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Data center in doubt?

By 23 October 2008 14

MIS Australia has a Fin Review story warning us there are no promises about Canberra getting Commonwealth data centres.

The Minister for Finance Lindsay Tanner has noticed that Queanbeyan is rather closer to Parliament House than much of the ACT. (Not that MPs need raw access to the data however important they might think they are.

The developer behind the whole Tuggeranong power station debacle is Technical Real Estate (TRE) and they’re already muttering darkly about upping stumps if they don’t get exactly what they want.

Any ties between TRE and ALP inc? It would explain a lot…

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Data center in doubt?
VYBerlinaV8_the_one_ 10:24 am
23 Oct 08
#1

It’s worth bearing in mind that Canberra is very light on in data centre space at the moment, and at least one major govco data centre is shutting shop in the next couple of years. Unless more data centre space starts getting built now, such space will become very expensive, which is not a good outcome for us taxpayers.

verbalkint 11:01 am
23 Oct 08
#2

TRE haven’t made any donations over $1,300 to the ACT ALP since the 2004 election – and all of the major donors are easily identifiable (Unions, Clubs).

So nothing much to support the ALP ties (at an ACT level anyway).

johnboy 11:06 am
23 Oct 08
#3

ALP inc is a much bigger beast than that.

Between the State branch investment vehicles and the industry super funds (offices adjoining the ALP on Sussex Street) it’s getting hard to find much they don’t have a finger in.

caf 11:11 am
23 Oct 08
#4

RiotACT could always invest $30 in obtaining a company extract

Whatsup 11:27 am
23 Oct 08
#5

Money for large commercial projects is in short supply right now with the global economic issues going on. Any source of funds is going to look closer at any project than they did before and want to see lots of “fat” in the deal before they touch it. Maybe a better deal has appeared over the border and the financiers think its safer.

johnboy 11:29 am
23 Oct 08
#6

Maybe, but right now it looks like a good old fashioned scare campaign to get their way.

peterh 11:56 am
23 Oct 08
#7

there are 31 data centres located within the ACT – gershon report is pretty handy for some things….

Within the ACT the total identified capacity is 8,316 m² with an unused capacity of 1,463 m² (17.6%). However, 18 data centres within the ACT have identified as having 10 m² or less available capacity. Where the agency is not in an existing shared facility any unused capacity is not transferable to another agency for use.

fnaah 12:23 pm
23 Oct 08
#8

Peterh, does that include government departmental datacentres, or just commercial ones?

peterh 12:30 pm
23 Oct 08
#9

fnaah said :

Peterh, does that include government departmental datacentres, or just commercial ones?

that is just the government departmental datacentres. (covering 16 agencies, not including Defence)

the number of industry commercial datacentres is not known. I can ask the datacentre users group about it, they may have access to the figures…

Hamilton 1:35 pm
23 Oct 08
#10

Ive heard that Cybertrust (i think they are now called Verizon Business) is not far away from opening a large purpose built data centre in Canberra.

Has anyone else heard anything about it?

peterh 1:53 pm
23 Oct 08
#11

Hamilton said :

Ive heard that Cybertrust (i think they are now called Verizon Business) is not far away from opening a large purpose built data centre in Canberra.

Has anyone else heard anything about it?

i had heard that it was to be an upgrade from the current facility, but not much more info than that.

and yes, they are Verizon business, now.

deezagood 7:36 am
24 Oct 08
#12

Not sure about links between TRE and ALP, but why did ACTewAGL (which definately has links to the current Labor government – Stanhope, Mackay, Costello et al) choose Technical Real Estate INC (which wasn’t actually formed until after the dodgy deals had been done) to undertake this project? This question is particularly interesting, noting that TRE INC had NO experience in developing and managing data centres – and in fact they still don’t. Hmmm – methinks some jobs for the boys.

If the data centre project had been done properly from the outset, construction would have commenced by now (on a more appropriate site). Don’t get me started …

peterh 9:02 am
24 Oct 08
#13

deezagood said :

Not sure about links between TRE and ALP, but why did ACTewAGL (which definately has links to the current Labor government – Stanhope, Mackay, Costello et al) choose Technical Real Estate INC (which wasn’t actually formed until after the dodgy deals had been done) to undertake this project? This question is particularly interesting, noting that TRE INC had NO experience in developing and managing data centres – and in fact they still don’t. Hmmm – methinks some jobs for the boys.

If the data centre project had been done properly from the outset, construction would have commenced by now (on a more appropriate site). Don’t get me started …

the technical real estate consortia is made up of a commercial real estate outfit – they will be selling the space, and a datacentre builder. They will be the maintenance and technology partner. no jobs for the boys, but a very different approach to marketing a datacentre.

whistle 9:34 am
24 Oct 08
#14

TRE seem to be top heavy with real estate agents. http://www.technicalrealestate.com.au/management.htm

Stephen Ellis: “He has extensive experience in client liaison and team management for general consultancy work, investment advice, valuation and marketing activities”

Andrew Campbell: “Andrew is a Licensed Real Estate agent.”

TRE is a subsidiary of Thakrall – a company that seems to have more of a track record in hotels and the like than in datacentres. http://www.thakral.com.au/

After the 2008 election there are 10 MLAs who think these real estate agents have picked the wrong real estate. The investors are not going to be happy with the agents.

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