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Anyone care about the public servants losing their jobs?

By mot - 16 May 2014 40

There is so much media coverage around the sacking of pilots or car factory workers or pensioners, what about those 16,000 people (many will have to go by Oct this year). These are people with families, people who need to pay for kids’ tuition fees, their medical bills, and morgage.., etc. Look at newspapers, Tvs, no one mentions them much, as if  public servants are a different species!!!

 

 

 

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Anyone care about the public servants losing their jobs?
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justsomeaussie 8:11 am
16 May 14
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Largely the public doesn’t care because it knows how much fat and waste come from within the public service. Why should your job be protected over a worker at a store that has to downsize? In essence you are taking money from the store work’s tax pocket for your pay.

Want to improve efficiency in the public service? How about start by making people accountable for their jobs. Don’t perform? Then you are out on your ear like any other job. The inability for the APS to sack underperforming staff is appalling and it breeds inefficiency.

The second thing you can do is to block the internet access as many of you are now on work time reading a non work related website.

Get back to work!

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Jivrashia 11:02 am
16 May 14
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justsomeaussie said :

The second thing you can do is to block the internet access as many of you are now on work time reading a non work related website.

I’m writing a document, and need some time in between to rest my brain, by reading things that don’t really challenge my intellect. 😛

As for the impact of 16,000 APS jobs going, well as a Canberran one would definitely feel it, because all these people will then be applying for the already few jobs available. And the sudden boost in the unemployment rate in Canberra will affecting retail stores around here, as they will have lesser patronage.

Canberra has been having a good time for the last few years, but now is the time to brace yourself for the chill.

morgage
Just reminded me of this ANZ ad…
“That is incorrect!”

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VYBerlinaV8_is_back 11:13 am
16 May 14
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Anyone know how many of these cuts will be for Canberra-based staff? At least 50%, I’d guess.

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HiddenDragon 11:56 am
16 May 14
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To the extent that redundancies truly are voluntary, the effect on individuals and their families should be less severe. That said, I do feel sorry for people who moved to Canberra in the last few years specifically to take up a PS job which is now being chopped – particularly if they bought into the Canberra property market and may now be stranded with very limited employment prospects, and, possibly, a mortgage larger than the true market value of their home.

As others have pointed out on similar threads in the past, the cuts started under Labor – having presumably decided that thousands of the jobs which were hitherto necessary and affordable were no longer so – and are now being accelerated under the Coalition. This “concertina” approach to the expansion and contraction of the Canberra component of the federal PS really is pretty stupid and wasteful.

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Rollersk8r 12:17 pm
16 May 14
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justsomeaussie said :

Largely the public doesn’t care because everyone is an expert on just how much fat and waste come from within the public service, compared to absolutely zero waste in all other enterprises.

Fixed that for you.

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justsomeaussie 12:58 pm
16 May 14
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Rollersk8r said :

justsomeaussie said :

Largely the public doesn’t care because everyone is an expert on just how much fat and waste come from within the public service, compared to absolutely zero waste in all other enterprises.

Fixed that for you.

Yep, it’s this type of thinking (that there is no problem) is exactly why the public servace has a bad name.

I’ll ask you this, when was the last person you heard of who was fired for million dollar failure? Does anyone even admit to failure in the public service? Or can they not fail because every expensive single choice is outsourced to consultants because management is so risk adverse.

Meanwhile in the real world for the vast majority of us, if we screwed up a project and cost the company tens of thousands, we’d be out on our ear.

How about one day, departments take responsibilty for their staff’s actions and say yep, this person is hopeless they’ll be gone within a week.

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Rollersk8r 2:41 pm
16 May 14
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justsomeaussie said :

Rollersk8r said :

justsomeaussie said :

Largely the public doesn’t care because everyone is an expert on just how much fat and waste come from within the public service, compared to absolutely zero waste in all other enterprises.

Fixed that for you.

Yep, it’s this type of thinking (that there is no problem) is exactly why the public servace has a bad name.

I’ll ask you this, when was the last person you heard of who was fired for million dollar failure? Does anyone even admit to failure in the public service? Or can they not fail because every expensive single choice is outsourced to consultants because management is so risk adverse.

Meanwhile in the real world for the vast majority of us, if we screwed up a project and cost the company tens of thousands, we’d be out on our ear.

