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Carbon tax – extra ACT hit

By I-filed - 5 May 2012 150

Are different arms & factions of the feds talking to each other? One lot who weighed up the carbon tax politics clearly felt that we’re a safe enough locality to add li’l ACTEW to the Clean Energy “dirty list”. Can it be a coincidence that this will hit supposed safe-Labor-seat voters in the guts?

Confusingly, another arm of the gubmint apparently decided we were wavering vote-wise and in need of pork-barrelling, hence the Manuka Oval lights announcement the other day.

Here’s the regulator’s punishment list.

So, fellow average-income-earners-not-getting-any-compensation, get set for extra nasties and carbon tax cost imposition way beyond the official calculator’s risible “$8 a week”.

What’s Your opinion?


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Carbon tax – extra ACT hit
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PantsMan 2:26 pm
05 May 12
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Yes, I noticed that. When did the ACT Government find out?

Doesn’t matter though. Come July, we’ll all be dancing in the nirvana of our “clean energy future” with all those unemployed Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency looking for “clean energy jobs of the future”.

Is it too late to call this Marxist plot to nationalise industry a bad idea?

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mr reason 2:43 pm
05 May 12
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the carbon tax will have a 0.7 per cent impact on CPI at the most. the GST resulted in a 2.5 per cent increase. no big deal. the qld floods had a bigger increase than the carbon tax will.

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2604 4:57 pm
05 May 12
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Most people want to help the environment, myself included. But a carbon tax is one of the worst and least democratic ways to do it.

A much fairer and less coercive approach would be to rely upon individual action. That is, every person who is concerned about the environment can purchase green electricity for their homes, offset their emissions using services like Greenfleet, reduce their energy consumption (better insulation, lower energy appliances and light fittings etc), and so on. Anyone who doesn’t care enough about the environment to want to pay for those things shouldn’t be forced to.

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HenryBG 5:00 pm
05 May 12
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So the GST was a three-and-a-half-times-bigger marxist plot than the Carbon tax then?

You have to laugh at these “sky-is-falling” types, with their fear of science, don’t you? Until they all vote for Tony Abbott next year. That’s not so funny.

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SnapperJack 5:56 pm
05 May 12
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mr reason said :

the carbon tax will have a 0.7 per cent impact on CPI at the most. the GST resulted in a 2.5 per cent increase. no big deal. the qld floods had a bigger increase than the carbon tax will.

The Qld floods were a one-off. The carbon tax is forever.

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PantsMan 6:32 pm
05 May 12
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SnapperJack said :

mr reason said :

the carbon tax will have a 0.7 per cent impact on CPI at the most. the GST resulted in a 2.5 per cent increase. no big deal. the qld floods had a bigger increase than the carbon tax will.

The Qld floods were a one-off. The carbon tax is forever.

And remember, the defacto government (ACT and Cth), The Greens, want the $23 per tonne increased to $120 per tonne.

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HenryBG 8:07 pm
05 May 12
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2604 said :

Most people want to help the environment, myself included. But a carbon tax is one of the worst and least democratic ways to do it.

A much fairer and less coercive approach would be to rely upon individual action. That is, every person who is concerned about the environment can purchase green electricity for their homes, offset their emissions using services like Greenfleet, reduce their energy consumption (better insulation, lower energy appliances and light fittings etc), and so on. Anyone who doesn’t care enough about the environment to want to pay for those things shouldn’t be forced to.

So, using the same model, we should all just chuck our rubbish out on the street and individuals who are concerned about the environment can tidy it up for us?

Why on earth do you think that industries should be able to externalise the costs associated with their polluting activities? Is it malice or just stupidity?

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arescarti42 8:43 pm
05 May 12
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2604 said :

Most people want to help the environment, myself included. But a carbon tax is one of the worst and least democratic ways to do it.

A much fairer and less coercive approach would be to rely upon individual action. That is, every person who is concerned about the environment can purchase green electricity for their homes, offset their emissions using services like Greenfleet, reduce their energy consumption (better insulation, lower energy appliances and light fittings etc), and so on. Anyone who doesn’t care enough about the environment to want to pay for those things shouldn’t be forced to.

Right, because that’s been working really well for the world so far…

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gooterz 10:38 pm
05 May 12
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HenryBG said :

2604 said :

Most people want to help the environment, myself included. But a carbon tax is one of the worst and least democratic ways to do it.

A much fairer and less coercive approach would be to rely upon individual action. That is, every person who is concerned about the environment can purchase green electricity for their homes, offset their emissions using services like Greenfleet, reduce their energy consumption (better insulation, lower energy appliances and light fittings etc), and so on. Anyone who doesn’t care enough about the environment to want to pay for those things shouldn’t be forced to.

So, using the same model, we should all just chuck our rubbish out on the street and individuals who are concerned about the environment can tidy it up for us?

