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Athllon drive pervasive surveillance kicks off

By johnboy - 31 August 2013 18

Simon Corbell is announcing he’ll be watching you down Athllon Drive:

The ACT’s second point to point road safety camera system at Athllon Drive will start operating from Friday, 6 September 2013, Attorney-General, Simon Corbell announced today.

“The Athllon Drive point to point cameras will operate in both directions, between Beasley Street in Mawson and Drakeford Drive in Tuggeranong,” Mr Corbell said.

“Curbing speeding on our roads is critical, as national crash statistics identify speeding as a major factor in around 30% of fatal crashes.”

The installation of the Athllon Drive point to point camera system follows the installation of a point to point camera on Hindmarsh Drive in February 2012.

The camera sites were chosen based on a Forward Design Study and advice from an independent engineering consultant, who applied a 50:50 weighting of safety and traffic factors. This takes into account the need to influence the driving behaviour of a large number of motorists, while also reducing the potential for crashes at locations which have historically experienced higher numbers of crashes.

“ACT crash data shows there were 568 crashes on the Athllon Drive corridor from Beasley Street to Drakeford Drive, including crashes at the intersections with those roads, between 2008 and 2012,” Mr Corbell said.

“This included 40 crashes where people were injured.”

During testing of the Athllon Drive point to point cameras, cars were detected at average speeds of 103km/h southbound and 116km/h northbound, despite the presence of roundabouts.

“As these are average speeds, those vehicles would have been travelling at speeds well above that at various points between the two camera detection points,” Mr Corbell said.

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18 Responses to
Athllon drive pervasive surveillance kicks off
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bundah 9:55 am
31 Aug 13
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During testing of the Athllon Drive point to point cameras, cars were detected at average speeds of 103km/h southbound and 116km/h northbound, despite the presence of roundabouts.

Which tells me that they were in a real hurry to get out of Tuggers, can’t say I blame ’em..

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HiddenDragon 11:08 am
31 Aug 13
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Wouldn’t it be nice if a similar state of the art, high tech, “you are being watched at all times” approach could be brought to bear to keep our elected and unelected officials accountable for their actions and inactions – no fudging, no wriggle room, no plausible deniability, no changing the subject, no arguing that everyone else does it, too. Dream on…..

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Felix the Cat 7:19 am
11 Sep 13
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James-T-Kirk 11:46 am
03 Nov 16
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And here we are just 3 years later and ALL TRACES of the cameras have been removed…. as though nothing was ever there.

Looks like the cameras weren’t raking in the millions they expected….

Does anybody know the actual story?

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bj_ACT 4:37 pm
03 Nov 16
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James-T-Kirk said :

And here we are just 3 years later and ALL TRACES of the cameras have been removed….

as though nothing was ever there.

Looks like the cameras weren’t raking in the millions they expected….

Does anybody know the actual story?

Not enough people were caught by the camera to make it profitable. The disastrous design where half the traffic on Athllon Dr were not covered by the speed distance camera was ‘unsurprisingly’ unsuccessful.

I don’t know where the camera’s are now going, but I heard there was a Ministerial push (against expert advice) to move the cameras to the Tuggeranong Parkway. Starting at Drakeford/Sulwood and ending just before the Arboretum.

Imagine how bad the Tuggeranong parkway would be mixing traffic that started from Drakeford resolutely sticking to around 95kmh with other traffic that entered from Hindmarsh and Cotter road who are not affected by the distance speed camera. Crazy stuff if the Minister gets her way. Is it still Meegan Fitzharris? I think there might have been a split in responsibilities since the election.

It has been noted in the past that the Ministers don’t put these distance camera’s in their own Electoral backyard or on the drive between their home and workplace.

It’s bad enough on Hindmarsh Drive going over Red Hill when a BMW that get’s to turn off early before the second speed camera at Mugga Way burns up the road at 110km past everyone else doing about 75kmh.

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dungfungus 8:50 pm
03 Nov 16
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Yeah, anyone who got a ticket in the mail for speeding in those sections should keep it – they will become valuable as collectors’ items, being so rare.

We should not get a false sense of security however as the mobile vans will now be there to avenge the ex-minister’s failure.

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wildturkeycanoe 6:32 am
04 Nov 16
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If placed on the Parkway, can the speed cameras also please be used to identify and fine cars that sit in the right hand lane and do ten to fifteen kilometers per hour slower than the posted limit, without letting faster vehicles pass? It is almost impossible to get a speeding ticket in Canberra because of the slow drivers who take up the fast lanes.

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dungfungus 7:55 am
04 Nov 16
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wildturkeycanoe said :

If placed on the Parkway, can the speed cameras also please be used to identify and fine cars that sit in the right hand lane and do ten to fifteen kilometers per hour slower than the posted limit, without letting faster vehicles pass? It is almost impossible to get a speeding ticket in Canberra because of the slow drivers who take up the fast lanes.

That’s because it in not illegal to drive in that lane in the ACT as it is in most other jurisdictions.

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pink little birdie 10:04 am
04 Nov 16
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dungfungus said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

If placed on the Parkway, can the speed cameras also please be used to identify and fine cars that sit in the right hand lane and do ten to fifteen kilometers per hour slower than the posted limit, without letting faster vehicles pass? It is almost impossible to get a speeding ticket in Canberra because of the slow drivers who take up the fast lanes.

That’s because it in not illegal to drive in that lane in the ACT as it is in most other jurisdictions.

Yes it is – It’s a national law and applies to all multilane roads greater than 80km’s per hour. The parkway’s speed limit is greater than 80km per hour,
See page 79 of the ACT Road Rules handbook.
http://www.rego.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/565029/2015-Road-Rules-Handbook-Accessible-Version.pdf

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TinyTank 10:29 am
04 Nov 16
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dungfungus said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

If placed on the Parkway, can the speed cameras also please be used to identify and fine cars that sit in the right hand lane and do ten to fifteen kilometers per hour slower than the posted limit, without letting faster vehicles pass? It is almost impossible to get a speeding ticket in Canberra because of the slow drivers who take up the fast lanes.

