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Children neglected

By 26 June 2008 92

Reports of a woman neglecting her 4 children in an Ainslie residence have her facing Court thismorning. Details are provided by ACT Police media here, the Canberra Times here and News.com here.

ACT Police attended the residence re reports she had breached a protection order and found the children living in squalor.

Reports state ACT care and protection attempted to remove the children back in 2005 and were denied by the Courts. They had since been checking in on them. The Crimes also reports of a simliar incident in SA.

One wonders if the incident of the twins dying in QLD will prompt the Courts to take action sooner in relation to neglect of small children.

Where is the best place for children as parents are deemed the best option although in severly dysfunctional households this is clearly not in the best interests of the child and foster care has a bad rep aswell. discuss

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Children neglected
peterh 11:14 am
26 Jun 08
#1

What I want to know, is when does a parent decide to let their kids take second place? If you can’t handle everything that is going on, ask for help. My wife was struggling to cope with the twins when they were newborn, I couldn’t take much time off to help, and a wonderful carer group stepped in after we called them. They are a church based organisation, and weren’t judgmental of us, they honestly wanted to help. Since then, one of the carers has become a trusted friend to us and godmother to the twins.

If we had not asked for help, perhaps the outcome would have been different.

I have had to skip meals to allow the purchase of essentials for my kids (large amounts of nappies / formula etc), but that was my choice and something that I felt I had to do.

I was carrying a bit of extra weight at the time, so I could survive on body fat :->

Clown Killer 11:30 am
26 Jun 08
#2

What I want to know, is when does a parent decide to let their kids take second place?

One word Peter. Drugs. Not always, but a hell of a lot of the time. I also think that there’s going to be more to this story than whats in the public domain at present.

I to find it hard to understand how any parent can neglect the fundamental duty of care that they have to their children.

Thumper 11:42 am
26 Jun 08
#3

Seriously, some people should not breed.

peterh 11:56 am
26 Jun 08
#4

Thumper said :

Seriously, some people should not breed.

unfortunately, they do. what needs to be instilled into these people is: “get a backbone! doesn’t end when you pull your pants up / roll over etc” you are responsible for a LIFE!

why do they have these kids then ignore them? mine delight me every day – my 3yo painting the walls brown (eeeew) was a bit of a surprise, but I am working full time, so missed the clean up, just the description.

i have mates that were into the drug scene, grew up, had kids, and their priorities changed. the priorities were drummed into them by their parents. they knew that kids came first everything else second.

the one time I have seen a child in neglect, I was horrified and saddened by the fact that the parents did not initially ask for help. The mum had had a nervous breakdown, the dad had tried his best to continue looking after the kids. I stepped in after he asked for help, and they are fine now, after a lot of hard work. I did not judge them, I just helped out where they needed it. (and at that stage, I wasn’t even a parent)

maybe the ACT government should put some of the “Budget surplus” into an ad campaign saying:

IF YOU CAN’T COPE, ASK FOR HELP!
contact act health for more info…..

smokey4 11:58 am
26 Jun 08
#5

Unfortunately Thumper they breed quite well. This a society problem and is managed by to many govt departments. ie Facsia, Centrelink, HIC state and in other places local government agencies plus several charities. Sort of works on the basis that one agency will get it right. There is no cheap fix. Society does not value the time and effort to correct the problem.

Mr Evil 12:09 pm
26 Jun 08
#6

$5000/newborn kid – why wouldn’t these muppets breed!

The reality is that $5000 doesn’t go very far if you spend it on drugs, alcohol, ciggies, bingo or lotto!

A hot poker up the coit/schlong for all of them!!!!!

peterh 12:24 pm
26 Jun 08
#7

smokey4 said :

Unfortunately Thumper they breed quite well. This a society problem and is managed by to many govt departments. ie Facsia, Centrelink, HIC state and in other places local government agencies plus several charities. Sort of works on the basis that one agency will get it right. There is no cheap fix. Society does not value the time and effort to correct the problem.

Smokey4, I have been involved in several programs over the years, YMCA, Youth Insearch, church groups etc. I value the time and effort, as i have had to use carers who were volunteers. the bigger problem is that there is a lack of education in the schooling system about what happens with kids when you are a parent. there is emphasis on sex ed, and pregnancy / birth, but nothing on changing nappies, burping, waking for feeds at 1 am, 3am, 5am, then going to work / school with less than 3 hours sleep.
perhaps if the day to day experience of being a parent was drummed into the next generation, less people would rush in to being a parent.

