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Capital Metro design consultation underway

By 1 July 2014 37

Early designs for the 12 kilometre light rail project from the city to Gungahlin will be available for comment on during the next six weeks as part of community engagement program that started with the opening of a pop-up shop by Minister for the Environment and Sustainable Development, Simon Corbell, yesterday.

The Capital Metro pop-up shop is located on Mort Street in the CBD.

“This is the first opportunity for the community to see what light rail in Canberra might look like and I would encourage everyone to visit the pop-up shop, look at the proposed design and provide feedback,” Minister Corbell said.

“As this is an early design, no decisions have been made on the final product, so this is the most opportune time to influence the end design.”

The design proposal has been created based on in-depth planning and builds on previous community feedback.

As well as the pop-up shop, information sessions will also be held in Gungahlin and Dickson shopping centres at various times through July and August.

“The feedback provided during the consultation will feed into next stages of design that will provide the basis for expressions of interest later this year.

“It is vital the community take the opportunity to provide their feedback on how they would like the system to look and operate.

“Light Rail will deliver so much more than a transport benefit for Canberra and this is why the ACT government has been so intent on planning for the future and is committed to delivering city-changing infrastructure. We look forward to hearing what the community has to say about these designs.”

All information regarding the design proposal, information sessions and the opening hours of the pop-up shop is available at the Capital Metro website. Regular updates will also be provided through Facebook and Twitter.

(Simon Corbell Media Release)

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37 Responses to Capital Metro design consultation underway
#1
davo1012:40 pm, 01 Jul 14

Perhaps I should drop by and ask to see the patronage modelling…. LOL

#2
dungfungus3:29 pm, 01 Jul 14

Time to roll out the ACT Labor minority Government media release disclaimer again.

“This media release may contain statements that constitute forward-looking. These forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of forward-looking terminology, such as the words “expects”, “projects”, “plans”, “believes”, “intends”, “anticipates”, “estimates”, “stabilised”, “underwritten”, “vision”, “may”, “could”, “pro forma”, “budget”, “financial model”,”infrastructure” and analogous. Any such statements are inherently subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected and the actual outcome to differ materially from that expected. Such risks and uncertainties include, amongst others, general economic and business conditions, competition, changes in political, social and economic conditions, regulatory initiatives and compliance with governmental regulations, and various other events, conditions and circumstances (including acts of god, war and terrorism). No assurance is given by the ACT Government in relation to any such statements. The ACT Government expressly disclaim any obligation or undertaking to publicly release any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statement contained herein to reflect any change in expectations or any change in events, conditions or circumstances on which any such statement is based.”

#3
wildturkeycanoe3:33 pm, 01 Jul 14

If it’s feedback they want, why don’t they simply look at the Riot Act, there are hundreds of opinions on these pages relating to the train. Unfortunately, they won’t consider an invisible train that flies through the air and costs nothing to build and run. Anything else and many people will be very angry.

#4
JessP3:54 pm, 01 Jul 14

Dont build it. Ever.

#5
switch4:02 pm, 01 Jul 14

dungfungus said :

Time to roll out the ACT Labor minority Government media release disclaimer again.

“This media release may contain statements that constitute forward-looking. These forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of forward-looking terminology, such as the words “expects”, “projects”, “plans”, “believes”, “intends”, “anticipates”, “estimates”, “stabilised”, “underwritten”, “vision”, “may”, “could”, “pro forma”, “budget”, “financial model”,”infrastructure” and analogous…

You left out “vibrant.”

#6
astrojax4:10 pm, 01 Jul 14

what are the implications for action routes if/when this light rail is completed – surely there will be capacity to service tangential routes to the main thoroughfare than as now when by the time you get into the near-civic precinct as far out as dickson there are about eleventy routes running down the strip, while the suburbs cry out against the paucity of service. will action make anything of this opportunity to service their patrons’ complaints? [rhetorical question, i presume...]

#7
rommeldog564:31 pm, 01 Jul 14

JessP said :

Dont build it. Ever.

Tisk, tisk. So much negativity.

All the answers are here for u disbelivers/negative vibe people :

http://www.actlightrail.info/2014/06/a-piece-of-krupp-indeed-anti-light-rail.html

I also note that Minister Corbell says that “no decisions have been made on the final product”.

