Bike path attacks?

By 21 May, 2007 22

The Canberra Times has a strange report of cyclists being ambushed on the bike path near Turner Primary (100 metres from All Bar Nun).

Actually they’ve got the story of one cyclist getting scared by kids but this seems to be the start of another great panic with calls for police patrols of bike paths and the installation of millions of dollars in bike path lighting (surveillance cameras too?).

The story strikes me as particularly odd because that stretch of bike path is also verminous with dog walkers and other pedestrians, it’s hardly a secluded stretch.

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22 Responses to Bike path attacks?
#1
Ralph1:30 pm, 21 May 07

Gee I wonder if these attacks are in any way correlated with the large amount of public housing in the area?

Just a thought.

I for one would not be buying property in that part of town.

#2
jube1:42 pm, 21 May 07

Spend more money on cyclists – gee, there’s a great investment! They demanded cycle lanes so they didn’t have to use the damn bike paths in the first place!

2 solutions spring to mind:

1) Make up their minds which they want – you can’t have your cake and eat it too

or

2) If they want all this public money spent, start paying a fee in relation to use of facilities – we could call it something snappy like….i dunno….REGISTRATION or maybe ROAD TAX.

#3
JD1142:10 pm, 21 May 07

jube, you’re a deadset loser. An example of the pathetically small-brained wankers that infest this town who by dint of posting idiotic statements only serve to prove that democracy and the right of free speech has its hazards.

Taxes pay for lots of things. The reason motor vehicles have their own taxation regime is because they cost the community so much in all sorts of ways, from infrastructure to health costs and so on. The net cost to the community of the cycle network is quite small in the scheme of things, and some would argue the net benefits outweigh the cost when all factors are taken into account.

But of course you will never research the subject well enough to counter your blind prejudice against bicycles, so I’m wasting my time even writing this tome, because I doubt your three or four working brain cells could collectively galvanise themselves into comprehending anything that doesn’t deserve a label warning of reactionary redneck opinions.

#4
OpenYourMind2:52 pm, 21 May 07

I’d prefer to counter Jube’s comments with rational arguments rather than insults, but I agree with your sentiment JD114.
This issue really has nothing to do with bicycles and cycling discussions and a whole lot to do with thugs attacking people. It’s a fear I had when I I walked home from civic to Braddon after being out. The cycleways/recreation paths or whatever you want to call them are used as much by pedestrians and additional lighting is a worthwhile investment for the safety of everyone.

#5
jube3:32 pm, 21 May 07

JD, thnks for the comment! I can tell how many brain cells you currently have a tenuous hold on by the first sentence of your post. As a business owner who spendes 15+ hours a day on the road, I am sick to death of seeing cycle lanes running parralel to cycle paths on major roads (infrastructure cost directly related to cyclists and their lobby groups), still at a loss to understand the need for said lanes with the most extensive cycleways of any city in the country and specifically targetting cyclists as the vast majority have zero respect for other road users and an inadequate grasp of the road rules (if any at all). I agree that cycles have a lower social cost – no argument – but again, how much is enough? Road money would be better spent on duplicating major arterials to lessen traffic snarls than direct duplication, would you not agree?

OYM, I also agree with you – no-one deserves to be attacked by thugs in any line of work or pleasure activity, yet attacks on drivers in my line of work go along weekly without guvmint money being appropriated for them either. I wasn’t attacking this point, more the suggestion of millions being spent on what is nearing the point of flogging a dead horse.

#6
bonfire4:49 pm, 21 May 07

i wonder if i can subcontract these hooligans to only attack cyclists not using lights and cyclists on recumbent bikes.

#7
OpenYourMind5:26 pm, 21 May 07

Yes, Bonfire, but I’d prefer it if they firstly got the people who drop cigarette butts and then claim the butts are no different to leaf litter.

#8
aich jay5:29 pm, 21 May 07

Jube says: “As a business owner who spendes 15+ hours a day on the road, I am sick to death of seeing cycle lanes running parralel to cycle paths on major roads”.

So i was wondering, if there’e been a decision to put in cycle lanes on the road so that the hard-core commuter or competititve cyclist can go in a straight line (rather than the somewhat more meandering, if scenic, routes offered by the more established bike/walking paths), should we simply be tearing up the old path that runs parallel to the new on-road cycle lane? That seems like a wonderful use of resources.

The fact is that the existing paths are fine if you are in no hurry , but they do go the long way round. Cyclist are entitled also to use the road (registration/road tax notwithstanding, as the law currently stands, cyclist ARE entitled to ride on the road) and the govt has wisely set aside specific lanes to improve the safety of the cyclist and make it easier for motor vehicles. In some places in Canberra the cycle paths run alongside the roads, without lots of twists and turn, for short stretches – alongside the Mint is a good example – but then they branch off and wander through the adjacent suburbs. For the on-raod paths to be even mildly useful for your average Tuggers to Civic cyclist commuter, they need to be on the road the whole way, not jumping off onto an existing bike track that doesn’t maintain a straight line or gradient and infested with prams, joggers and the like.

