24 May 2011

Don't have a domestic in your grow house

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ACT Policing has arrested and charged a 24-year-old Griffith man after finding a quantity of cannabis plants in his house last night (Monday, May 23).

Police were called to the house around 9pm after reports of a possible disturbance. At the house, police spoke to the man who advised that he was the only person in the house.

Officers entered the house and located a hydroponic system and nine large cannabis plants growing in a bedroom.

The resident, who until that time had been assisting police with their investigation, then lunged at an officer with a syringe. The man was escorted from the house where a violent scuffle took place with the man attempting to kick and head-butt officers.

The man was conveyed to the ACT Watch House and will face the ACT Magistrates Court later today after being charged with cultivating a trafficable quantity of cannabis for sale, and obstructing a territory public official (knowingly).

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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shadow boxer4:13 pm 30 May 11

Buzz said Your right, I did. But only out of a good natured heart. I was looking out for the greater community.

That is so stupid it would be funny if this wasn’t such a sad thread picking on a family that has grave fears for their sons and brothers survival.

Just concede the police had options that they don’t appear to have explored, the lad ultimately needed to be charged and let it rest.

Violet,

As much as I have been sympathetic to your cause …….
This is a fight you are not going to win on an internet forum. Rather than preaching to people you will never know or meet, why not spend some time with your brother.

Ranting and raving on here just makes you sound like a child having a tantrum who is determined to have the last say.

During this time of need your time and resources are better spent elsewhere.

Yep and your wonder Captain wished my son dead. There was also another member (Buzz I think) who commented that he should be put down – yet I am the one of moral bankruptcy? Would an upstanding member of our armed forces EVER break a law, wish death or injury upon another or god forbid have a psychosis? Hell yes.

Your right, I did. But only out of a good natured heart. I was looking out for the greater community.

I understand your frustration, but taking it out on the Police is the wrong way to do it. Take it out on ACT Mental Health, their the ones that can’t be bothered or don’t have the resources to properly care for people.

One thing you have to wonder is, if this was to happen in NSW what would happen? If this was to happen in Vic, what would happen? There would be the same reaction to the original call by Police, he would be put in front of a magistrate and put in a Mental Health ward until they can find the right drugs to balance him out or turn him into a vegetable.

There’s no point you u getting upset with everyone’s opinion’s here, it is their opinions, they have different one’s to you, they also have the benefit of not having an emotional connection to the bloke who it is about.

Whats the point of you continuing this thread? You’re just getting yourself worked up, with no benefit, if it is your outlet and makes you feel a little better to talk about it, relatively annomously, then sure I understand that, but maybe you should find someone to really talk to about this?

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

Unfortunately, internal/external complaints processes & civil law (if you have the money) are, for the most part, the only options available when a Statutory authority does something wrong. The news report says negligence was proven. You have previously quoted a Police Media Release as being the truth so what is different here?

Big difference:

Media release = primary source (what is said)
News report – secondary source (reporting and condensing what was said)

Kind of basic academic research 101 there… to invoke your earlier arrogant quip.

Also I would like to say how absolutely disgusting it was of you to wish, to actually wish, that a colleague of Capt RAAF, a member of our armed forces and a member of our society, should have PTSD. Absolutely low and abhorrent behaviour and again indicative of the sociopathic defensive mechanisms I spoke of earlier that you exhibit.
I for one hope none of Capt RAAF’s colleagues in the RAAF, past, present or future, suffer from PTSD, for they have done nothing wrong and nothing that would deserve such a thing.

It is a person of corrupt judgement and moral bankruptcy who would wish harm on another.

Yep and your wonder Captain wished my son dead. There was also another member (Buzz I think) who commented that he should be put down – yet I am the one of moral bankruptcy? Would an upstanding member of our armed forces EVER break a law, wish death or injury upon another or god forbid have a psychosis? Hell yes.

Your grandiose delusions are getting scary and stink of misplaced superiority – especially to someone like me who believes all members of society are of equal value and have a place in this world.

BTW – A media release is a hastily written, condensed version of an event presented to or by the “media” designed to “pull people’s interest into a story” which it obviously did for you.

PS. I’m glad my previous “quip” about your seondary school quotations on civil law annoyed you so much. Peace Out

colourful sydney racing identity2:46 pm 30 May 11

creative_canberran said :

She may have though attracted a more respectful tone had she shown the respect due for the community in the first place.

Do you read Captain RAAF(sic)’s posts?????

creative_canberran2:38 pm 30 May 11

shadow boxer said :

So how would you judge someone who chose to publicly pick a fight with the mother of a mentally ill young man who has just been arrested after a phychotic episode ?

She chose to put forward her views on a public forum, views I might add that from the outset attack a broad selection of people in the community. Her views are not absolved from reasonable critique by virtue of her relationship with the offender. She may have though attracted a more respectful tone had she shown the respect due for the community in the first place.

colourful sydney racing identity2:01 pm 30 May 11

shadow boxer said :

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

Unfortunately, internal/external complaints processes & civil law (if you have the money) are, for the most part, the only options available when a Statutory authority does something wrong. The news report says negligence was proven. You have previously quoted a Police Media Release as being the truth so what is different here?

Big difference:

Media release = primary source (what is said)
News report – secondary source (reporting and condensing what was said)

Kind of basic academic research 101 there… to invoke your earlier arrogant quip.

Also I would like to say how absolutely disgusting it was of you to wish, to actually wish, that a colleague of Capt RAAF, a member of our armed forces and a member of our society, should have PTSD. Absolutely low and abhorrent behaviour and again indicative of the sociopathic defensive mechanisms I spoke of earlier that you exhibit.
I for one hope none of Capt RAAF’s colleagues in the RAAF, past, present or future, suffer from PTSD, for they have done nothing wrong and nothing that would deserve such a thing.

It is a person of corrupt judgement and moral bankruptcy who would wish harm on another.

So how would you judge someone who chose to publicly pick a fight with the mother of a mentally ill young man who has just been arrested after a phychotic episode ?

+ 1 dog act.

shadow boxer1:37 pm 30 May 11

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

Unfortunately, internal/external complaints processes & civil law (if you have the money) are, for the most part, the only options available when a Statutory authority does something wrong. The news report says negligence was proven. You have previously quoted a Police Media Release as being the truth so what is different here?

Big difference:

Media release = primary source (what is said)
News report – secondary source (reporting and condensing what was said)

Kind of basic academic research 101 there… to invoke your earlier arrogant quip.

Also I would like to say how absolutely disgusting it was of you to wish, to actually wish, that a colleague of Capt RAAF, a member of our armed forces and a member of our society, should have PTSD. Absolutely low and abhorrent behaviour and again indicative of the sociopathic defensive mechanisms I spoke of earlier that you exhibit.
I for one hope none of Capt RAAF’s colleagues in the RAAF, past, present or future, suffer from PTSD, for they have done nothing wrong and nothing that would deserve such a thing.

It is a person of corrupt judgement and moral bankruptcy who would wish harm on another.

So how would you judge someone who chose to publicly pick a fight with the mother of a mentally ill young man who has just been arrested after a phychotic episode ?

creative_canberran1:28 pm 30 May 11

Violet68 said :

Unfortunately, internal/external complaints processes & civil law (if you have the money) are, for the most part, the only options available when a Statutory authority does something wrong. The news report says negligence was proven. You have previously quoted a Police Media Release as being the truth so what is different here?

Big difference:

Media release = primary source (what is said)
News report – secondary source (reporting and condensing what was said)

Kind of basic academic research 101 there… to invoke your earlier arrogant quip.