Shouldn’t that have read “no decisions on whether to build it or not, have been made” ?

#8
VYBerlinaV8_is_back4:38 pm, 01 Jul 14

switch said :

dungfungus said :

Time to roll out the ACT Labor minority Government media release disclaimer again.

“This media release may contain statements that constitute forward-looking. These forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of forward-looking terminology, such as the words “expects”, “projects”, “plans”, “believes”, “intends”, “anticipates”, “estimates”, “stabilised”, “underwritten”, “vision”, “may”, “could”, “pro forma”, “budget”, “financial model”,”infrastructure” and analogous…

You left out “vibrant.”

And “sustainable”.

#9
Ben_Dover5:35 pm, 01 Jul 14

“As this is an early design, no decisions have been made on the final product, so this is the most opportune time to influence the end design. Please note that influence the end design” does not include the option to “stop us wasting $$$$millions on this lunatic idea which no one wants or needs.”

#10
Maya1235:43 pm, 01 Jul 14

wildturkeycanoe said :

If it’s feedback they want, why don’t they simply look at the Riot Act, there are hundreds of opinions on these pages relating to the train. Unfortunately, they won’t consider an invisible train that flies through the air and costs nothing to build and run. Anything else and many people will be very angry.

No, there is opposition here to it by a few very vocal people, not hundreds. In fact it would be rather daunting for someone to express another opinion with that much negative chatter.

#11
gooterz5:54 pm, 01 Jul 14

What colour do you want your white elephant to be?

#12
Pandy6:18 pm, 01 Jul 14

Maya123 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

If it’s feedback they want, why don’t they simply look at the Riot Act, there are hundreds of opinions on these pages relating to the train. Unfortunately, they won’t consider an invisible train that flies through the air and costs nothing to build and run. Anything else and many people will be very angry.

No, there is opposition here to it by a few very vocal people, not hundreds. In fact it would be rather daunting for someone to express another opinion with that much negative chatter.

Really?

I have said previously that they should poll the population.

In fact lets have a referendum!

#13
dungfungus6:20 pm, 01 Jul 14
#14
miz6:29 pm, 01 Jul 14

Is Ms Thomas a member of the Greens?

#15
Mr Evil6:33 pm, 01 Jul 14

gooterz said :

What colour do you want your white elephant to be?

Green, of course!

#16
davo1017:54 pm, 01 Jul 14

Ben_Dover said :

Please note that influence the end design” does not include the option to “stop us wasting $$$$millions on this lunatic idea which no one wants or needs.”

Well it does, just suggest that it should be ‘N’ scale and installed on Shane’s desk–problem solved.

#17
wildturkeycanoe8:01 am, 02 Jul 14

Pandy said :

Maya123 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

If it’s feedback they want, why don’t they simply look at the Riot Act, there are hundreds of opinions on these pages relating to the train. Unfortunately, they won’t consider an invisible train that flies through the air and costs nothing to build and run. Anything else and many people will be very angry.

No, there is opposition here to it by a few very vocal people, not hundreds. In fact it would be rather daunting for someone to express another opinion with that much negative chatter.

Really?

I have said previously that they should poll the population.

In fact lets have a referendum!

I second that motion, what do Canberran’s really think? Has there been a poll about this on RA yet? Opportunity for the moderator here so we can have some unbiased feedback on this subject to satisfy both sides, if not the government itself. Apparently we only need poll a small percentage of the population to get real results so why not try it out on a small scale here?

#18
rommeldog568:25 am, 02 Jul 14

Better watch it there wildturkeycanoe, lest u be branded as “negative”. Voicing a logic and common sense based opinion doesnt matter – just dont be negative.

Besides, there was a vote on this at the last ACT election – Labor didn’t get a majority of the vote – but combined with the Greens vote (both parties apparently supported a toy train set), that view carried.

If you want to look at the “positiveness” of the Light Rail (what I call positive spin) from Capital Light Metro and Mr Haas (who contributes here occasionally), check out the Capital Light Metro Facebook page – its all good………not much negatives there !

We just need to send all those with a dissenting or negative view off to a Light Rail re-education camp !

