15 June 2006

Civil union disallowance debate kicks off

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AAP, via News, is reporting that the Senate has begun to debate the Greens counter-disallowance of the Federal Government striking down the ACT’s civil union legislation.

It appears that the debate has been successfully brought on by the Government (if it hadn’t the disallowance would have automatically taken place after 15 sitting days) so that’s a major tactical loss for the Greens.

Senator Humphries says he disagrees with the Government but it’s still unclear if he will vote against it or make a cowardly abstention.

UPDATED: No link yet but our commenters report that the vote was won by the Government 32-30. Gary Humphries had the courage of his convictions and voted against the Government, the first Liberal to vote against the Government since John Howard became Prime Minister. It’ll be interesting to see how the rank and file Liberals respond to that come pre-selection time.

Ahah! The ABC now has the story.

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Unfair Roland. If you don’t yet understand how factional deals in one state can have nothing to do with factions in other states, then it’s a sad indication of the current level of ignorance in the ACT Greens. Clearly if the other factions in the other states felt the same way, they would have all done deals with Family First as well.

Btw, I’m in Andrew’s faction, I’m not in favour of the deal done in Victoria, and I generally quite like the Greens.

One Labor one Liberal is not locked in stone for the ACT. Kerrie Tucker would have won the Senate seat from Gary Humphries if the Liberal vote had been as low as 30% at the last election… which it was in the early 1990s.

The vote yesterday might have been different if Labor right (Andrew Barr’s faction) hadn’t done a secret deal with Family First in Victoria and the Greens David Rystrom (with 3 times FF’s primary vote)was elected in 2004.

Simto…..if you always vote “one liberal, one labour’…..that’s an informal vote heeheehee

The introduction of the civil union legislation was an election commitment at the last ACT election.

It was pretty much comprehensively killed as an election issue when Labour decided to go bipartisan on the last “defence of marriage” farrago.

And I do vaguely remember some form of gay rights being vigourously protested against by the churchies before the last territory election – although this might have been the more contentious area of gay adoption.

It was pretty much comprehensively killed as an election issue when Labour decided to go bipartisan on the last “defence of marriage” farrago.

And I do vaguely remember some form of gay rights being vigourously protested against by the churchies before the last election – although this might have been the more contentious area of gay adoption.

well to be fair I very much doubt very many people who gave the Liberals the big 1 over the line on the senate ballot thought they were voting for civil unions.

Absent Diane5:17 pm 15 Jun 06

yeah democracy isn’t really democracy

Well, in the Senate we always vote one liberal, one labour. And our one liberal happened to cross the floor. So voting on this single issue won’t actually change anything

I suppose it’s a case of “If you live in Queenbeyan, vote labour”.

ACT always votes Labor so what’s different.

Absent Diane3:39 pm 15 Jun 06

I can understand and even appreciate that… but I also think it is insane… and I somehow don’t think it is going to persuade any donut punchers or carpet lickers to change their preference…. it is so illogical!!!

Want more people.. what about helping balance the overpopulation of everywhere else and loosening the tighteners on our borders..

Demographics is destiny and we populate or perish.

The Government wants people to team up in breeding pairs and is willing to penalise anyone who doesn’t want to join the program.

That’s basically where the government is coming from on it.

Absent Diane3:27 pm 15 Jun 06

Can anyone give me any REAL negative implications of allowing what the ACT gov has tried push through. Seriously it so ridiculous.

well i suppose as long as this is something that will keep on… and doesn’t get forgotten, all is not lost.

If Simon cans top calling the Federales homophobes for a minute he might be able to sit down and work out the limits of what they find acceptable.

Realistically though this was about forcing Labor to vote for gay marriage so the Government would probably like to keep doing this again and again.

Simon seems likely to oblige them.

well that sux. so what happens now?

Simto – Humphries crossed the floor. I never thought he’d have the balls to oppose his master . . .

It wasn’t bloody Latham’s fault. The whole ALP machine didn’t seriously examine the possibility of losing the Senate until the polling booths closed.

Do you seriously think Beazley would have had a better result if he was leader back then?

The Senate doesn’t vote along State lines Govt majority or not.

Maybe instead of pushing the Civil Union barrow further the attack should be to have a referendum in order to alter the Constitution so that the Territories are granted full State rights so that the Federal Executive cannot arbitrarily disallow Territory legislation.

So what did Humphries do?

James-T-Kirk1:33 pm 15 Jun 06

In reflection, I would love to have somebody exaplin how what I just saw in the Senate was a “State Review Step”. Looked more like pure party line numbers steamed over the decision.

House of review my arse!

James-T-Kirk1:23 pm 15 Jun 06

32 said no, 30 said yes – the ruling stands

See- We actually don’t have self government at all.

Bummer – Now, where were all of those NCDC staff? Do they want their jobs back?

You can watch/listen to the debate live as I have been doing for the past hour or so at http://www.aph.gov.au/live/webcast1.asp

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