The ABC reports that the infamous “Ainslie Mother” has tested positive for methamphetamine, and on her second appearance for breaching bail, been remanded in custody.
But having the magistrate bail you on the condition that you beat addiction is as good a wakeup call as you can have to get some help for your problem.
If she doesn’t, then she doesn’t, but the magistrate obviously prefers not to have such an addict on the loose and rightly locks her up.
DMD, beating your addiction because the magistrate told you so is probably as good a time as any.
If the chance of getting your kids back isn’t enough to make you do it, what do you reckon would be?
Beating addictions can be a slow process. That means you might still be using drugs, only less. God knows, she might have been seriously cutting down.
Also, whilst her children are victims, the reason they are victims is because of the mother’s meth addiction. Throwing her back in the pokey isn’t going to remove the inner problems she’s using the meth to run away from.
Angelina Jolie is apparently on the lookout for two Maori children to complete her trendy collection. Now if I could only remember where I put her number…
DMD on his crusade for the drug ‘addicted’ again. It’s a choice like any other. There are plenty of people to turn to for help in the ACT should she choose to ask for it.
The whole she’s using drugs to get away from other issues is a load of crapola as well. Plenty of people have those problems, plenty of people ask for help – others choose to go and get on the gear with complete disregard for those who are in their care.
I think legalising drugs would fix problems like this. If it wasn’t illegal for the mother to be using meth then she would instead be at home, cheerily making school lunches and helping her kids with their homework.
If it wasn’t illegal for the mother to be using meth then she would instead be at home, cheerily making school lunches and helping her kids with their homework
Legalising drugs would certainly work. I also think convicted murderers get a hard rap compared to typical Carney offenders, they should be allowed out on weekends to assume a modicum of their ruined lives that the imposition of a prison sentence would naturally affect.
DMD – what would you do with her children while she spends the next 25 years addicted to meth? Get real. She has proven she cares nothing for her children and she should be removed from them.
Th one prevalent thing I’m picking up from all these responses is a complete and utter lack of understanding of the variety of human psychology and conditioning that is encountered in our society. You do seem to live in very small worlds.
In the real world (the real, real one, Maelinar ), people come from a variety of backgrounds and have a variety of experiences which means they may not make the same choices as everyone else, therefore a range of different approaches should be applied when problems between people with different situations clash with the expectations of society in order to allow them to fit in.
Jail has consistently proven to be a failure. It’s time we looked at other ways we can deal with addicts who begin affecting other people’s lives. You know, if the drug itself was legalized or at least some indemnity to prosecution for drugs was given during some methods of rehabilitation, so the intake can be monitored while slowly helping her beat her dependence…it might just mean we wouldn’t be recycling these people through jails and public housing for the rest of their lives.
I also detest the fact that the media has jumped on this singular case and caused pressure by the usual mob of small-minded morons to just ‘lock her up and throw away the key’. There are thousands of cases like this around Australia. This one found it’s way into the hands of the media and police at a time where some more serious child neglect that had caused death had actually occurred. Coincidence?
I would agree with DMD, sending people to prison or locking them up in remand is often ineffective in terms of rehabilitation – but it sure does make it difficult for the offender to commit further offences or victimise anyone else in society. Some people just cannot be ‘saved’ no matter how much we might like to pretend otherwise – gaol is the only place for them.
But WMD, I noted that a changed prison environment would be more appropriate. In particular, I noted that convicted murderers should be let out on weekends to cheerily do their housework and help the children with their homework*, in an effort to counter the inconvenience of being in prison.
Since you are making a very botched attempt at reading with comprehension, frankly further conversation is quite pointless.
But WMD, I noted that a changed prison environment would be more appropriate. In particular, I noted that convicted murderers should be let out on weekends to cheerily do their housework and help the children with their homework*, in an effort to counter the inconvenience of being in prison.
Since you are making a very botched attempt at reading with comprehension, frankly further conversation is quite pointless.
*embellished statement
I just wasn’t listening to your poor attempts at sarcasm, mate.
I just wasn’t listening to your poor attempts at sarcasm, mate.
Then why respond?
That’s it, you’re both on final warnings. Mod queue if you can’t figure out how to carry out a civil discourse. You’ve had more than enough prior warning.
I happened to be talking to someone who has to deal with this woman at least once a week.
Take it from my friend, she is trash, serious trash. She doesn’t care about you, me, her kids, the police, the courts, anyone, not even the bleeding hearts who have been bending over backwards for the last 10 or so years trying to help her.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Some people are simply trash, They do not deserve to be in society, they will never be rehabilitated. Not ever. They don’t want to be. Simple really.
I happened to be talking to someone who has to deal with this woman at least once a week.