Absent Diane 12:42 pm
26 Jun 08
#8

mr evil you beat me to the punch line..

there 3 types of people that have kids.. those that want them, those that can’t think for themselves and think it is what they are supposed to do and those that just want the baby bonus.

I-filed 12:43 pm
26 Jun 08
#9

Thanks peterh – often these cases are mental illness, and neighbours should be helping, not tut-tutting.

Whatsup 12:55 pm
26 Jun 08
#10

Mental illness and / or drugs could easily be catalyst of this situation. Lets hope the people involved get all the support they need to sort themselves out and the children are given the care and tools required to stop the cycle continuing.

Ralph 12:59 pm
26 Jun 08
#11

Thankyou, Mr Whitlam.

Blame the welfare state for these degenerates.

Snahons_scv6_berlina 1:42 pm
26 Jun 08
#12

AD, there are really only 2 types of people that have kids, those that are responsible and those that aren’t.

Clown Killer 1:49 pm
26 Jun 08
#13

You don’t have to go back to Whitlam. Howard was singlehandedly responsible for building the greatest nanny-welfare state since federation – it’s going to take decades to pull that appart.

chaton 1:50 pm
26 Jun 08
#14

It makes me sad that there are so many amazing people who can’t have children, who would be the most amazing parents, and then a bunch of idiots breeding and bringing kids into the world in an awful cycle of abuse, neglect etc

Mr_Shab 2:07 pm
26 Jun 08
#15

Good one Ralph. We all know that before Whitlam, no-one ever neglected their children, got addicted to drugs or alcohol, or engaged in any type of crime.

Roadrage77 2:11 pm
26 Jun 08
#16

I’m getting a little off the topic, but I think the simplest way to eradicate such scum is to go out on the streets and shoot anyone wearing a bum-bag. Maybe the people who culled the kangaroos could get the job done.

Probably wouldn’t hurt if they gave the baby bonus out by way of food & clothing vouchers, although I guess they’d just end up selling these for $$$$ anyway.

Deadmandrinking 2:17 pm
26 Jun 08
#17

Ah, Ralph, nice to have you back with your militant right-wing diatribe that makes other right-wingers slowly back away…

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a case of mental illness myself. Living in squalor is a symptom of quite a few disorders an the additional charges lead me to believe she may suffer from violent delusions.

I don’t think just finger-pointing and trying to decide who should breed and who shouldn’t is going to help the situation at all. That’s the commercial media’s style of adressing problems.

Mental illness is alive and well in the Canberra community. It has many victims beyond the person who suffers it. Stigmatizing sufferers and excluding them from society will not help.

This woman sounds like she does need to be in an institution, as she evidently cannot care for herself in this state, let alone others. I hope she is able to be get the help she needs through the legal system, for her kids sake as well as hers.

Affirmative Action M 2:32 pm
26 Jun 08
#18

You wonder how on earth the housing authorities let the premises get to the conditions they do without taking action. I would have thought that a commission house that looks like the local garbage tip is a good indicator of problems.

peterh 2:32 pm
26 Jun 08
#19

Deadmandrinking said :

Ah, Ralph, nice to have you back with your militant right-wing diatribe that makes other right-wingers slowly back away…

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a case of mental illness myself. Living in squalor is a symptom of quite a few disorders an the additional charges lead me to believe she may suffer from violent delusions.

I don’t think just finger-pointing and trying to decide who should breed and who shouldn’t is going to help the situation at all. That’s the commercial media’s style of adressing problems.

Mental illness is alive and well in the Canberra community. It has many victims beyond the person who suffers it. Stigmatizing sufferers and excluding them from society will not help.

This woman sounds like she does need to be in an institution, as she evidently cannot care for herself in this state, let alone others. I hope she is able to be get the help she needs through the legal system, for her kids sake as well as hers.

the problem is that there are many people in this situation, some of which get chucked into ainslie village, where their problems grow, manifesting into something far worse than when they arrived there in the first place.