Also I would like to say how absolutely disgusting it was of you to wish, to actually wish, that a colleague of Capt RAAF, a member of our armed forces and a member of our society, should have PTSD. Absolutely low and abhorrent behaviour and again indicative of the sociopathic defensive mechanisms I spoke of earlier that you exhibit.
I for one hope none of Capt RAAF’s colleagues in the RAAF, past, present or future, suffer from PTSD, for they have done nothing wrong and nothing that would deserve such a thing.

It is a person of corrupt judgement and moral bankruptcy who would wish harm on another.

The conclusions you just jumped to are paranoid, judgmental and irrelevant.

A lot of anger, defenciveness and blame projection in your response. Not a good sign.

Three parties were found to have not met the standard of care required. It is dishonest of you to say they have been “proven negligent” until such time as the court determines the percentages.

And given that you don’t care about the difference between criminal and civil, whatever credibility you had left just disintegrated.

Yep, I find ignorance and comments about shooting someone I love aggravating.

Unfortunately, internal/external complaints processes & civil law (if you have the money) are, for the most part, the only options available when a Statutory authority does something wrong. The news report says negligence was proven. You have previously quoted a Police Media Release as being the truth so what is different here?

Anyway, I have better things to do and prefer to live my life through experience rather than what I can quote out of text books. As for blame and projection, you’ve done a pretty good job at that yourself. Cheers

creative_canberran9:58 am 30 May 11

Violet68 said :

You were clearly trying to label the Police as guilty parties or at least make such an inference.

Yes indeed I was. There were 3 parties who were proven to be negligent in this case. I don’t give a toss whether it was civil or criminal…..the case was proven by law.

However, I directed the comment at Captain RAAF as he had earlier raised the subject of putting a bullet in my son’s head. This news story has a similar thread although I think the bullet was in the neck. A Police Officer shot the bloke whilst he was having a psychosis. Negligence has been proven and he will be compensated for it. Again, I am simply adding different perspectives to the discussion. Something that seems to be unacceptable to you.

If you had bothered to read my response to my son’s neighbour, you would realise that I do not despise the general public or society in general. I work within the system and with people on a daily basis in a social welfare setting – AND I speak from experience.

The conclusions you just jumped to are paranoid, judgmental and irrelevant.

A lot of anger, defenciveness and blame projection in your response. Not a good sign.

Three parties were found to have not met the standard of care required. It is dishonest of you to say they have been “proven negligent” until such time as the court determines the percentages.

And given that you don’t care about the difference between criminal and civil, whatever credibility you had left just disintegrated.

You were clearly trying to label the Police as guilty parties or at least make such an inference.

Yes indeed I was. There were 3 parties who were proven to be negligent in this case. I don’t give a toss whether it was civil or criminal…..the case was proven by law.

However, I directed the comment at Captain RAAF as he had earlier raised the subject of putting a bullet in my son’s head. This news story has a similar thread although I think the bullet was in the neck. A Police Officer shot the bloke whilst he was having a psychosis. Negligence has been proven and he will be compensated for it. Again, I am simply adding different perspectives to the discussion. Something that seems to be unacceptable to you.

If you had bothered to read my response to my son’s neighbour, you would realise that I do not despise the general public or society in general. I work within the system and with people on a daily basis in a social welfare setting – AND I speak from experience.

The conclusions you just jumped to are paranoid, judgmental and irrelevant.

creative_canberran11:32 pm 29 May 11

Violet68 said :

I do apologise…..I assumed the term “sue” would explain this story relates to civil law rather than criminal. And yeah, we all do the swimming at the beach and hitting head on sand bar case scenario in law 101…..yawn.

You were clearly trying to label the Police as guilty parties or at least make such an inference. You have all along been firm in your stand that Police, the public (or “nosy fkrs” as you call the public) and just about anyone but the individual is to blame. This is just another example in what could well be described as an pathological dislike of Police and perhaps society in general. The Police are brutes, the nosy public “fkrs” and everyone should just keep away for only the individual knows best.

It was clear what you were trying to do, again demonstrating the blame projection that is a part of those defensive mechanisms phycologists have identified in patients.

I do apologise…..I assumed the term “sue” would explain this story relates to civil law rather than criminal. And yeah, we all do the swimming at the beach and hitting head on sand bar case scenario in law 101…..yawn.

creative_canberran10:02 pm 29 May 11

Violet68 said :

Yesterday, he received the answer he had been waiting more than two years to hear; negligence on all three counts.

Supreme Court Judge Hilary Penfold found all three defendants had been negligent, saying that each had breached their duty of care and caused Mr Crowley’s injuries”.

What violet forgot to mention was this was a civil suit, dealing only with compensation liability. It was NOT a criminal matter and the officers and authorities involved are not in anyway guilty for what occurred.

Civil law requires only that a case be established on the balance of probability. It is also possible under civil law to establish the liability of a party for in this case negligence, but for the effect of that liability to be partially or completely negated by the plaintiff’s own actions. The damages to be awarded are still being determined. The Plaintiff’s state may see this reduced by a percentage or in total.

I should also point out that it is in civil law that people have been able to earn million dollar pay outs for jumping into water at the beach, holding councils liable for not pointing out the obvious.

People like Violet can’t be reasoned with; she is right, everyone else is wrong. Pointless in arguing with her as it will just result in the same arguments repeated on both sides.

My comments have been reasonable. I have presented research to support my comments which has not been disputed or refuted. I have pointed out that the Police had alternatives. In fact there is a “standard” procedure for dealing with this type of situation. Standards don’t have to be “invoked” (CC). They are “standards” which are at the very minimum a guideline to be adhered to in professional practice. People “like me” didn’t write those standards and I’m sure they were created out of best practice reviews rather than on the premise of who is right or wrong.

It is quite apparent that you have no real knowledge of police powers of entry to a premises, their data systems or procedures. Quite a number of assumptions appear to have been made by you.

She’s made that abundantly clear. No idea about police powers of entry, powers of arrest etc. Not to mention her contempt for “nosy fuckers” (sometimes known as good samaritans) and police. People like Violet can’t be reasoned with; she is right, everyone else is wrong. Pointless in arguing with her as it will just result in the same arguments repeated on both sides.

For you Captain RAAF……..

“The Australian Federal Police, ACT Mental Health, and a Canberra police officer have all been found partly responsible for rendering a man quadriplegic almost 10 years ago.
Jonathan Crowley had sued the AFP, the officer who shot him, and ACT Mental Health for the events leading up to the tragedy, which occurred during a psychotic episode.

Yesterday, he received the answer he had been waiting more than two years to hear; negligence on all three counts.

Supreme Court Judge Hilary Penfold found all three defendants had been negligent, saying that each had breached their duty of care and caused Mr Crowley’s injuries”.

Yep, they could have put a bullet in his brain as he thrust the syringe at them, count yourself lucky he isn’t down the morgue in a bag!

Thankfully, society hasn’t been robbed of this druggo criminal and we can all sleep better knowing he’s still around, tearing up his own stuff, growing his drugs and saving kittens and stuff.

Personally, can’t wait til he’s offed by one of his druggo kind, please pass on my thoughts to him, there’s a good girl!

Yes, I suppose Police could have used unreasonable force as an option. There’s so many could of’s in this discussion because the poor Police just aren’t trained in what to do in a crisis! I think it was you who stated earlier that you woudn’t want a “wacko” living next door to you and your kids (could be wrong but can’t be bother reading back right now).

Wonder how you would react if around the age of 14/15 years one of your children started manifesting symptoms of a mental illness? Wonder if you’d want your own child DEAD? And actually, he is an animal lover so quite likely to save kittens etc …..so there is some truth to your comment. At least he contained himself in his own home. Would you have preferred it happened in public or he smashed someone else’s stuff?

If you are really a member of the RAAF, I kind of hope one your colleagues comes down with a touch of PTSD and pins their delusions down to the fact that you are a mindless, inconsiderate person who wishes them dead. ….resulting in some PAIN for you. Then you might appreciate what mental health treatment can do for people 🙂

Making comments about putting bullets in people’s heads and thrusting syringes just potrays you as a drama queen. Settle down princess!

