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Bizarro-world courtroom hijinx

By M0les - 8 January 2013 19

No doubt someone’s onto this already, but I found this bit of courtroom drama reported by the ABC strangely contradictory:

  1. Commit suicide and then afterwards set-fire to your house?
  2. Methadone is not a drug, apparently?
  3. Defendant should be able to go home, because it was a “brain snap”, then snaps brain once again at being refused bail.
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Bizarro-world courtroom hijinx
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IrishPete 8:19 am
10 Jan 13
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1) which probably helps demonstrate that he was a bit off the planet when interviewed by police
2) can’t work out how you made this inference
3) proving the police and magistrate right, that he’s too unstable at the moment to be sharing a property with his victim (there was a little more detail about his living arrangements on the Canberra Times website)

IP

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 8:49 am
10 Jan 13
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Choking out a woman. Real pos right here.

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thebrownstreak69 9:15 am
10 Jan 13
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Refused bail? Wow…

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Duffbowl 9:44 am
10 Jan 13
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IrishPete said :

2) can’t work out how you made this inference

IP

Probably from this part of the ABC article:

Today in court he applied for bail to return home, stating his actions were nothing more than a brain snap a result of him trying to get off [b]methadone[/b].

But Magistrate David Mossop refused saying his “bizarre and irrational conduct” could be [b]just as much caused by drugs and alcohol[/b].

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Duffbowl 9:46 am
10 Jan 13
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Duffbowl said :

IrishPete said :

2) can’t work out how you made this inference

IP

Probably from this part of the ABC article:

Today in court he applied for bail to return home, stating his actions were nothing more than a brain snap a result of him trying to get off [b]methadone[/b].

But Magistrate David Mossop refused saying his “bizarre and irrational conduct” could be [b]just as much caused by drugs and alcohol[/b].

*sigh* One day, I will get the comment markups sorted…

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IrishPete 2:39 pm
10 Jan 13
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Duffbowl said :

IrishPete said :

2) can’t work out how you made this inference

IP

Probably from this part of the ABC article:

Today in court he applied for bail to return home, stating his actions were nothing more than a brain snap a result of him trying to get off [b]methadone[/b].

But Magistrate David Mossop refused saying his “bizarre and irrational conduct” could be [b]just as much caused by drugs and alcohol[/b].

nope, there is no reason to make such an inference. If he was trying to get off methadone, then he’s not on it. So whether or not it is a drug is irrelevant. The magistrate is perhaps probably suggesting that it is OTHER drugs, and alcohol, which may be the cause.

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Matt_Watts 3:11 pm
10 Jan 13
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IrishPete said :

Duffbowl said :

IrishPete said :

2) can’t work out how you made this inference

IP

Probably from this part of the ABC article:

Today in court he applied for bail to return home, stating his actions were nothing more than a brain snap a result of him trying to get off [b]methadone[/b].

But Magistrate David Mossop refused saying his “bizarre and irrational conduct” could be [b]just as much caused by drugs and alcohol[/b].

nope, there is no reason to make such an inference. If he was trying to get off methadone, then he’s not on it. So whether or not it is a drug is irrelevant. The magistrate is perhaps probably suggesting that it is OTHER drugs, and alcohol, which may be the cause.

You seem to like dealing in facts, IP. Maybe you’d like to clarify why someone “trying” to get off methadone is actually off it. Do or do not – there is no try :)

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DrKoresh 3:42 pm
10 Jan 13
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Matt_Watts said :

You seem to like dealing in facts, IP. Maybe you’d like to clarify why someone “trying” to get off methadone is actually off it. Do or do not – there is no try :)

You seem to have no clue what an opiate addiction is like, maybe you’d like to prove that going cold turkey isn’t a problem and is just a matter of willpower. :facepalm:

Seriously though, this sounds like the kind of outcome you’d hope for in a case like this, the accused certainly doesn’t sound as if he should be allowed to return to the share-house.

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Matt_Watts 3:59 pm
10 Jan 13
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DrKoresh said :

Matt_Watts said :

You seem to like dealing in facts, IP. Maybe you’d like to clarify why someone “trying” to get off methadone is actually off it. Do or do not – there is no try :)

You seem to have no clue what an opiate addiction is like, maybe you’d like to prove that going cold turkey isn’t a problem and is just a matter of willpower. :facepalm:

Seriously though, this sounds like the kind of outcome you’d hope for in a case like this, the accused certainly doesn’t sound as if he should be allowed to return to the share-house.

Wasn’t suggesting that cold turkey is a walk in the park, or even feasible.

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Roundhead89 4:36 pm
10 Jan 13
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Reported by the ABC? Well, that explains everything …

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 5:28 pm
10 Jan 13
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DrKoresh said :

Matt_Watts said :

You seem to like dealing in facts, IP. Maybe you’d like to clarify why someone “trying” to get off methadone is actually off it. Do or do not – there is no try :)

You seem to have no clue what an opiate addiction is like, maybe you’d like to prove that going cold turkey isn’t a problem and is just a matter of willpower. :facepalm:

Seriously though, this sounds like the kind of outcome you’d hope for in a case like this, the accused certainly doesn’t sound as if he should be allowed to return to the share-house.

Yeah but going through drug withdrawals in no way ever justified violence.

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 5:29 pm
10 Jan 13
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Roundhead89 said :

Reported by the ABC? Well, that explains everything …

What does it explain?

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Spykler 8:53 pm
10 Jan 13
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Roundhead89 said :

Reported by the ABC? Well, that explains everything …

And?..We are all waiting..

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Girt_Hindrance 10:25 pm
10 Jan 13
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DrKoresh said :

Matt_Watts said :

You seem to like dealing in facts, IP. Maybe you’d like to clarify why someone “trying” to get off methadone is actually off it. Do or do not – there is no try :)

You seem to have no clue what an opiate addiction is like, maybe you’d like to prove that going cold turkey isn’t a problem and is just a matter of willpower. :facepalm:

Personally can’t see anywhere that Matt stated that he believed it was an easy task to rid oneself of opiates. I’m sure he was making reference to either being ‘on’ or ‘off’ methadone, and that ‘trying’ to stay off is another subsidiary of still being ‘on’ methadone.
And, agreed, it doesn’t sound like an easy feat to be/stay off the opiates.
Feel free to correct me tho.
And also, I believe it was a ‘Yoda’ quote that he was making reference to.

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DrKoresh 10:38 pm
10 Jan 13
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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah but going through drug withdrawals in no way ever justified violence.

No, most certainly not, I agree with you. I just thought it was a bit rich of Matt Watts to basically tell him to harden-up and just stop being addicted.

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