Take it from my friend, she is trash, serious trash. She doesn’t care about you, me, her kids, the police, the courts, anyone, not even the bleeding hearts who have been bending over backwards for the last 10 or so years trying to help her.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Some people are simply trash, They do not deserve to be in society, they will never be rehabilitated. Not ever. They don’t want to be. Simple really.
That is a fact.
Nothing more. Out.
She sounds like an addict. Guess she’ll be one for the rest of her life from what’s about to happen.
My mum knows some of the people that worked closely with her. She was saying, that while this woman has problems, there was some signs of her trying to fix herself up. The washing was out on the line, for one.
She just has some really serious issues. Probably mental as well. I don’t think the kids should be in her custody, but I don’t think she should be in jail. She should be in care.
The problem is, the media’s painted a different picture; the usual menace-to-society that your friend seems to be painting. Can you be more specific as to how your friend deals with her?
Yeah, that’d give a certain angle, as much as the source through my mum would have another, considering where either interest lies. I assume from the education perspective, they would be primarily concerned with the children, so they would have less insight into the mother’s situation and see her more as a source of harm to these children. The source through my mother would have come through dealing with this woman’s situation, but might have been a little skewed by a primary professional concern for care and rehabilitation than justice for the children.
The case itself has several different angles.
I think the problem here is that this woman ended up in this situation at the wrong time. The media tends to feed the interest of the public, that’s how they get read, watched and talked about. At the time, we had a situation in Australia where children were dying as a result of neglect. A story like this, which does occur often in this country, came at the right time for the local media to get some spotlight. As a result, we have a situation, which really should be dealt with with all respects to privacy, especially as there are children involved, being tossed in open and all parties receiving pressure from uniformed parties and the public.
And BigDave, whilst hanging out the washing certainly isn’t a great leap – it’s at least an indication that the woman wasn’t the animal the media made her out to be. She’s still well below standard in terms of housekeeping, but it wasn’t like she wasn’t doing anything at all. Don’t believe everything you read, see and hear just because it comes from a respected media source. They feed the public interest too.
I’d rather wait and see how god damn liberal you are when you are chasing one them down the street while they have your DVD player
tucked under their left arm.
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Something very Carney about this. Oh, hang on – he still keeps getting chances!
Addiction isn’t something you can just beat because the magistrate told you so.
But having the magistrate bail you on the condition that you beat addiction is as good a wakeup call as you can have to get some help for your problem.
If she doesn’t, then she doesn’t, but the magistrate obviously prefers not to have such an addict on the loose and rightly locks her up.
It’s a win win.
It’s worth remembering that the ‘mother’ in question is not the victim here.
DMD, beating your addiction because the magistrate told you so is probably as good a time as any.
If the chance of getting your kids back isn’t enough to make you do it, what do you reckon would be?
illyria said :
Beating addictions can be a slow process. That means you might still be using drugs, only less. God knows, she might have been seriously cutting down.
Also, whilst her children are victims, the reason they are victims is because of the mother’s meth addiction. Throwing her back in the pokey isn’t going to remove the inner problems she’s using the meth to run away from.
Throw away the key. She doesn’t do well for the stereotype of the drug-addled welfare recipient, does she?
Unfortunately society has all the incentives to encourage these people to breed. Sounds like the kids would be much better off without her.
Good on you DMD, sticking up for all of society’s misfits, champ. Indeed she has a drug ‘illness’.
Angelina Jolie is apparently on the lookout for two Maori children to complete her trendy collection. Now if I could only remember where I put her number…
Nice one Prius.
DMD on his crusade for the drug ‘addicted’ again. It’s a choice like any other. There are plenty of people to turn to for help in the ACT should she choose to ask for it.
The whole she’s using drugs to get away from other issues is a load of crapola as well. Plenty of people have those problems, plenty of people ask for help – others choose to go and get on the gear with complete disregard for those who are in their care.
Back in the hole for you mother of the year.
I think legalising drugs would fix problems like this. If it wasn’t illegal for the mother to be using meth then she would instead be at home, cheerily making school lunches and helping her kids with their homework.
If it wasn’t illegal for the mother to be using meth then she would instead be at home, cheerily making school lunches and helping her kids with their homework
She would?? Hmmm, perhaps I need some
.
Legalising drugs would certainly work. I also think convicted murderers get a hard rap compared to typical Carney offenders, they should be allowed out on weekends to assume a modicum of their ruined lives that the imposition of a prison sentence would naturally affect.
DMD – what would you do with her children while she spends the next 25 years addicted to meth? Get real. She has proven she cares nothing for her children and she should be removed from them.