As for the Mental Health ACT Standard Operating Procedure, not sure how that is relevant. It is only applicable to the Court under s309 or the Crimes Act and the AFP after making an arrest if there is a belief that someone needs immediate mental health care to prevent a risk to them. Doesn’t change the person’s liability for the offence, they are still regarded as in custody for the duration of their stay in a mental health facility. The relevant behaviour occurred prior to the arrest so invoking the Mental Health ACT Standard Operating Procedure provisions would not have changed anything.

Did you not read the post you just quoted? I have not said there should be no criminal liability and YES he requires treatment. In the words of the CADAS worker “looks like something is coming on……” You do not know what behaviour occurred before, during or after the arrest. Treatment could and would have changed things. Your complete refusal to read and comprehend what I am trying to say is becoming ridiculous.

creative_canberran5:36 pm 29 May 11

Violet68 said :

The AFP media release is not what I was referring to but you seem to be an expert at missing the point. I will leave it to you to find where exactly it was a raised the term “domestic” and why. There are a lot of “could of’s” in your response.

Thanks Spideydog for your comment. Yes I am rather “one eyed” but I’ve tried to present the idea there could of been a different outcome than what happened last week. In my defence, I do have the ability to explore different perspectives.

I’ll finish with this snippet from the Mental Health ACT Standard Operating Procedure despite the fact I could be called insane for continually repeating myself on this site expecting and hoping for a different result!

“The Australian Federal Police (AFP) may also bring persons to the MHAU for an assessment of their mental health needs and possible admission whilst they are in police custody prior to the laying of charges (this does not include Police Emergency Action under the Mental Health (Treatment and Care) Act 1994.)”

You’re right, there are a lot of “could ofs” in my response. You know why? because they’re the same could ofs Police face when receiving a report of a disturbance. Hence they have to check it out, to see it it’s any of thos that could account for the sounds the lead someone to make a report. Or as you put it, some “nosy fkr” to make a report.

Though not apparent, I am wondering if in any of those other perspectives or different outcomes you believe there could have been… do any of them involve not growing drugs hydroponically and not greeting police with a weapon in reach? Seems they’re they’d be great ones.

As for the Mental Health ACT Standard Operating Procedure, not sure how that is relevant. It is only applicable to the Court under s309 or the Crimes Act and the AFP after making an arrest if there is a belief that someone needs immediate mental health care to prevent a risk to them. Doesn’t change the person’s liability for the offence, they are still regarded as in custody for the duration of their stay in a mental health facility. The relevant behaviour occurred prior to the arrest so invoking the Mental Health ACT Standard Operating Procedure provisions would not have changed anything.

Captain RAAF5:24 pm 29 May 11

Violet68 said :

I’ve tried to present the idea there could of been a different outcome than what happened last week.

Yep, they could have put a bullet in his brain as he thrust the syringe at them, count yourself lucky he isn’t down the morgue in a bag!

Thankfully, society hasn’t been robbed of this druggo criminal and we can all sleep better knowing he’s still around, tearing up his own stuff, growing his drugs and saving kittens and stuff.

Personally, can’t wait til he’s offed by one of his druggo kind, please pass on my thoughts to him, there’s a good girl!

From the AFP Media Release:
“Police were called to the house around 9pm after reports of a possible disturbance. At the house, police spoke to the man who advised that he was the only person in the house.”

Now a disturbance could have been domestic violence, breaking and entering, vandalism… any number of offences. The police did not use any “guise”, they had to check what was going on. For all they knew, there was a woman cowering in a back room scared for her life, afraid to scream who they could only find doing a search. For all they knew, it wasn’t his home (Police can only view residential addresses, not actual deeds and leases at short notice), so only a search would reveal forced entry.

A disturbance was reported, Police did the appropriate thing and attended, searched the property to ensure no one was at risk.

It was the individual who had a weapon on him when Police arrived (let’s not mince words, a syringe is considered a weapon by the law). It was the individual who had an illegal and one would thing quite elaborate drug cultivation operation on the premises. It was the individual who had been stable enough to assist police to a point then use force again commonwealth officers.

The AFP media release is not what I was referring to but you seem to be an expert at missing the point. I will leave it to you to find where exactly it was a raised the term “domestic” and why. There are a lot of “could of’s” in your response. You fail to acknowledge or respond to research done by the Australian Institute of Criminolgy which supports my comments and also provide details of the incident as though you were actually there when you were not. A real concern is the manner in which you cling to the brief details of a Police Media Release as though they are an absolute truth. All symptoms which you will definitely find in your textbooks…..

Thanks Spideydog for your comment. Yes I am rather “one eyed” but I’ve tried to present the idea there could of been a different outcome than what happened last week. In my defence, I do have the ability to explore different perspectives. I am aware the matter is before the Court and have never once stated that it shouldn’t be. I have refrained from providing further insights and details due to that fact.

If people had any insight (or bothered to read the research I have presented), they would understand this was a window of opportunity for treatment. You can’t get it without consent unless someone is at risk of harm – which was the case. I had a brief look at the law in regards to powers of entry. Also had a brief look at the Crimtrac website which boasts about the ability of Police to access information at the speed of light. Had discussions with colleagues with professional experience on this too. There is a great deal of info available to Police. But you are right, not worth discussing any further details in this forum.

I’ll finish with this snippet from the Mental Health ACT Standard Operating Procedure despite the fact I could be called insane for continually repeating myself on this site expecting and hoping for a different result!

“The Australian Federal Police (AFP) may also bring persons to the MHAU for an assessment of their mental health needs and possible admission whilst they are in police custody prior to the laying of charges (this does not include Police Emergency Action under the Mental Health (Treatment and Care) Act 1994.)”

creative_canberran1:59 pm 29 May 11

Violet68 said :

Where do you get off saying “police merely said it was a disturbance”? Your statement shows you have no idea what was and was not said. Unlike you, I was at Court and have been privy to the Statement of “Facts”. I have not “dishonestly” tried to claim anything. That is what happened. The Police were refused entry by the sole occupant of the property so they went in under the guise of having to check for domestic violence.

When Police are called to a “disturbance” they can bring up the person’s details in their system. Given that Police have taken the person in question to the PSU in the past, it would have come up flagged in their system. Either they didn’t bother to check before taking action OR they chose to ignore the information.

From the AFP Media Release:
“Police were called to the house around 9pm after reports of a possible disturbance. At the house, police spoke to the man who advised that he was the only person in the house.”

Now a disturbance could have been domestic violence, breaking and entering, vandalism… any number of offences. The police did not use any “guise”, they had to check what was going on. For all they knew, there was a woman cowering in a back room scared for her life, afraid to scream who they could only find doing a search. For all they knew, it wasn’t his home (Police can only view residential addresses, not actual deeds and leases at short notice), so only a search would reveal forced entry.

A disturbance was reported, Police did the appropriate thing and attended, searched the property to ensure no one was at risk.

It was the individual who had a weapon on him when Police arrived (let’s not mince words, a syringe is considered a weapon by the law). It was the individual who had an illegal and one would thing quite elaborate drug cultivation operation on the premises. It was the individual who had been stable enough to assist police to a point then use force again commonwealth officers.

Violet68 said :

Also the police merely said a “disturbance”, they did not use “domestic violence” as an excuse as you have dishonestly tried to claim. Even if they had, despite been home alone it could still have constituted domestic violence had he been damaging the property of a “relevant person”.

Where do you get off saying “police merely said it was a disturbance”? Your statement shows you have no idea what was and was not said. Unlike you, I was at Court and have been privy to the Statement of “Facts”. I have not “dishonestly” tried to claim anything. That is what happened. The Police were refused entry by the sole occupant of the property so they went in under the guise of having to check for domestic violence.