Perhaps the tax dollars could go into setting up managed care facilities like marymead where the parents could be helped in getting into society again – some families are the way they are through neglect that they have suffered as children – broken homes etc, or run away kids, and the govt seems to avoid them, instead sending money overseas for aid, not sorting out the problems in their own backyard.

how many people notice the old guys in their cardboard boxes in civic? is the red cross kitchen still open?

why are we avoiding the problems of our own people and building schools in china?

illyria 2:52 pm
26 Jun 08
#20

There are various agencies in Canberra providing support to parents who are unable to cope. Marymead, Barnardos and Gallilea to name a few. Parents are able to ask for help and obtain crisis or respite care for periods up to 21 days at a time without Care and Protection services becoming involved. These agencies and other organisations like the Salvation Army and Centacare are out in droves trying to support families.

There is plenty of support available, but many people do not ask for it, or want it.

There are also plenty of children in Canberra who have been removed from their families when support was not enough due to concerns about the parents ability to meet their needs, but the Courts have ordered them home under supervision from Care and Protection. I guess this was the story with the kids in Ainslie.

Unfortunately, the legacy of the Stolen Generations is still influencing how we treat the removal of any children now. There is hope however that the new ACT Childrens Act which comes in in the next few months will make it harder for the Courts to apply the “Best interests of the child” principle as always remaining with the birth family (even if they do not feed them and keep them warm and clean).

My understanding is that under the new Act, the Ainslie mum would be given a maximum of 2 years to get her act together or the kids would be placed on orders until they were 18.

By the way, there are some excellent foster carers in the ACT who have had great successes with often challenging children. Please don’t tar them all with a bad brush.

peterh 3:01 pm
26 Jun 08
#21

Affirmative Action Man said :

You wonder how on earth the housing authorities let the premises get to the conditions they do without taking action. I would have thought that a commission house that looks like the local garbage tip is a good indicator of problems.

sorry, double post….

try doing that to a private rental and see how long you last. I can guarantee that you would be out on your ear…

OzChick 3:05 pm
26 Jun 08
#22

More details have emerged… Sad…

“A COURT has been told police searching the house of a Canberra woman charged with child neglect found knives in clothes, dog faeces in the shower and a decaying pot roast in the oven.

Police also discovered children huddling together trying to keep warm in front of the TV, the court heard.”

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23925602-421,00.html

Mr Evil 3:06 pm
26 Jun 08
#23

I hope she does time for this: those women in prison will make her wake up to herself.

GnT 3:10 pm
26 Jun 08
#24

The father (or fathers?) of these children has also negelected to provide basic care. I hope they find him and arrest him too.

Roadrage77 3:13 pm
26 Jun 08
#25

OzChick said :

More details have emerged… Sad…

“A COURT has been told police searching the house of a Canberra woman charged with child neglect found knives in clothes, dog faeces in the shower and a decaying pot roast in the oven.

Police also discovered children huddling together trying to keep warm in front of the TV, the court heard.”

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23925602-421,00.html

Sad indeeed. Brings a tear to my eye to hear of a good pot roast being wasted.

Thumper 3:15 pm
26 Jun 08
#26

This woman sounds like she does need to be in an institution

True, very true. The problem is that these institutions were closed some 10-15 years ago in favour of letting people integrate with society.

This policy was an abjective failure and the reason why we see people like this woman living as she is. In reality it’s no different from the two miscreants in South Australia who were found with a dozen or so malnourished kids.

DJ 3:23 pm
26 Jun 08
#27

Looking at the state of the yard why didn’t the neighbours make that call earlier…..

Jail wont help the kiddies – I think it is deserved but the kids will always suffer from what has been done. Mum shouldn’t be allowed (by society) to have unaccompanied access to her kids when she gets out of the big house.

I-filed 4:10 pm
26 Jun 08
#28

Katie Gallagher just said on air that the children were “well cared for” … what do you expect, from the Minister who “consults with the drug using community” as though they are her social peers. Fool.

MelonHead 4:13 pm
26 Jun 08
#29

Tell me I didn’t just hear Katy G on ABC radio saying words to the effect that there was no problem here, and that the authorities had been in touch with the family “as late as last Wedndesday”

She can’t be that stupid, or mislead by her advisers. FFS!!

It was the 4pm radio news on 666 Thursday

Mr Evil 4:25 pm
26 Jun 08
#30

MelonHead said :

She can’t be that stupid, or mislead by her advisers.

Yep, that’s “our” Katy!

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