Why on earth do you think that industries should be able to externalise the costs associated with their polluting activities? Is it malice or just stupidity?

100 Tons of CO2 are produced by all humans breathing per second! (makes up about 10% of total human emissions.)

Half a ton a year per person. $11.50 or $60 if the greens get their way.
Can’t wait till they start taxing us when we breath. Perhaps those largest will have to pay extra, or perhaps those sporty types they produce a fair amount of CO2.

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pandaman 3:20 am
06 May 12
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HenryBG said :

So the GST was a three-and-a-half-times-bigger marxist plot than the Carbon tax then?

You have to laugh at these “sky-is-falling” types, with their fear of science, don’t you? Until they all vote for Tony Abbott next year. That’s not so funny.

Well, It’s an interesting thought as to whether the carbon tax is a marxist device or not. The carbon tax is a socialist attempt at using a distinctly capitalsitic method of market manipulation to achieve a goal, to whit, a significant increase in the uptake of green energy sources. The stated goal of the whole thing being revenue neutral is total bullshit of course, as the bureaucracy of implementation and administration will incur a significant overhead. It’s distinctly socialist in that the government is using this piece of market manipulating legislation as a wealth re-distribution scheme, punishing the upper middle class to deliver large subsidies to the “working classes”. Dude, if only they had the media nouse to capitalise on it properly, it’d be a vote spinner for sure. But, unless the ALP can pull a serious rabbit out of the hat to effectively neutralise the negative PR effects of the Slipper and Thompson scandals along with half a dozen other spotfires, we appear to be doomed to the Honorable Tony Abbott MP, becoming the Right Honorable at some point next year. Fuggit, what a way to become PM, as a borderline intellectual deficient voted in due to even greater idiocy on behalf of the other lot, after they’ve managed to get a seriously interesting and potentially effective piece of legislation through.

So HenryBG, do you have any specific thoughts on the carbon tax, and whether you think it will deliver a good deal for you personally? There’s a lot of confusion about the potential effects of the tax among the community as a whole, and by your tone, you seem to have a very well defined set of views. Care to take the time to expound those views of a Sunday morning?

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chewy14 10:56 am
06 May 12
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HenryBG said :

So the GST was a three-and-a-half-times-bigger marxist plot than the Carbon tax then?

You have to laugh at these “sky-is-falling” types, with their fear of science, don’t you? Until they all vote for Tony Abbott next year. That’s not so funny.

No, you have to laugh at the people who think the Carbon tax is going to make any lick of difference whilst the worlds biggest emitters are.doing sweet FA. Fantastic policy.

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2604 11:49 am
06 May 12
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HenryBG said :

So, using the same model, we should all just chuck our rubbish out on the street and individuals who are concerned about the environment can tidy it up for us?

But people generally don’t chuck their rubbish out on the street, because they agree that the environmental costs of doing so are unacceptable and the cost of avoiding this environmental damage – putting rubbish in a bin – is low.

There is nowhere near that level of consensus in relation to renewable energy. People either aren’t sufficiently convinced about the environmental costs of fossil fuel use or find the costs of alternatives too high. The fact that only about 10% of Qantas travellers are prepared to pay to offset the carbon emissions associated with their travel is an example of how few people are concerned enough about environmental issues to reach into their own pockets to address them.

HenryBG said :

Why on earth do you think that industries should be able to externalise the costs associated with their polluting activities? Is it malice or just stupidity?

Industries will continue to “externalise the costs associated with their polluting activities” under a carbon tax, by passing those costs on to consumers. They will also bear significant compliance costs which will also be passed on to consumers. Some of these costs can be minimised (switching to green energy etc) but again those costs will be passed to consumers.

Speaking of “malice”, you might want to turn the megaphone down a notch or two. Refraining from calling people you don’t agree with “stupid” and invoking Tony Abbott at every opportunity would be a good start.

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mr reason 11:52 am
06 May 12
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“No, you have to laugh at the people who think the Carbon tax is going to make any lick of difference whilst the worlds biggest emitters are.doing sweet FA. Fantastic policy.”

No, we’re the world’s biggest emitter per capita. If we don’t do anything, why should anyone else.

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mr reason 1:08 pm
06 May 12
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“100 Tons of CO2 are produced by all humans breathing per second! (makes up about 10% of total human emissions.)

Half a ton a year per person. $11.50 or $60 if the greens get their way.
Can’t wait till they start taxing us when we breath. Perhaps those largest will have to pay extra, or perhaps those sporty types they produce a fair amount of CO2.”

Is this just a classic riot act troll, or are you just so completely misinformed? There would be no point in taxing anyone for breathing. The whole point of the carbon price is to make carbon intensive forms of energy more expensive relative to low carbon sources.

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switch 2:27 pm
06 May 12
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mr reason said :

No, we’re the world’s biggest emitter per capita. If we don’t do anything, why should anyone else.

When will this meme go away? We’re not even in the top ten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

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