this ad similar to “cash for comments”, but on lower scale. Happy to be corrected.
Oh, and they used to defend Chechen terrorists, back in 2004-2006, labelling them as “freedom fighters”.

Margaret Thatcher called Nelson Mandela a terrorist. What was your point again?

IP

Mandela was inarguably a terrorist.

It’s easy to sit here thousands of kilometres away from the action and indulge in woolly-headed rose-tinted fantasies about how wonderful , say, Stalin is, but the reality is usually very different from the group-think that prevails among the leftist uni-academics who brainwash the undergraduates into elevating wishful-thinking above rational thought.

That’s too deep for me to comment on.

#27
dungfungus9:26 pm, 29 Mar 14

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Surely you acknowledge that there are groups of people around the world who are persecuted for their ethnicity, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs or sexuality don’t you?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Yeah, Peter Greste, celebrity white journalist, who stupidly went to Cairo voluntarily certainly fills the bill to be rescued by Amnesty International.

This is one of your stupidest comments ever. Had you ever heard of Peter Greste before he was arrested? I doubt it, because he is a very well respected foreign correspondent and certainly not a “celebrity journalist”. I am leaving out your idiotic reference to him being white, although it surprises me because I thought you were all for the white man.

Peter Greste went to Egypt voluntarily, certainly. He was filling in for three weeks for a colleague at al-Jazeera who was taking leave over Christmas. Damn those infidel bastards at al-Jazeera. It was his misfortune to be arrested while there and he now faces a dismal future – and no evidence has yet been given in his case to show why he was arrested.

I cannot believe that you are so blinded by your feelings about Islam that you support the jailing of an innocent Australian by an Islamic regime that has just condemned 500 people to death for the crime of supporting the ousted president. I think you are very confused about Egyptian politics if you think the current regime is pro-Christian just because they got rid of the democratically election Muslim Brotherhood.

I went to university in Brisbane with Peter Greste. He went to the secular Indooroopilly High. All he was doing in Egypt was his job.

If he has become a “celebrity”, it is not by his choice. You, Sir Dungfungus, are a total tool by your choice.

He is described as “an English personality” on Wikipedia. Hardly an unknown journalist and certainly a celebrity now. He will probably be released thanks to the intervention of our Prime Minister and won’t that be causing some teeth gnashing with the left.
I’ll bet that within 12 months he has written a book about it which will be relentlessly promoted for free on BBC and ABC after he features on Australian Story and One on One ad nauseum.
I love being your favourite tool.

#28
bigfeet11:18 pm, 29 Mar 14

Nylex_Clock said :

Mandela was inarguably a terrorist.

It’s easy to sit here thousands of kilometres away from the action and indulge in woolly-headed rose-tinted fantasies about how wonderful , say, Stalin is, but the reality is usually very different from the group-think that prevails among the leftist uni-academics who brainwash the undergraduates into elevating wishful-thinking above rational thought.

Mandela was fighting against an unjust and abhorrent system and whilst there is no evidence that he actually carried out an attack, it does not excuse the fact that he definitely planned or sanctioned attacks against ‘soft’ civilian targets such as railway stations and power plants. By any definition he was most definitely a terrorist.

But he also was punished for that with a lengthy period of hard imprisonment and came out with a different view. He could have gained power and sought vengeance, but he instead decided to try and heal his nation. His establishment of the Truth and Reconcilliation Commission in South Africa is an incredible example of that.

On your other point, I doubt you will find any ‘leftist’ who extols the virtues of Stalin.

#29
someone12:33 pm, 30 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Given ASIO’s ruling, I am comfortable with that.
Just because these people turn up in Australia with a presumption they will be welcomed and allowed to stay is not a human rights issue.
If there are risks identified by ASIO then the human rights of all Australian citizens is a priority.

Actually, it’s not just “a presumption”.

Australian law says that they can stay if they’re refugees. Yes, it says subject to security clearance.

But let’s be clear.

Genuine asylum seekers, as we’re discussing here, aren’t turning up because they “presume” they can stay. They’re turning up because *we stay they can stay*. I mean, if we want to withdraw from the Refugee Convention and rewrite the Migration Act, then sure…. Given our laws say genuine refugees will be allowed to stay, heck. Any presumption seems to be entirely reasonable, no? reasonable, and grounded in Australian law.

I’m also confused how the human rights of any Australian citizen’s might be threatened – particularly given no one gets to see the ASIO reports. You have no idea what the basis of her being refused clearance is. I’m also profoundly confused how her child might threaten the human rights of all Australian citizens.

#30
Queen_of_the_Bun2:47 pm, 30 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Surely you acknowledge that there are groups of people around the world who are persecuted for their ethnicity, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs or sexuality don’t you?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Yeah, Peter Greste, celebrity white journalist, who stupidly went to Cairo voluntarily certainly fills the bill to be rescued by Amnesty International.

This is one of your stupidest comments ever. Had you ever heard of Peter Greste before he was arrested? I doubt it, because he is a very well respected foreign correspondent and certainly not a “celebrity journalist”. I am leaving out your idiotic reference to him being white, although it surprises me because I thought you were all for the white man.

Peter Greste went to Egypt voluntarily, certainly. He was filling in for three weeks for a colleague at al-Jazeera who was taking leave over Christmas. Damn those infidel bastards at al-Jazeera. It was his misfortune to be arrested while there and he now faces a dismal future – and no evidence has yet been given in his case to show why he was arrested.

I cannot believe that you are so blinded by your feelings about Islam that you support the jailing of an innocent Australian by an Islamic regime that has just condemned 500 people to death for the crime of supporting the ousted president. I think you are very confused about Egyptian politics if you think the current regime is pro-Christian just because they got rid of the democratically election Muslim Brotherhood.

I went to university in Brisbane with Peter Greste. He went to the secular Indooroopilly High. All he was doing in Egypt was his job.

If he has become a “celebrity”, it is not by his choice. You, Sir Dungfungus, are a total tool by your choice.

He is described as “an English personality” on Wikipedia. Hardly an unknown journalist and certainly a celebrity now. He will probably be released thanks to the intervention of our Prime Minister and won’t that be causing some teeth gnashing with the left.
I’ll bet that within 12 months he has written a book about it which will be relentlessly promoted for free on BBC and ABC after he features on Australian Story and One on One ad nauseum.
I love being your favourite tool.

It took you two bites of the cherry to respond, showing your lack of comprehension skills.

My comment about al-Jazeera being infidels for giving their journalists Christmas holidays was satire, not a claim they were setting Peter Greste up. I apologise for making comments that are clearly beyond your comprehension skills.

Wikipedia at any time has a mass of incorrect information on it. Eg last week David Flint was the father of 14 illegitimate children, according to his Wikipedia entry.

Why should Amnesty try to help him? Because he is a political prisoner. That’s what Amnesty does. Why is he a political prisoner? Perhaps because he was attempting to show the oppression of the Christians in Egypt.

Please supply some information on how this Islamic Egyptian regime is better for the Copts than the Islamic regime that was overthrown.

And don’t flatter yourself that you are my favourite tool. I prefer useful tools.

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