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Canberra Air Disaster

By madalynmitchell - 9 April 2012 59

On the 8th of April 2012, myself along with a small group of friends headed up to the Canberra Air Disaster Memorial we wanted to see if we saw any paranormal activity. We arrived at roughly 9pm at night, there were two other NSW P plater cars at the gate, discussing whether we would go through the gate or go home.

One person from the NSW cars recognised me from school and told us that it would be a 90 minute walk to the site. They left shortly after.

Two of our party stayed back at our cars because they were superstitious, we arrived at the memorial site after walking for 25-30 minutes and taking a wrong turn at the fork in the road, heading into the bush (we quickly realised that it was not right and retracted our steps) arriving at the memorial site we looked around and headed back unsatisfied, the two girls rang us on a mobile phone to tell us that a security guard had arrived and wanted to speak to us.  Walking along the road next to the paintball center, looking at the meche fence, there were lots of cuts in it as if people were trying to cut through it, and at the beginning of the road, 50m from the main gate, there was a hole cut through the fence. None of these were from us.

We walked back to the cars  and were told to stand against one car by a security guard with a German Shepard, he then asked us if we knew that we were trespassing on Government land, this was the first any of us had heard about it belonging to anyone. He threatened to call the police to charge us with trespassing.

Speaking up, i asked who it belonged to. The security guard shun his torch in my eyes and told me that it now belonged to the Australian Army and had for quite some time. He continued to ask us for our details and who owned the cars to hand over to the police  in case of any report of vandalism. He told us that this was our only warning and if he saw us again we would be arrested and charged. Curious, i asked how long he would keep our details in his phone, he told me that he would keep them for a long time.

I told him that there are no signs stating that this land belongs to anyone, and another member of my group stated that it was not stated on any website on the internet. The security guard could not explain why they had not been updated. I apologised on behalf of myself and my friends for trespassing that we did not know that it belonged to the government, that he could be sure that he would never see any of us again and that we would pass on this information to anyone who spoke of heading up to the memorial site to see the paranormal activity. The security guard told us to leave and that he was now going to check for damages.

What’s Your opinion?


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59 Responses to
Canberra Air Disaster
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Gerry-Built 12:34 pm
09 Apr 12
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The area you described walking along is all in public land.

If you remember the details of the guard (ie company he worked for etc), I’d be contacting them and making an official complaint – and possibly the police (it shouldn’t be too hard to work out which company is licensed with dogs – then finding this tool should be easy). Whilst that is Government land – it is also public land – so long as you did not leave the forest. The Paintball area is probably leased off the Commonwealth and would be off limits; as would the speedway (the oval just off Pialligo Ave) and Military training land (unforested to the west of forest), but the path from Pialligo Ave to the memorial is publicly accessible – it is not fenced off, but has barricades (such as the locked gate) to prevent unauthorised vehicle access (perhaps to protect the investment in the timber?).

Sounds like the guard was simply a power hungry tool – who will remain so until someone reins him in… that’s where people like you come in… make a complaint, and possibly, once you know the company etc, report the harassment to the police. Even if the police had been called; all they could do is ask you to leave. Honestly, some people get a uniform on and think it is a cloak of invincibility…

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Gerry-Built 1:03 pm
09 Apr 12
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The unfenced area (some 54Ha) is part of ACT Government land (Commercial Pine Plantation). Fairbairn Pines are part of Kowen Forest and are still open to “informal use”… Information on use of these areas can be found here on TAMS website

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Sandman 1:10 pm
09 Apr 12
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c_c said :

And you lied to the security guard too, because one of the first results on Google is for an NCA guide stating ACT Forests should be contacted for vehicle access.
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They weren’t after vehicle access, they parked at the gate and walked. There are plenty of places in Canberra where you are allowed to walk but not allowed to drive.