That’s because it in not illegal to drive in that lane in the ACT as it is in most other jurisdictions.

Taken from 2015 ACT Road Rules Handbook (page 79): http://www.rego.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/565029/2015-Road-Rules-Handbook-Accessible-Version.pdf

Keeping to the left on a multi-lane road
This rule applies on a multi-lane road
where:
• the speed-limit is over 80 km/h; or
• a keep left unless overtaking sign
applies.
You must not drive in the right lane
unless:
• you are turning right, or making a U–
turn from the centre of the road, and
are giving a right turn signal;
• you are overtaking;
• a left lane must turn left sign or left
traffic lane arrows apply to any other
lane and you are not turning left;
• you are required to drive in the right
lane;
• you are avoiding an obstruction;
• the traffic in the other lanes is
congested; or
• the traffic in every lane is congested.
A keep left unless overtaking sign on a multi-lane road applies to the length of
road beginning at the sign and ending at the nearest of the following:
• an end keep left unless overtaking sign
on the road;
• a traffic sign or road marking on the
road indicating that it is no longer a
multi-lane road;
• if the road ends at a T–intersection or
dead end — the end of the road.

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dungfungus 11:11 am
04 Nov 16
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TinyTank said :

dungfungus said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

If placed on the Parkway, can the speed cameras also please be used to identify and fine cars that sit in the right hand lane and do ten to fifteen kilometers per hour slower than the posted limit, without letting faster vehicles pass? It is almost impossible to get a speeding ticket in Canberra because of the slow drivers who take up the fast lanes.

That’s because it in not illegal to drive in that lane in the ACT as it is in most other jurisdictions.

Taken from 2015 ACT Road Rules Handbook (page 79): http://www.rego.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/565029/2015-Road-Rules-Handbook-Accessible-Version.pdf

Keeping to the left on a multi-lane road
This rule applies on a multi-lane road
where:
• the speed-limit is over 80 km/h; or
• a keep left unless overtaking sign
applies.
You must not drive in the right lane
unless:
• you are turning right, or making a U–
turn from the centre of the road, and
are giving a right turn signal;
• you are overtaking;
• a left lane must turn left sign or left
traffic lane arrows apply to any other
lane and you are not turning left;
• you are required to drive in the right
lane;
• you are avoiding an obstruction;
• the traffic in the other lanes is
congested; or
• the traffic in every lane is congested.
A keep left unless overtaking sign on a multi-lane road applies to the length of
road beginning at the sign and ending at the nearest of the following:
• an end keep left unless overtaking sign
on the road;
• a traffic sign or road marking on the
road indicating that it is no longer a
multi-lane road;
• if the road ends at a T–intersection or
dead end — the end of the road.

I wasn’t aware the law had been changed but as they say, “ignorance is no excuse”.

I got it wrong, sorry.

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dungfungus 11:24 am
04 Nov 16
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pink little birdie said :

dungfungus said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

If placed on the Parkway, can the speed cameras also please be used to identify and fine cars that sit in the right hand lane and do ten to fifteen kilometers per hour slower than the posted limit, without letting faster vehicles pass? It is almost impossible to get a speeding ticket in Canberra because of the slow drivers who take up the fast lanes.

That’s because it in not illegal to drive in that lane in the ACT as it is in most other jurisdictions.

Yes it is – It’s a national law and applies to all multilane roads greater than 80km’s per hour. The parkway’s speed limit is greater than 80km per hour,
See page 79 of the ACT Road Rules handbook.
http://www.rego.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/565029/2015-Road-Rules-Handbook-Accessible-Version.pdf

pink little birdie also swoops like a magpie, ouch!

I can only say that if I didn’t know that a lot of other Canberrans don’t know it either.

Can the AFP Media people do a follow-up?

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La_Tour_Maubourg 1:27 pm
04 Nov 16
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Obviously the cameras were installed for the purposes of revenue otherwise there would be an announcement on how well the cameras have deterred speeding (and to continue this trend, would not have been removed.)
If the Hindmarsh cameras cease to detect a bulk of speeding motorists, would they also be removed?
Double standards.

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JC 6:31 pm
04 Nov 16
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dungfungus said :

pink little birdie also swoops like a magpie, ouch!

I can only say that if I didn’t know that a lot of other Canberrans don’t know it either.

Can the AFP Media people do a follow-up?

The law changed at least 10 years ago now. And it is up to drivers to regularly check for changes to rules, and when travelling interstate to check for different rules in each state. Though with national road rules the latter doesn’t apply as much as it used to but there are still minor variations.

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creative_canberran 7:14 pm
04 Nov 16
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James-T-Kirk said :

And here we are just 3 years later and ALL TRACES of the cameras have been removed….

as though nothing was ever there.

Looks like the cameras weren’t raking in the millions they expected….

Does anybody know the actual story?

Minister admitted they were poorly planned and the road conditions meant it was very unlikely anyone would be caught. I mean, intersections, roundabouts, you would have to be flooring it in between in / off-peak traffic to set off the camera.

Despite this, since the camera went in, heaps of people were obviously nervous and would do 60 along there despite the 80 limit. Really annoying, created more congestion.

The other annoying thing is there’s a notorious spot at the end of the P-P zone that does need a safety camera. The intersection of Drakeford and Athlon, where every single time the Athlon right turn lane get’s a green, at least a couple of cars continue through the red once it changes and once the Drakeford traffic has the green. Downright dangerous and they’d make a mint if they had a camera, or put a cop car there.

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