If only she had been in Isabealla Plains on Monday evening
Th one prevalent thing I’m picking up from all these responses is a complete and utter lack of understanding of the variety of human psychology and conditioning that is encountered in our society. You do seem to live in very small worlds.
In the real world (the real, real one, Maelinar
), people come from a variety of backgrounds and have a variety of experiences which means they may not make the same choices as everyone else, therefore a range of different approaches should be applied when problems between people with different situations clash with the expectations of society in order to allow them to fit in.
Jail has consistently proven to be a failure. It’s time we looked at other ways we can deal with addicts who begin affecting other people’s lives. You know, if the drug itself was legalized or at least some indemnity to prosecution for drugs was given during some methods of rehabilitation, so the intake can be monitored while slowly helping her beat her dependence…it might just mean we wouldn’t be recycling these people through jails and public housing for the rest of their lives.
I also detest the fact that the media has jumped on this singular case and caused pressure by the usual mob of small-minded morons to just ‘lock her up and throw away the key’. There are thousands of cases like this around Australia. This one found it’s way into the hands of the media and police at a time where some more serious child neglect that had caused death had actually occurred. Coincidence?
I would agree with DMD, sending people to prison or locking them up in remand is often ineffective in terms of rehabilitation – but it sure does make it difficult for the offender to commit further offences or victimise anyone else in society. Some people just cannot be ‘saved’ no matter how much we might like to pretend otherwise – gaol is the only place for them.
I would agree with DMD too. It’s just not worth the aggravation by disagreeing!
But WMD, I noted that a changed prison environment would be more appropriate. In particular, I noted that convicted murderers should be let out on weekends to cheerily do their housework and help the children with their homework*, in an effort to counter the inconvenience of being in prison.
Since you are making a very botched attempt at reading with comprehension, frankly further conversation is quite pointless.
*embellished statement
Mælinar – *spoiler alert* I’ve seen S04E13 said :
I just wasn’t listening to your poor attempts at sarcasm, mate.
Deadmandrinking said :
Then why respond?
That’s it, you’re both on final warnings. Mod queue if you can’t figure out how to carry out a civil discourse. You’ve had more than enough prior warning.
I happened to be talking to someone who has to deal with this woman at least once a week.
Take it from my friend, she is trash, serious trash. She doesn’t care about you, me, her kids, the police, the courts, anyone, not even the bleeding hearts who have been bending over backwards for the last 10 or so years trying to help her.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Some people are simply trash, They do not deserve to be in society, they will never be rehabilitated. Not ever. They don’t want to be. Simple really.
That is a fact.
Nothing more. Out.
I’ll go with that Thumper.
Thumper said :
She sounds like an addict. Guess she’ll be one for the rest of her life from what’s about to happen.
My mum knows some of the people that worked closely with her. She was saying, that while this woman has problems, there was some signs of her trying to fix herself up. The washing was out on the line, for one.
She just has some really serious issues. Probably mental as well. I don’t think the kids should be in her custody, but I don’t think she should be in jail. She should be in care.
The problem is, the media’s painted a different picture; the usual menace-to-society that your friend seems to be painting. Can you be more specific as to how your friend deals with her?
DMD, are you saying that hanging the washing out means you’ve turned a corner?
Let’s say education. And that’s it.
Thumper said :
Yeah, that’d give a certain angle, as much as the source through my mum would have another, considering where either interest lies. I assume from the education perspective, they would be primarily concerned with the children, so they would have less insight into the mother’s situation and see her more as a source of harm to these children. The source through my mother would have come through dealing with this woman’s situation, but might have been a little skewed by a primary professional concern for care and rehabilitation than justice for the children.
The case itself has several different angles.
I think the problem here is that this woman ended up in this situation at the wrong time. The media tends to feed the interest of the public, that’s how they get read, watched and talked about. At the time, we had a situation in Australia where children were dying as a result of neglect. A story like this, which does occur often in this country, came at the right time for the local media to get some spotlight. As a result, we have a situation, which really should be dealt with with all respects to privacy, especially as there are children involved, being tossed in open and all parties receiving pressure from uniformed parties and the public.
And BigDave, whilst hanging out the washing certainly isn’t a great leap – it’s at least an indication that the woman wasn’t the animal the media made her out to be. She’s still well below standard in terms of housekeeping, but it wasn’t like she wasn’t doing anything at all. Don’t believe everything you read, see and hear just because it comes from a respected media source. They feed the public interest too.
Judging by some of the people I’ve seen living in that area, I wouldn’t be too surprised if we hear of a few more of these cases.
You probably won’t unless another child dies somewhere and makes the national news. It doesn’t mean there won’t be cases.
DMD,
I’d rather wait and see how god damn liberal you are when you are chasing one them down the street while they have your DVD player
tucked under their left arm.