It’s not suprising that vehicle access is closed to that area. I remember many a time as a young adult buying old cheap cars with a few weeks rego left and heading out there for a night of spirited dirt driving ( And before anyone pisses and moans about it, we never left the cars there, we never got above the speed limit, and we had 2 way radio’s and spotters to warn of any other traffic.)
Other visitors however, preferred stolen cars and torching them once they no longer ran or were finished with them.

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Gerry-Built 1:20 pm
09 Apr 12
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c_c said :

Grow up kids.

No! YOU grow up 😛

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dazzab 1:35 pm
09 Apr 12
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I was told earlier in the week by a security guard that I couldn’t photograph one of the buildings in the Brindabella Business Park from Pialligo Rd. Yeah right.

When I asked why, after taking the photos mind you, I was told that the Australian Defence Force had offices in the building. No fence, no sign, on a major public road and this guy tells me I can’t take photos.

I guess in this case there was a locked gate so it’s a bit different, but if someone is going to give me a hard time like this I want some more information as to why and I’ll be the one calling the Police thank you very much.

Oh, for those of you who want to join me in some civil disobedience, just stick your mobile out the car next time you drive by this building and take a photo of it. Menaces to society that we are all.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dburkey/6904003922/

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Skidd Marx 1:42 pm
09 Apr 12
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I wonder how many times his cop application got knocked back?

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GardeningGirl 2:24 pm
09 Apr 12
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I agree there’s people who put on a uniform and get carried away with their own importance. I met one once when I had to go back into my office building after hours to get something I’d forgotten. The simple identification procedure at the front desk turned into a big finger-wagging lecture. Jeez, I simply forgot something and no I can’t do without it till Monday, I’ll be out of here in five minutes!
HOWEVER, I’m an old lady and there are things that people used to do with no reservations that I certainly wouldn’t do any more because the stupid behaviour of a proportion of the community has ruined it for everyone else. I used to play tennis at the school courts and walk home between the buildings without giving it a thought, now I won’t go near school buildings after hours because of the vandals and/or the guards/police looking for the vandals. I used to walk the track between Civic and the TAFE without giving it a thought, now I don’t go to Glebe Park unless I’ve figured out when’s a good time to visit when plenty of other people will be there, safety in numbers and all that. I’ve walked around the sequoia plantation near the airport, but the last time I was there I couldn’t jump back in the car fast enough because of all the rubbish and broken bottles and I haven’t gone back. As for memorials and people’s right to visit them, how many people (especially young enough to be on P plates) really know or care what that memorial is for? Even the bushfire memorial at Stromlo, about an event which is surely still vivid in Canberrans’ hearts, has been vandalised. So perhaps this particular poster and her friends were only after a bit of harmless spooky fun, but if kids lurking in dark out of the way places raises suspicions ask yourselves WHY? Instead of complaining about security guards complain about the people who are spoiling things for you and me and everybody!

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milkman 2:37 pm
09 Apr 12
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Sounds to me like a cyclone in a thimble.

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c_c 3:00 pm
09 Apr 12
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staminaman62 said :

I potentially could’ve had HIM charged with illegal detention.

Nice that we live in an era when every tool who’s seen a courtroom scene on TV thinks he knows the law.

Firstly, it’s called “False imprisonment”

Secondly, it requires a total restraint of the persons freedom, which isn’t the case here.

Thirdly, it’s not false imprisonment where a lawful excuse exists. A lawful excuse would be detaining people on suspicion of committing or planning to commit a crime.

Thumper said :

It’s certainly not defence land. ACT government maybe.

Well by default, it’s either Commonwealth or ACT Government land, there’s no “unowned” land anywhere in Canberra. The only question is what agency within those two has direct control.

Sandman said :

c_c said :

They weren’t after vehicle access, they parked at the gate and walked. There are plenty of places in Canberra where you are allowed to walk but not allowed to drive.

Point isn’t that, point is they claimed not to know anyone owned it. The search result clearly states ACT Forests controls vehicle access, so it’s safe to assume they control/own that area.