When Police are called to a “disturbance” they can bring up the person’s details in their system. Given that Police have taken the person in question to the PSU in the past, it would have come up flagged in their system. Either they didn’t bother to check before taking action OR they chose to ignore the information.

Unfortunately you appear to be very “one eyed” as you would probably expect from a concerned relative. It is quite apparent that you have no real knowledge of police powers of entry to a premises, their data systems or procedures. Quite a number of assumptions appear to have been made by you.

I would probably suggest leaving the intimate details of this issue at rest for now, as it is a matter before the Court.

Also the police merely said a “disturbance”, they did not use “domestic violence” as an excuse as you have dishonestly tried to claim. Even if they had, despite been home alone it could still have constituted domestic violence had he been damaging the property of a “relevant person”.

Where do you get off saying “police merely said it was a disturbance”? Your statement shows you have no idea what was and was not said. Unlike you, I was at Court and have been privy to the Statement of “Facts”. I have not “dishonestly” tried to claim anything. That is what happened. The Police were refused entry by the sole occupant of the property so they went in under the guise of having to check for domestic violence.

When Police are called to a “disturbance” they can bring up the person’s details in their system. Given that Police have taken the person in question to the PSU in the past, it would have come up flagged in their system. Either they didn’t bother to check before taking action OR they chose to ignore the information.

Yet it seems he pulled the mental health card when he was arrested for criminal offences.

If there is one thing I want to clarify it is that…..No he did not pull the mental health card. Not at all. As I stated earlier, he would rather be called a criminal than “mental”.

Hyson Green is almost $800 per day so not an accessible option for us.

And yes, I have attended many domestic violence incidents where the police have not entered and have gone away once told everything was fine.

Yet it seems he pulled the mental health card when he was arrested for criminal offences.

No he didn’t pull the mental health card. Not at all. As I stated earlier, he would rather be called a criminal than “mental”. If I want to make one point clear, it is that.

“Police services are generally the first point of contact with the criminal justice system for most people, and police officers have essentially four choices when they are faced with an individual who is behaving irrationally. They can attempt to informally resolve the issue, contact a crisis team, take the person to a hospital, or arrest them. The increased prevalence of mental disorder in gaols suggests that, at least in the past, arrest has been the predominant option. Furthermore, police have traditionally viewed their interactions with mentally ill people as a problematic and undesirable part of their duties”.
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/321-340/tandi334/view%20paper.aspx

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

exploring alternatives to “criminalising” certain marginalised groups in society.

Wrong again.

Police are duty bound to apprehend person who are suspected of committing an offence. This is not criminalising them, nor is holding them in custody until an appearance in court.

It is for the court to decide the criminal lability of an accused. And someone’s mental state, including where applicable mental illness, will be taken into consideration in determining whether they had the requisite mental element of the offence as defined in legislation or at common law.

A person is neither criminalised for having a mental illness, nor are they automatically absolved from criminal liability by virtue of being mentally ill.

The posts by CC at 164 and 165 sum it up for me.

The fact you’re (Violet) still implying police had no right to enter the house is just wrong. If you think police have never rocked up to a reported disturbance and have someone answer the door saying “everything’s fine” when there is an assaulted partner or damaged property in the house, then you’re in dreamland. As important as your son is to you, not all police would know him (his history etc), know whether there is someone else in the house (partner or child), damaged property belonging to someone else etc. BTW, contrary to your earlier assertion that police are highly trained – or boast that they are – in dealing with mental illness, they are not.

He committed criminal acts, which you excuse because of his mental illness. He was arrested and put in the watch house where he was safe (from self-harm or harming anyone else) where he has access to medical services if needed.

You don’t just go and “see” MH. They make contact and let you know what time you can have an appointment and there is a WAITING LIST.

I meant mental health services more as a generic term. Places like Hyson Green etc. You know, more proactive stuff rather than waiting til he breaks the law before looking to get help.

Don’t worry there are no green slips forthcoming……just an eviction, loss of employment, possible jail term, probable exacerbation of illness and continuation of sporadic inadequate treatment which I’m sure will FIX the whole situation.

An eviction? Not unless he’s in ACT Housing and not unless it’s his one millionth warning for bad behaviour. What grounds does anyone have for evicting him anyway? Was he damaging the house and not just his own property? Is his boss really going to sack him (Wasn’t he only locked up for one night)? Oh, and possible jail term? You have got to be kidding. A fairly standard punishment would be a GBO and maybe a fine – unless he has a long history of this kind of thing.

Violet, you made some good points earlier about the mental health system, but your willingness to blame everyone else is not the way to go. It is not the responsibility of the police to seek mental health treatment of your son. He is – according to you – a highly functioning adult who manages to work six days a week, maintain a hydro set up etc. Yet it seems he pulled the mental health card when he was arrested for criminal offences.

Good luck with your son – and I mean that – but you’ve got to try to look at this through unbiased eyes. You are a loving, protective mother (which is great), but that shows very clearly in your posts.

Violet68 said :

So everybody is wrong and nothing is what it seems. Get some help.

So am I wrong and nothing I’ve said is valid? You tell me to get some help….why? So I can think like you? No thanks.

The term “domestic” alludes to a dispute between 2 or more family members. Definitions of “domestic” refer to “of the family and household”. The term domestic is commonly used to describe a familial argument. In this case, Police used the excuse of having to check and see if there was a “domestic” to ENTER the premises despite the occupant telling them he was the only person there and he didn’t want them to come in.

Perhaps a more accurate title would have been “Don’t have a psychosis in your own home because the neighbours will freak out and you will have Police enter your home – rather than mental health professionals”.

I have detailed the other option available to Police again and again and it is up to you to ENLIGHTEN yourself. I’ve even included links previously and here’s another http://www.mhccact.org.au/cms/media/user_uploads/mhcc_response_forensic_options_paper_feb_2010_final.pdf …………just in case you feel like overcoming your laziness and bother looking at a different perspective.

No my son hasn’t been given the privilege of a taxi home from PSU. He’s left to make his own way home. You don’t just go and “see” MH. They make contact and let you know what time you can have an appointment and there is a WAITING LIST. Don’t worry there are no green slips forthcoming……just an eviction, loss of employment, possible jail term, probable exacerbation of illness and continuation of sporadic inadequate treatment which I’m sure will FIX the whole situation.

Thank you comments Creative Canberran – I will certainly seek help within my own family circle, through education and the amazing people I meet who share my passion about exploring alternatives to “criminalising” certain marginalised groups in society. Goodbye.

Soo… That is why you are so emotional, it’s your son.

Therefore you bought him up wrong and feel that it is all your fault, now I see what is going on.

“So everybody is wrong and nothing is what it seems. Get some help.”

Get a good lawyer. You wont get any where with these almost three post nut jobs.

creative_canberran10:08 pm 28 May 11

Violet68 said :

The term “domestic” alludes to a dispute between 2 or more family members. Definitions of “domestic” refer to “of the family and household”. The term domestic is commonly used to describe a familial argument. In this case, Police used the excuse of having to check and see if there was a “domestic” to ENTER the premises despite the occupant telling them he was the only person there and he didn’t want them to come in.

Your definition of “domestic” is wrong.

In the ACT, this is the definition contained in the Domestic Violence and Protection Control Orders Act 2008, from which the Crimes Act (ACT) derives its definitions for domestic violence are used.

There is no need to be “family members” nor does their need to be “2 or more” people present as you have said. The offender need only do something that affects a “relevant person” and that can include damaging their property.

Hence for all police knew, the offender in this case was smashing the property of a girlfriend while she was out. It would still constitute domestic violence.