How about one day, departments take responsibilty for their staff’s actions and say yep, this person is hopeless they’ll be gone within a week.

Generalise much? Because this one time I saw a group of roadworkers smoking and standing around. Sack the lot! We don’t need roads!

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justsomeaussie 3:46 pm
16 May 14
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Rollersk8r said :

Generalise much? Because this one time I saw a group of roadworkers smoking and standing around. Sack the lot! We don’t need roads!

Well ok, when was the last time someone was sacked for blowing millions?

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dtc 4:08 pm
16 May 14
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justsomeaussie said :

Rollersk8r said :

Generalise much? Because this one time I saw a group of roadworkers smoking and standing around. Sack the lot! We don’t need roads!

Well ok, when was the last time someone was sacked for blowing millions?

What do you mean ‘blowing millions’?

Do you mean ‘spending money on things you dont think money should be spent on’?

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JessicaGlitter 4:52 pm
16 May 14
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Coming from a small business POV, I can’t emphasise enough how important it is for the Canberra community that the entire town feel confident and safe in their jobs. The 50% public servants are all going to stress at any talk of reducing the size of the service and the other 50% look at their cash registers or invoice statements and say we have less money because the community isn’t spending.

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justsomeaussie 5:24 pm
16 May 14
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dtc said :

Do you mean ‘spending money on things you dont think money should be spent on’?

I mean tens to hundred million dollar project failures across ATO, Immigration, Defence just to name a few. Projects that haven’t delivered anything tangible and that are just pushed under the carpet so next year the department can get more money.

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dungfungus 5:34 pm
16 May 14
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HiddenDragon said :

To the extent that redundancies truly are voluntary, the effect on individuals and their families should be less severe. That said, I do feel sorry for people who moved to Canberra in the last few years specifically to take up a PS job which is now being chopped – particularly if they bought into the Canberra property market and may now be stranded with very limited employment prospects, and, possibly, a mortgage larger than the true market value of their home.

As others have pointed out on similar threads in the past, the cuts started under Labor – having presumably decided that thousands of the jobs which were hitherto necessary and affordable were no longer so – and are now being accelerated under the Coalition. This “concertina” approach to the expansion and contraction of the Canberra component of the federal PS really is pretty stupid and wasteful.

I moved to Canberra over 30 years ago because it was one of few regions in Australia where there were jobs available in the private sector. I was then “offered a transfer” overseas which I declined so I was made redundant and I couldn’t get an interview anywhere. I was so desparate I even tried the PS who stated in the ad that they were seeking people with experience in the private sector. It became apparent during the interview that the selection committee didn’t have a clue what transpired in the outside world and when I said I wouldn’t hesitate to sack anyone who wasn’t performing the interview stopped abruptly as some of the people on the panel were traumatized. I didn’t get invited for a further interview and I ended up self-employed.
No regrets and no, I don’t care about public servants losing their jobs.

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Earl 10:56 pm
16 May 14
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You know what’s worse than public servants? People who are so full of themselves they think they’re better than any pube just because they work in private industry / work for themselves. Fair enough to point out inefficiencies and ineffectiveness, but why the hatred for people who just happen to be employed by the government? Don’t understand it – and yes I have worked in private, public and for myself.

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JC 11:52 pm
16 May 14
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justsomeaussie said :

Largely the public doesn’t care because it knows how much fat and waste come from within the public service. Why should your job be protected over a worker at a store that has to downsize? In essence you are taking money from the store work’s tax pocket for your pay.

Not a good analogy this one. Without the public service job there would be no money to spend, which would mean there is no demand for goods from the store, which would mean there is no money to pay this worker, who in turn wouldn’t have a job and rather than paying tax would also be putting their hand out for the dole. You do the sums.

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wildturkeycanoe 7:51 am
17 May 14
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I care deeply for the public servants who are being sacked. Every one of them is going to get in the way of me finding a job, adding more competition to a job marketplace that is cut-throat already. If these public servants have to sell up and move into rental accommodation, that’s making things tougher for other potential tenants and no doubt the influx of applicants will drive the prices up too. These folks won’t be buying as much either, so suppliers of goods in Canberra will see a downturn, perhaps lay off staff because things get quiet and add even more pressure to the whole scenario. Where is the government’s job creation to soften the blow from these cuts?? If it’s light rail, it will be far too late to help out people this year, or next.

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