In any case I pity the OP. If the most exciting thing you can think to do at 9pm is go into a dark forrest looking for ghosts, not only aren’t you very intelligent, you’re obviously not normal. Or perhaps they would like to come clean about why a bunch of them were really sneaking out there.

dazzab said :

I was told earlier in the week by a security guard that I couldn’t photograph one of the buildings in the Brindabella Business Park from Pialligo Rd. Yeah right.

When I asked why, after taking the photos mind you, I was told that the Australian Defence Force had offices in the building. No fence, no sign, on a major public road and this guy tells me I can’t take photos.

Now here is someone with a genuine complaint, one that happens often. Security guards and Police overstepping the mark trying to block photography and filming.

There are no laws against photographing buildings and people in public places. Even photographing private property is fine so long as you don’t enter the property beyond any implied licence.

There are certain areas where the law specifically is written to prevent photography, such as sensitive installations like Pine Gap.

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c_c 3:04 pm
09 Apr 12
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6matt9 said :

It is a memorial! People are allowed to go there.

You do realise many memorials in Australian cities are closed after hours. And those that aren’t are frequent targets for vandals. Even some that close still get vandalised like the War Memorial in Melbourne.

Put it this way, would you break the lock on the AWM after hours to get a look?

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 4:03 pm
09 Apr 12
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Did OP say they broke a lock?
anyone can visit anything like this at anytime they choose. Same with forests, lookouts, etc etc.

And lol yes, i imagine the penis of a *security guard* has been rejected from the police several times and now has a chip on his shoulder.

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Muttsybignuts 4:06 pm
09 Apr 12
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So a bunch of kids head out to the Air disaster memorial to see if they can see some ghosts. Half of Canberra did it in their teenage years. A wanker security guard gets off on harassing the kids because he can.
And c_c you just sound like a horrible boorish wanker. Were you the security guard?

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trevar 4:16 pm
09 Apr 12
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c_c said :

You do realise many memorials in Australian cities are closed after hours. And those that aren’t are frequent targets for vandals. Even some that close still get vandalised like the War Memorial in Melbourne.

Put it this way, would you break the lock on the AWM after hours to get a look?

That may be true, but there is a big difference. The fact that the War Memorial is closed after hours is obvious because I’d have to break in to get in! If there’s nothing except a little gate I can walk around, I will assume it isn’t closed. Even if there’s a sign to say I can’t enter, I might think about complying with its request, but under the circumstances, I’m with the OP.

I would look a little further than the security company, though. I hardly think the Australian Army would be happy with a security guard (or someone dressed as one) pretending to represent them. Surely if it’s army property the army can keep it secure; why would they be using a civil security company? And in case there’s any continuing thoughts about it belonging to the army, they might want to take that up with TAMS, as they’re claiming it belongs to them here.

Also, both Monument Australia and the National Capital Authority encourage visitors, although the NCA suggests you should call for the key to gain vehicular access. There is no indication of hours when this is appropriate.

So, whether or not you want to complain to the security company (who may or may not really employ the bloke you encountered), it may be worth warning the army that there is some drongo out there dressing like a security guard and claiming he works for them, and also go visiting the site on another night, with a key for the gate so you can drive to the top and save yourself the walk!

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Ko. 4:19 pm
09 Apr 12
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c_c said :

Put it this way, would you break the lock on the AWM after hours to get a look?

It’s no different to walking down Anzac parade and having a look at the memorials there.

The air disaster memorial is only shut to vehicle access, and it’s shut to public vehicle access all the time. These kids did nothing wrong, not a thing.

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Ko. 4:27 pm
09 Apr 12
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Without looking too hard, I’m guessing you security guys belong to this company

http://www.leadersecurity.com.au/blog/articles/leader-nabs-15-intruders-in-the-pines.html

Given they have dogs and patrol the neighboring premises.

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