Also the police merely said a “disturbance”, they did not use “domestic violence” as an excuse as you have dishonestly tried to claim. Even if they had, despite been home alone it could still have constituted domestic violence had he been damaging the property of a “relevant person”.

creative_canberran9:59 pm 28 May 11

Violet68 said :

exploring alternatives to “criminalising” certain marginalised groups in society.

Wrong again.

Police are duty bound to apprehend person who are suspected of committing an offence. This is not criminalising them, nor is holding them in custody until an appearance in court.

It is for the court to decide the criminal lability of an accused. And someone’s mental state, including where applicable mental illness, will be taken into consideration in determining whether they had the requisite mental element of the offence as defined in legislation or at common law.

A person is neither criminalised for having a mental illness, nor are they automatically absolved from criminal liability by virtue of being mentally ill.

Yeah they could have let him die, I mean that is all he deserves in the end, genetically weak, drug smoker… Put him down I say!

Do you have blue or brown eyes?

So everybody is wrong and nothing is what it seems. Get some help.

So am I wrong and nothing I’ve said is valid? You tell me to get some help….why? So I can think like you? No thanks.

The term “domestic” alludes to a dispute between 2 or more family members. Definitions of “domestic” refer to “of the family and household”. The term domestic is commonly used to describe a familial argument. In this case, Police used the excuse of having to check and see if there was a “domestic” to ENTER the premises despite the occupant telling them he was the only person there and he didn’t want them to come in.

Perhaps a more accurate title would have been “Don’t have a psychosis in your own home because the neighbours will freak out and you will have Police enter your home – rather than mental health professionals”.

I have detailed the other option available to Police again and again and it is up to you to ENLIGHTEN yourself. I’ve even included links previously and here’s another http://www.mhccact.org.au/cms/media/user_uploads/mhcc_response_forensic_options_paper_feb_2010_final.pdf …………just in case you feel like overcoming your laziness and bother looking at a different perspective.

No my son hasn’t been given the privilege of a taxi home from PSU. He’s left to make his own way home. You don’t just go and “see” MH. They make contact and let you know what time you can have an appointment and there is a WAITING LIST. Don’t worry there are no green slips forthcoming……just an eviction, loss of employment, possible jail term, probable exacerbation of illness and continuation of sporadic inadequate treatment which I’m sure will FIX the whole situation.

Thank you comments Creative Canberran – I will certainly seek help within my own family circle, through education and the amazing people I meet who share my passion about exploring alternatives to “criminalising” certain marginalised groups in society. Goodbye.

creative_canberran2:34 pm 28 May 11

Violet68 said :

Domestic Violence involves at least two people who are in relationship. It involves power plays, physical emotional and other forms of violence. This was not a domestic.

The Police had other options. They didn’t use them.

It wasn’t a grow house.

So everybody is wrong and nothing is what it seems. Get some help.

Violet68 said :

Domestic Violence involves at least two people who are in relationship. It involves power plays, physical emotional and other forms of violence. This was not a domestic.

The Police had other options. They didn’t use them.

It wasn’t a grow house.

Yeah they could have let him die, I mean that is all he deserves in the end, genetically weak, drug smoker… Put him down I say!

Violet68 said :

Domestic Violence involves at least two people who are in relationship. It involves power plays, physical emotional and other forms of violence. This was not a domestic.

The Police had other options. They didn’t use them.

It wasn’t a grow house.

No one mentioned domestic violence. The title mentions a domestic. The text mentions a possible disturbance.

Domestic: relates to the home
Disturbance: well, you know what that means
Bloke causing a disturbance inside his home = domestic disturbance. Therefore the title is accurate.

And once again, you’re blaming police for not green slipping him. Did he go and see mental health services when he was released on bail? I’m guessing not. He assaulted police (no one believes he attacked himself) and was arrested for it, and rightly so. It was a valid decision, whether you like it or not. If he was taken to PSU he probably would’ve told them what they wanted to hear and they would’ve sent him home in a cab within a couple of hours. Pointless.

Violet68 said :

The Police had other options. They didn’t use them.

Enlighten us then ?!?!

As a side note, PB has hit the nail on the head IMHO …….

Domestic Violence involves at least two people who are in relationship. It involves power plays, physical emotional and other forms of violence. This was not a domestic.

The Police had other options. They didn’t use them.

It wasn’t a grow house.

Pommy bastard said :

those who have tried to totally exonerate him of any responsibility for his situation, lifestyle, and his behaviour.

And who has done that?

Pommy bastard1:28 pm 27 May 11

Didn’t you ask CSRI, where I was coming from on this?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pommy bastard said :

Of course, if the police have not intervened, and this person had gone on to do himself serious damage or killed himself, the cries would be; “Why did the police do nothing? They could hear he was smashing the place up!! He was a danger to himself!! It’s the police’s fault he died!!”

+2
PB for the most part, you strike me as an intelligent person, I just don’t understand where you are coming from on this.

I was trying to show that the police did what was for the best in the situation, and positing what could have happened if they had “gone away and left him alone” to smash up the place, as was suggested by some here.

I don’t think it was possible for them to do so in the circumstance, or a good idea for anyone involved if they did that. I was also suggesting that the first people to cry “police responsible for him hurting himself” if he had come to harm or killed himself, would be those who have tried to totally exonerate him of any responsibility for his situation, lifestyle, and his behaviour.

colourful sydney racing identity11:55 am 27 May 11

Pommy bastard said :

And you are seriously telling me that if the police, when called to the flat, had allowed this to go on without intervening, not knowing whether he was safe, a danger to himself, hurting himself or killing himself, if they had just gone away, then they would not be being blamed for not intervening here by the family if he had hurt or maimed, or killed himself.

Where did I tell you that?

Pommy bastard11:02 am 27 May 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

PB for the most part, you strike me as an intelligent person, I just don’t understand where you are coming from on this.

Type in haste, repent at leisure, I’ll try that again….

Type in haste, repent at leisure, I’ll try that again….

Really? We have been told that the police handled this badly. We have been told, and I will quote if you desire, how he should have been allowed to continue smashing things up, that we, and the police, should ignore the concerns of the neighbours.

We have been told that we should allow this person to grow and sell hydroponic cannabis.

We have been told that when he lunged at the police, he was actually trying to harm himself, not them.

We have been told that he should not have been arrested, and taken into custody.

We have been told that all the services involved with him are wrong, inadequate, insufficient and incompetent.

You have read all this denial, blame placing, and utter refusal to accept that he may have posed a risk.

And you are seriously telling me that if the police, when called to the flat, had allowed this to go on without intervening, not knowing whether he was safe, a danger to himself, hurting himself or killing himself, if they had just gone away, then they would not be being blamed for not intervening here by the family if he had hurt or maimed, or killed himself.

Seriously? Have you been reading the same thread as I have?

Pommy bastard10:47 am 27 May 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

PB for the most part, you strike me as an intelligent person, I just don’t understand where you are coming from on this.

Really? We have heard that the accused police handled this badly. We have been told, and I will quote if you desire, how he should not have been allowed to continue smashing things up, that we should ignore the concerns of the neighbours. We should allow this person to grow and sell hydroponic cannabis. That when he lunged at the police, he was actually trying to harm himself. That he should not have been arrested, taken into custody. That all the services involved are wrong, inadequate, insufficient and incompetent.

You have read all this denial.

And you are seriously telling me that if the police, when called to the flat had allowed this to go on without intervening, had turned and let him get on, not knowing whether he was safe, a danger to himself, hurting himself or killing himself, had just gone away, then they would not be being blamed here by the family if he had hurt or maimed himself for not intervening.

Seriously? Have you been reading the same thread as I have?

colourful sydney racing identity10:30 am 27 May 11

Jim Jones said :

fgzk said :

Pommy bastard said :

Of course, if the police have not intervened, and this person had gone on to do himself serious damage or killed himself, the cries would be; “Why did the police do nothing? They could hear he was smashing the place up!! He was a danger to himself!! It’s the police’s fault he died!!”