#19
rosscoact8:52 am, 02 Jul 14

wildturkeycanoe said :

Pandy said :

Maya123 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

If it’s feedback they want, why don’t they simply look at the Riot Act, there are hundreds of opinions on these pages relating to the train. Unfortunately, they won’t consider an invisible train that flies through the air and costs nothing to build and run. Anything else and many people will be very angry.

No, there is opposition here to it by a few very vocal people, not hundreds. In fact it would be rather daunting for someone to express another opinion with that much negative chatter.

Really?

I have said previously that they should poll the population.

In fact lets have a referendum!

I second that motion, what do Canberran’s really think? Has there been a poll about this on RA yet? Opportunity for the moderator here so we can have some unbiased feedback on this subject to satisfy both sides, if not the government itself. Apparently we only need poll a small percentage of the population to get real results so why not try it out on a small scale here?

Self-selecting polls are not representative of the entire population. I would find it astounding if the ACT government has not been doing its own (representative) polling on this topic and others.

#20
switch9:28 am, 02 Jul 14

rosscoact said :

Self-selecting polls are not representative of the entire population. I would find it astounding if the ACT government has not been doing its own (representative) polling on this topic and others.

I wouldn’t find it astounding if the government had only conducted the poll that really matters to them: how many votes do we need to form government? What does he want? Oh well, let’s play along with the silly toy train set idea.

#21
dungfungus9:30 am, 02 Jul 14

Ding Ding !
Along with the tramway will come a raft of new rules, regulations and FINES!
Link to Gold Coast instructional video on how to adapt to trams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAEUg3bMiIk&feature=youtu.be&a

#22
davo1019:34 am, 02 Jul 14

rosscoact said :

I would find it astounding if the ACT government has not been doing its own (representative) polling on this topic and others.

The response would be entirely a function of the question they asked. My personal experience from talking to people about the tram plan is that they are very positive about it. When I tell them how much it’s going to cost they start to be less positive. After explaining to them that the ACT Government priced a bus option that will give us the same benefits and cost half as much they are confused. And finally, after explaining the plan to pay for all of this is to charge an extra tax for it they are strongly opposed.

So I’m guessing somewhere between 0 and 100% support depending on how the question is worded.

#23
dungfungus9:44 am, 02 Jul 14

rosscoact said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Pandy said :

Maya123 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

If it’s feedback they want, why don’t they simply look at the Riot Act, there are hundreds of opinions on these pages relating to the train. Unfortunately, they won’t consider an invisible train that flies through the air and costs nothing to build and run. Anything else and many people will be very angry.

No, there is opposition here to it by a few very vocal people, not hundreds. In fact it would be rather daunting for someone to express another opinion with that much negative chatter.

Really?

I have said previously that they should poll the population.

In fact lets have a referendum!

I second that motion, what do Canberran’s really think? Has there been a poll about this on RA yet? Opportunity for the moderator here so we can have some unbiased feedback on this subject to satisfy both sides, if not the government itself. Apparently we only need poll a small percentage of the population to get real results so why not try it out on a small scale here?

Self-selecting polls are not representative of the entire population. I would find it astounding if the ACT government has not been doing its own (representative) polling on this topic and others.

This is precisely why the Capital Metro proposal was “invented” just before the 2012 election. Labor’s polling indicated the election would be deadlocked (or worse) so they made sure they had a plan to guarantee support of The (sole) Green for the next term.
What will probably happen now is that Labor will do more polling on the Capital Metro project and it’s fate will be determined by the acceptance or rejection of the electorate. If it is canned before the 2016 election there will some great spin accompanying the announcment.

#24
dungfungus10:01 am, 02 Jul 14

This article about what summer heat does to light rail operations is very interesting and this is when the mercury is under 100F. Imagine what will happen in Canberra (climate alarmists will be beside themselves).
The location is some place called Portland, Oregon in the USA.
Hey, isn’t that the light rail system that ACT Labor and The Green claim is the model for all light rail systems?
I did try to alert readers earlier to weather problems that can play havoc with light rail but as usual I was dismissed.
Then again, this article is from a newspaper and we shouldn’t beleieve all we read in the media.
Also, memorise the images in the headline photo. It is not the lovely Euro design tram that you will see, it is the ugly stanchions and wires. This is what we will get in once beautiful Canberra.
http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2014/07/why_trimet_automatically_slows.html

#25
davo10112:13 pm, 02 Jul 14

dungfungus said :

This article about what summer heat does to light rail operations is very interesting and this is when the mercury is under 100F. Imagine what will happen in Canberra

That doesn’t really apply to Australia. What happens in Melbourne is that the track and power system are fine but the trams give up when it gets too hot for them.

dungfungus said :

The location is some place called Portland, Oregon in the USA.
Hey, isn’t that the light rail system that ACT Labor and The Green claim is the model for all light rail systems?