Finally, Jube: remove bicycle seat, sit, spin.

#9
OpenYourMind5:36 pm, 21 May 07

Jube, 15hrs+ a day is a lot. You are critical of cyclists breaking road rules, but admit to being ‘on the road’ for over 15 hours a day. I’ve seen it measured where a tired driver’s reactions are as bad as an intoxicated drivers. Most of that rego you pay isn’t rego, but third party person liability insurance – it’s expensive because car drivers are very efficient at injuring other people. A major cause of car accidents is fatigue.

#10
bigred6:12 pm, 21 May 07

Car registration is a contribution towards the cost of providing facilities. The balance comes out of consolidated revenue. This means that on a simple cost recovery basis the average motorist is in deficit. Further, to argue to register bicycles logically introduces an argument to register shoes because people walk across pedestrian crossings which are also provided. I wonder how much rego on a pair of thongs would cost?

And to the 15 hour a day masochist, pleae let me know where you are so I can be somewhere else just in case you nod off?

#11
jube6:40 pm, 21 May 07

Yep, 15 hours a day, 15 years on the road – zero accidents and 12 points on licence. If you don’t want to share the road with professional drivers (cabs, hire cars, trucks, buses, coaches all do similar if not more hours), that’s fine.

#12
bigred6:59 pm, 21 May 07

Mr Magoo never had an accident IIRC!

#13
OpenYourMind7:00 pm, 21 May 07

Umm, I was a taxi driver in the early 90s. Cabs drive 12hr+ shifts. I know first hand the dangers of fatigue and have shared many a fatigue story with other cab drivers. Just coz you drive a lot and class yourself as ‘professional’ doesn’t make you ‘safe’. I look back and realise how stupid some of those cab shifts were (specially when they went over 12hrs).

#14
bigred7:08 pm, 21 May 07

And truck and bus drivers certainly are not allowed to work more than 12 hours in a 24 hour period (bit of a simplification) under the current regs. I recall a Murrays Sydney coach being stopped at Marulan recently because the driver was out of hours and ACTION running out of drivers recently for the same reason.

#15
schmerica_7:54 pm, 21 May 07

Hooray! Another cycling-relating post!

#16
Special G8:00 pm, 21 May 07

Can’t say I have seen too many taxi drivers displaying professional driving skills lately either. Away from the bike v car lane thingy as threads tend to get side tracked.

Maybe pedal power can put together a hard core vigilante group as a side thing to cycling.

#17
Gus9298:45 pm, 21 May 07

Two years ago my then girlfriend was tackled off her bike by a would-be sexual assailant at around 9pm on the same bike path. At the time the cops told her there had been a spate of sexual assaults on bike paths in the area, late at night.

The fact that there is almost no lighting along that path, especially in the bits where there are trees are next to the path, makes it pretty easy for people to jump you, if they want to.

PS Jube, you’re either a troll, a moron, or both. If people had been blocking cars and throwing rocks then no doubt you’d be here telling us how awful it was.

PPS The Turner Primary part of the bike path is a fair way away from the public housing. Not too far for uninformed inflammatory comment, of course.

#18
astrojax10:06 pm, 21 May 07

back on topic, i was sent a notice by the ‘ride to work’ rep in my building and the report from the [a?] cyclist actually affected by an incident had it on the path from wattle st up along the stormwater canal towards lyneham shops, where the left turn to the shops is on that path, sort of behind lyneham high. several kids with sticks across the path and then throwing bigger sticks at him when he slowed down.

did someone mention the housing commission..? funily, not far from those round ones one wattle street – like, behind them…

and jube, just because you’re a wonderful driver doesn’t mean other people don’t have a different idea about what a road might be for. i suppose you’d spew if i decided to run my mob of sheep up northbourne in front of you, but have you checked the laws on how roads can be used?

shut up about cyclists already – in fact, go have a nice lie down.

#19
Danman7:30 am, 22 May 07

by the way its spelt Parallel

#20
Swaggie9:28 am, 22 May 07

Just dump some piping hot cow manure near the path in question, the stench will ensure no one stays long enough to ambush anyone and the cyclists are through there in a second before being over come by the fumes…

#21
KandyA2:53 pm, 24 May 07

game little buggers- I get so annoyed with little trivial things when riding, like – slow/fast other riders High beam riders, the inventors of lycra, anything that slows me down – trees, lights, my legs; Id definitley take them on, just that Id likely need a half hour to get my breath back first

#22
andreas9:49 pm, 30 May 07

Could I suggest the maybe Jube is just grumpy because he’s not getting enough sleep?

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