You are just making that up PB. If anything in these situations the families blame themselves. Some might even feel guilt, for the sense of relief that its over.

+1

+2
PB for the most part, you strike me as an intelligent person, I just don’t understand where you are coming from on this.

fgzk said :

Pommy bastard said :

Of course, if the police have not intervened, and this person had gone on to do himself serious damage or killed himself, the cries would be; “Why did the police do nothing? They could hear he was smashing the place up!! He was a danger to himself!! It’s the police’s fault he died!!”

You are just making that up PB. If anything in these situations the families blame themselves. Some might even feel guilt, for the sense of relief that its over.

+1

stacee9 said :

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

so im never alone or unloved in this cruel cruel world.

It’s not a “cruel cruel world”. It’s the druggies and thuggies who skulk around Canberra that make this an unsafe place to live. Certainly they were not intended for this city, so why are they here?

Pommy bastard said :

Of course, if the police have not intervened, and this person had gone on to do himself serious damage or killed himself, the cries would be; “Why did the police do nothing? They could hear he was smashing the place up!! He was a danger to himself!! It’s the police’s fault he died!!”

You are just making that up PB. If anything in these situations the families blame themselves. Some might even feel guilt, for the sense of relief that its over.

“My comment was to correct the title of thread – as it was NOT a domestic.”

He was causing a disturbance in his house, which is a domestic disturbance. The title of the thread was spot on.

Pommy bastard9:44 am 27 May 11

Of course, if the police have not intervened, and this person had gone on to do himself serious damage or killed himself, the cries would be; “Why did the police do nothing? They could hear he was smashing the place up!! He was a danger to himself!! It’s the police’s fault he died!!”

creative_canberran said :

Jim Jones said :

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

How cruel can you be?.

“The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who have loved it.”

– George Santayana, Little Essays (1920) “Ideal Immortality”
US (Spanish-born) philosopher (1863 – 1952)

And from that you assume that, because you are cruel, then you have some sort of privileged connection to the truth?

Epic philosophical fail.

lol, the only epic fail here is yours in reading that quote backwards.

The quote clearly says that hearing the truth can be cruel, but those who choose to suck it up and accept the truth ultimately benefit. It akin to the other saying that “the truth hurts”.

The truth can be cruel, the truth can hurt. The truth is not derived from cruelty as you have tried to say.

One more time, for the dummies.

In making that quote, you are implying that *you* are presenting the cruel truth and have privileged access to it.

As has been amply demonstrated by this thread, you don’t.

What you have is hubris.

My comment was to correct the title of thread – as it was NOT a domestic. Previous comments from the neighbours indicate they were scared for themselves rather than my son. There was also a comment about not wanting a “wacko” living next door. I was merely trying to present the other side to this story. It’s extremely frightening when paranoia and psychosis take over. Do your text books tell you that?

You really are a concern quoting psych text books and philospy text books – making diagnoses from somewhere within the ether. As I said, a “little” bit of knowledge can be extremely dangerous. Rather than perpetuating “behaviour”, my comments and actions have been about advocating for the rights of people with mental illness, reducing stigma, creating awareness while giving a personal example to try and make it real for the “non-believers”. The reactions I have seen on here are typical and predictable. Don’t worry, my son will be dealt with by the criminal justice system rather than the mental health system – as will many others. He will be blamed for his own actions and held accountable despite being unwell at the time.

I suggest you go back through your comments and then back through your text books and do some soul searching yourself. I’m sure you will fit several of the criteria.

creative_canberran1:23 am 27 May 11

Violet68 said :

……..a little bit of a knowledge is extremely dangerous. You have implied that my daughter is “crazy” and mentally incompetent during this discussion. The truth is you are unqualified to make these comments yet you cruelly used your “little bit of knowledge” to try and damage another…..and THEN quote philosophy to justify your actions.

Personally, I’d rather be schizoid than YOU

It’s obvious that this subject is one that affects you and has affected for quite some time I would suggest. You’ve obviously built up some ways to cope over time and that’s understandable.

Your comments demonstrate the hallmarks of well formed defensive mechanisms, conforming closely to George Vaillant’s criteria for Level 1 defence mechanisms – the most serious – incorporating delusional projection, denial and distortion.

Proof includes your comment above and your first comment on this threat (quoted below):

Violet68 said :

Why do you assume the media is CORRECT? Why do you assume it was a DOMESTIC? This guy has a mental illness and was in his own home smashing his own stuff up not hurting anybody else, when some nosey fkr called Police on him…….

Your comment about “some nosey fkr” and the police intervening in private affairs is indeed a classic example of blame projection within the more specific theory of narcissistic defences. The reality is too painful so you blame the informant (who may have had genuine concerns for the person’s safety) and the police (who though not ideally equipped, do their best).

I think this is an issue you’ve head to deal with for a while and it’s understandable one would find ways to cope over time. It’s important though to realise this and take steps to address it. I would urge you to talk it over with someone because no good can come from perpetuating such behaviour.

The quote clearly says that hearing the truth can be cruel, but those who choose to suck it up and accept the truth ultimately benefit. It akin to the other saying that “the truth hurts”.

The truth can be cruel, the truth can hurt. The truth is not derived from cruelty as you have tried to say.

The truth can also set you free……..a little bit of a knowledge is extremely dangerous. You have implied that my daughter is “crazy” and mentally incompetent during this discussion. The truth is you are unqualified to make these comments yet you cruelly used your “little bit of knowledge” to try and damage another…..and THEN quote philosophy to justify your actions.

Here’s a bit of truth about schizoid personality ……

Guntrip states, “a sense of superiority naturally goes with self-sufficiency. One has no need of other people, they can be dispensed with… There often goes with it a feeling of being different from other people.” The sense of superiority of the schizoid has nothing to do with the grandiose self of the narcissistic disorder. It does not find expression in the schizoid through the need to devalue or annihilate others who are perceived as offending, criticizing, shaming, or humiliating. This type of superiority was described by a young schizoid man:

“If I am superior to others, if I am above others, then I do not need others. When I say that I am above others, it does not mean that I feel better than them, it means that I am at a distance from them, a safe distance.”
It is a feeling of being horizontally, rather than vertically distant.

Personally, I’d rather be schizoid than YOU

stacee9 said :

That just proves that my mum, my brother and myself are more of a person than you’ll ever be.

Of course you would be more of a person. There are 3 of you. But apparently this is how it all started in the first place!

Assumptions. Man you make a lot of them. Gross overstatement that MH workers only “stick around for three weeks”. I understand that the system is overworked and understaffed, but if you involve yourself extensively then you will eventually get somewhere.

Not speaking to family is bollocks. If he is on a PTO then he will have a treating psychologist and also a mental health worker, speak to both of them and also get along to his hearings with the panel, I think you will find that you will be able to get much more access and input to his treatment, medication etc etc. If that doesn’t work you can also have him deemed unable to make judgements for himself and get power of attorney, so you can make all the decisions for him.

Yep I’m quite a frequent visitor to the Psych ward, and know quite a few of the nurses there. And it is a place for them to get well by taking a medication that lets them function like a “normal” person and stops the voices and hallucinations etc. If you are referring to the high dependency unit, yes it is more like “jail” (SIC) and this is for their own safety, when they are deemed not to be high risk they are then moved to the Low Dependency Unit, to continue their treatment until they are in a stable state to be able to look after themselves.

Since you know soo much about the Mental Health world, i guess you know about the new facilities that are being built that will better allow for more activities and more beds etc. They are building as fast as they can. All the staff at the PSU are quite excited about the new facilities.