Indeed it is. So if we go by the Portland model, the Federal government is going to pay for 70% of the cost and the rest will be made up by a payroll and self-employment tax on everyone who lives near it.

#26
dungfungus12:42 pm, 02 Jul 14

davo101 said :

dungfungus said :

This article about what summer heat does to light rail operations is very interesting and this is when the mercury is under 100F. Imagine what will happen in Canberra

That doesn’t really apply to Australia. What happens in Melbourne is that the track and power system are fine but the trams give up when it gets too hot for them.

dungfungus said :

The location is some place called Portland, Oregon in the USA.
Hey, isn’t that the light rail system that ACT Labor and The Green claim is the model for all light rail systems?

Indeed it is. So if we go by the Portland model, the Federal government is going to pay for 70% of the cost and the rest will be made up by a payroll and self-employment tax on everyone who lives near it.

They have speed restrictions in Melbourne too according to the article you have linked to.
Whatever effect there is in Canberra we are are going to have a dysfunctional tram service when it is hot and I have seen rail lines buckle in western NSW during hot weather.
That payroll tax/levy to fund part of the Portland light rail sounds a bit like some other payroll tax on a different thread.
Coincidence or planning?

#27
davo1011:36 pm, 02 Jul 14

dungfungus said :

They have speed restrictions in Melbourne too according to the article you have linked to.

You’re confusing trains and trams. Tram tracks are installed on a concrete slab and they are going nowhere, train tacks are installed in a bed of ballast and can buckle if the temperature gets too high.

dungfungus said :

That payroll tax/levy to fund part of the Portland light rail sounds a bit like some other payroll tax on a different thread.
Coincidence or planning?

Coincidence. We’re talking an extra tax on top of that for people deemed to live close enough to the thing to use it.

#28
MERC6003:50 pm, 02 Jul 14

davo101 said :

dungfungus said :

They have speed restrictions in Melbourne too according to the article you have linked to.

You’re confusing trains and trams. Tram tracks are installed on a concrete slab and they are going nowhere, train tacks are installed in a bed of ballast and can buckle if the temperature gets too high.

dungfungus said :

That payroll tax/levy to fund part of the Portland light rail sounds a bit like some other payroll tax on a different thread.
Coincidence or planning?

Coincidence. We’re talking an extra tax on top of that for people deemed to live close enough to the thing to use it.

Last January in the extreme heat tram lines buckled in Melbourne..
“Tennis fans were forced to walk as temperatures hovered over 40C, after tram tracks buckled on the line to the Australian Open. Heat caused chaos for fans with tram tracks severely damaged near Exhibition St, forcing diversions of routes 70 and 70a from 4pm.”

#29
davo1014:56 pm, 02 Jul 14

MERC600 said :

Last January in the extreme heat tram lines buckled in Melbourne..
“Tennis fans were forced to walk as temperatures hovered over 40C, after tram tracks buckled on the line to the Australian Open. Heat caused chaos for fans with tram tracks severely damaged near Exhibition St, forcing diversions of routes 70 and 70a from 4pm.”

Shame there is no photos of what actually broke. Probably just goes to prove that having your tracks embedded in the road doesn’t excuse you from maintenance.

#30
gooterz7:02 pm, 02 Jul 14

davo101 said :

MERC600 said :

Last January in the extreme heat tram lines buckled in Melbourne..
“Tennis fans were forced to walk as temperatures hovered over 40C, after tram tracks buckled on the line to the Australian Open. Heat caused chaos for fans with tram tracks severely damaged near Exhibition St, forcing diversions of routes 70 and 70a from 4pm.”

Shame there is no photos of what actually broke. Probably just goes to prove that having your tracks embedded in the road doesn’t excuse you from maintenance.

Its probably cheaper to have the tram out of service anyway

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