And yes they do go to PSU more often than not especially if there is a PTO in place it’s their first point of call. And generally when it gets to that stage it’s because they have stopped taking their meds, and should rightfully be placed in hospital for their safety and that of others.

As for not admitting that he has an illness, its usually only when they have done something wrong that they are happy to trump that card out. Other than that they will all tell you till the cows come home that there is nothing wrong with them and it is the world that has the problem.

As for the knowing about the drugs, well you are either lying that you did know about it cause you have just realised that you have implicated yourself and that of your daughter on a public forum, or you are not really involved with him and his treatments, which would explain why you think that his workers won’t speak with you.
But I must admit, you both seem to know an awful lot about the worth of these 9 plants, so seem to have a fairly good idea and would have some involvement, and your daughter even said that he self medicates, so what is it?

And as for your attempt at patronising me by apparently not knowing or having any dealing with mental Health, well I guess I have just proved you wrong haven’t I? I think that I’m a little more involved in that area that you will ever care to be. Assumptions much?

No you haven’t proved me wrong at all. I continuously hear this rubbish spoken about at network meetings, case conferences etc etc etc….continuous bleating about how understaffed yet wonderful our Mental Health system is – and how the Police have been trained to sensitively approach these issues. I have worked in the Canberra community sector for over 12 years and together with my personal experiences, I just may have had more experience in this area than you will ever care to have. Furthermore, I hold tertiary qualifications in this area.

My son was going off his nut in his own home, by himself with a known history of mental illness. IF we truly had a coordinated response, perhaps this wouldn’t have happened OR he would have been treated as a person with an illness rather than a criminal. The situation would not have escalated and we may have had a positive outcome. If you truly have as much experience as you say you do, then you will know what I mean by DEescalate a situation.

My son was discharged WITHOUT a MH caseworker the last time he left hospital and we were not notified. Out of respect for him, I will not go into the results of this debacle. I went to the Minister and “suddenly” he was appointed a caseworker and YES, it lasted for approximately 3 weeks.

Whilst on the last PTO, which lasted 6 months and has expired, I was continually excluded from any intervention. Family was NOT informed about the date, time or outcome of Tribunal Hearings. Medication was prescribed and sent home in a bunch of boxes for my son to manage himself. I had no idea what it was, what is was for, the possible side effects or dosage. Yes, my son can read instructions. Whether or not he can manage his own medication is another matter.

The PSU is dirty, loud, scary, unsafe and hostile. Nurses ignore patients who are clearly distressed. They also ignore visitors. There is nowhere to sit quietly and safely. My son’s clothes were stolen, as were his personal posessions. How long is a general admission? Probably 8 hours. Earlier this year, my friend’s sister was sent home from PSU and then successfully completed suicide. I have sat in consumer feedback sessions and people have detailed their distressing experiences within PSU so do not tell me it is a place to get well. Unfortunately, it is currently the only option available to public patients with mental illness – although consumers do say they always try and ask for Calvary when they are being scheduled so there is another slight option if you are LUCKY. You speak highly of the new facilities being built yet I have had conversations with psych nurses where they have voiced their concerns over the open plan of the new facility and how it will expose vulnerable patients even further.

My son has never once pulled out his mental health “trump card” as you call it so your comment about that is totally irrelevant. He would rather put up with your judgements that have you call him “mental”.

No, people do not got to PSU more often than not. I not only speak from personal experience, but also professional experience. My many colleagues over the years commonly complained about the lack of action taken by the CAT team in response to crisis. Ambulance officers, GP’s, welfare workers, carers all have a common story. There are NUMEROUS reports, research and also an evaluation to confirm this.

You have really missed the boat on my comments……he is CURRENTLY NOT receiving treatment! I was detailing history so I could help you define what a “true” mental health condition is. We have been and done the HDU. Last time it was for 6 weeks. How should I spell this out for God’s sake. He has totally withdrawn. The 9 plants are mentioned in the news report and really…..I just don’t care about that anymore. There are no fking treatments for us to be involved in. He gets no fkn HELP! If YOU are really a representative of the current mental health system, then you have confirmed I am wasting my time……..

Please educate yourselves……

FYI http://www.mhca.org.au/newsmodule/view/id/313/src/@random48c0ae557f3fe/

http://www.mhccact.org.au/cms/index.php

http://www.adacas.org.au/mental_health.htm

creative_canberran9:31 pm 26 May 11

Jim Jones said :

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

How cruel can you be?.

“The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who have loved it.”

– George Santayana, Little Essays (1920) “Ideal Immortality”
US (Spanish-born) philosopher (1863 – 1952)

And from that you assume that, because you are cruel, then you have some sort of privileged connection to the truth?

Epic philosophical fail.

lol, the only epic fail here is yours in reading that quote backwards.

The quote clearly says that hearing the truth can be cruel, but those who choose to suck it up and accept the truth ultimately benefit. It akin to the other saying that “the truth hurts”.

The truth can be cruel, the truth can hurt. The truth is not derived from cruelty as you have tried to say.

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

How cruel can you be?.

“The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who have loved it.”

– George Santayana, Little Essays (1920) “Ideal Immortality”
US (Spanish-born) philosopher (1863 – 1952)

And from that you assume that, because you are cruel, then you have some sort of privileged connection to the truth?

Epic philosophical fail.

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

How cruel can you be?.

“The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who have loved it.”

– George Santayana, Little Essays (1920) “Ideal Immortality”
US (Spanish-born) philosopher (1863 – 1952)

The truth lol.. By the sounds of it you wouldnt know the meaning of the word if it hit you in the face. I dont care though you can live your life ignoring the things that are too difficult to confront. You can be a big keyboard warrior with your oh so open minded views. That just proves that my mum, my brother and myself are more of a person than you’ll ever be. Cause I can fairly say i’ve never denied anyone the right to an oppinion and im almost certain they haven’t either. Go pick on someone else cause honestly these comments are beyond a joke.

Mujer said :

violet and stacee,

I think you will find that if he has a true mental health issue then he will have a MH case worker, if the drugs they have put him on are not working then talk with his case worker to have the medication changed.

You will also find that depending on the degree of the mental health issue, they don’t land in gaol. They go into the Psychiatric ward of either Woden or Belconnen. From there if directed by the courts, they will be moved to a more semi-permanent facility usually within the hospital grounds or close by (again depending on the level of the mental health issues).

I’m sick to death of people hiding behind mental illness for an excuse to conduct illegal activities, I don’t give a hoot if he is in his house and minding his own business, the fact that he is conducting an illegal activity cannot be excused by his illness.

And let’s not start about the fact that you are both knowingly concealing criminal activities… accessory anyone???

Oh dear shows how little you know.. He was under the mental health act. for 6 months in which they did next to nothing.. You obviouvsly think we’re un-educated family members trying to make up excuses. My brother is not hiding behind mental illness because he cant even admit there is a problem in the first place. He is not a heartless junkie like everyone seems to think he is. He is the most gentle person I know who has copped shit for as long as I can remember. Always the target when it comes to bullies, infact he still has gravel in his face from being randomnly attacked years ago. All through out primary and high school I watched him fight through each day, being the victim of severe bullying.

Jye McGrath owns so many amazing traits that so many people these days lack. He is caring, gentle, kind, funny, intelligent, honest, loyal, respectful and at some point confident. All this has been stripped from him especially by the people on here, what happened to ‘everyone has a voice’. He was my biggest role model as his younger sister and anyone that knows him would agree with everything my mother and I have said.

He hates my mother and I for calling mental health on him, he no longer even talks to us. He believes that we look at him the same way as all you do, look down on him. If only he knew!!! But how easy would it be to give up on such a nasty cruel world. He is in a state were he believes he deserves this treatment. He had third degree burns on his hands for months due to cleaning products used at his work and for some sad reason he wouldnt let us take him to the doctor to get help, he kept going to work using the same products because he honestly believes he deserves to suffer.

I cant get over you saying ‘oh take him to the psychiatric ward at either woden or belconnen’.. That avenue was explored a long time ago.. I dont know what you take us for.. My mum has taken excessive amounts of time of work and put lots of time, money, thought and effort into trying to help him but its all becoming so very clear. Even with help why would he want to re-enter a society like this, Im beginning to think him hiding away makes perfect sense. After all most of you have passed judgement without meeting him so imagine what the ones say and do that have met him.

Violet68 said :

I think you will find that

And I think you will find that MH case workers stick around for approximately 3 weeks (I think that was the extent of it last time) Oh and you suggest I talk with them about medication? They won’t speak with family members about medication due to confidentiality. Ever been in the Psych Ward? Kind of like jail and definitely not a place to “get well”. And no, they don’t “usually” go there – only if they are considered a risk to themselves or others (which was the case on Monday night and therefore the very reason why it would have been a window of opportunity to actually get some treatment!) As stated previously, my son doesn’t admit he has an illness so he is not hiding behind it at all. He works very hard to considered “normal”. Sad. And what makes you think we both knowlingly concealed anything? How dare you make an accusation like that. Neither of us have been allowed into his place for months, defamation anyone????

By the way what is a “true” mental health issue? Do you have to be prescribed anti-psychotic drugs by a Psychiatrist? Well, you can tick that box. Do you have to hear voices? Another tick. Do you have to have delusions and hallucinations. Another tick. Do you have to be on a Psychiatric Treatment Order or hospitalised….another tick. Please don’t discuss issues you clearly have no experience with.

Assumptions. Man you make a lot of them. Gross overstatement that MH workers only “stick around for three weeks”. I understand that the system is overworked and understaffed, but if you involve yourself extensively then you will eventually get somewhere.

Not speaking to family is bollocks. If he is on a PTO then he will have a treating psychologist and also a mental health worker, speak to both of them and also get along to his hearings with the panel, I think you will find that you will be able to get much more access and input to his treatment, medication etc etc. If that doesn’t work you can also have him deemed unable to make judgements for himself and get power of attorney, so you can make all the decisions for him.

Yep I’m quite a frequent visitor to the Psych ward, and know quite a few of the nurses there. And it is a place for them to get well by taking a medication that lets them function like a “normal” person and stops the voices and hallucinations etc. If you are referring to the high dependency unit, yes it is more like “jail” (SIC) and this is for their own safety, when they are deemed not to be high risk they are then moved to the Low Dependency Unit, to continue their treatment until they are in a stable state to be able to look after themselves.

Since you know soo much about the Mental Health world, i guess you know about the new facilities that are being built that will better allow for more activities and more beds etc. They are building as fast as they can. All the staff at the PSU are quite excited about the new facilities.

And yes they do go to PSU more often than not especially if there is a PTO in place it’s their first point of call. And generally when it gets to that stage it’s because they have stopped taking their meds, and should rightfully be placed in hospital for their safety and that of others.

As for not admitting that he has an illness, its usually only when they have done something wrong that they are happy to trump that card out. Other than that they will all tell you till the cows come home that there is nothing wrong with them and it is the world that has the problem.

As for the knowing about the drugs, well you are either lying that you did know about it cause you have just realised that you have implicated yourself and that of your daughter on a public forum, or you are not really involved with him and his treatments, which would explain why you think that his workers won’t speak with you.
But I must admit, you both seem to know an awful lot about the worth of these 9 plants, so seem to have a fairly good idea and would have some involvement, and your daughter even said that he self medicates, so what is it?

And as for your attempt at patronising me by apparently not knowing or having any dealing with mental Health, well I guess I have just proved you wrong haven’t I? I think that I’m a little more involved in that area that you will ever care to be. Assumptions much?

creative_canberran said :

stacee9 said :

Im actually enjoying all these corrections…

You’ll find that nearly every person in this world suffers some form of depression.

…in this cruel cruel world.

Corrections? Distorted reality another symptom then.

Saying nearly everyone in the world suffers depression and describing the world as “cruel” are indications of being non compos mentus. In fact that first assertion is absolutely beyond crazy.

I’ll take your comment as an admission too that you’ve treated your mental condition with illicit drugs. That is a lifestyle choice and one that can lead to terrible consequences as well as legal liability where it may not otherwise exist. The law protects people who commit a crime while their mental state is affected by legally prescribed medicines like depression treatments, not illicit substances. In other words, if you’re mentally ill and smoke pot and then end up in jail, you have only yourself to blame. If you sought proper treatment, then the law will help you more.

Gee I’d hate to be naive.. we all get depressed at times and if you dont i would honestly love to be you!! Some people cope and some people dont. I dont know where i stated that i treated my mental health issues with illicit substances but ive come to realise people on here love twisting words..

Im not even going to go any further with this at the end of the day I know exactly whats happened and whats going on.. You honestly have no right to speculate and or put me down especially when this article ain’t even about me.. Some people obviously are that sad in their own lives that they need to use bullying tactics on a public forum.

Thank you to all the people who showed some understanding in what my mother and I have said. Mental Health, drug use and breaking the law are all complicated subjects and i understand everyones oppinions vary. My goal wasnt at all to change anyones views, as we are in a free country and it is everyones right to their own oppinion, it was intended to stop the maliciousness and show you that my brother isn’t a menace to society. He is a human being who somewhere along the line may have lost his way and yes substance abuse has since than fuelled it but honestly listening to the nasty things said on here I dont blame him.

Im sorry I came on here in the first place, I honestly didnt expect this reaction as I thought people were more open minded. Never mind I shall take my views back and keep them to myself as they clearly arent being heard. Im glad the story of our lives has given most of you some entertainment but at the end of the day we aren’t lower than you. We are human and we do the best we can and as one our family will conquer all..

[“The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who have loved it.”

– George Santayana, Little Essays (1920) “Ideal Immortality”
US (Spanish-born) philosopher (1863 – 1952)

Look! I can do it too…..from a man of incredible strength who was persecuted by ignorance. Quite relevant.

An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Mohandas Gandhi

Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth. Mohandas Gandhi

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

How cruel can you be?.

“The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who have loved it.”

– George Santayana, Little Essays (1920) “Ideal Immortality”
US (Spanish-born) philosopher (1863 – 1952)

Good for you. You can quote. Well done.

creative_canberran6:25 pm 26 May 11

Violet68 said :

How cruel can you be?.

“The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who have loved it.”

– George Santayana, Little Essays (1920) “Ideal Immortality”
US (Spanish-born) philosopher (1863 – 1952)

creative_canberran said :

stacee9 said :

Im actually enjoying all these corrections…

You’ll find that nearly every person in this world suffers some form of depression.

…in this cruel cruel world.

Corrections? Distorted reality another symptom then.

Saying nearly everyone in the world suffers depression and describing the world as “cruel” are indications of being non compos mentus. In fact that first assertion is absolutely beyond crazy.

I’ll take your comment as an admission too that you’ve treated your mental condition with illicit drugs. That is a lifestyle choice and one that can lead to terrible consequences as well as legal liability where it may not otherwise exist. The law protects people who commit a crime while their mental state is affected by legally prescribed medicines like depression treatments, not illicit substances. In other words, if you’re mentally ill and smoke pot and then end up in jail, you have only yourself to blame. If you sought proper treatment, then the law will help you more.

How cruel can you be? How low can you possibly go? We all have different perceptions of the world that reflect our own experiences. You are having this discussion with a young person who is obviously quite distressed about her relative. You have made the wildest assumptions and statements about her mental health with total disregard about the effects your words might have. Quite the behaviour of sociopath.

Given the context of this thread, it would be quite reasonable for a young person to form the opinion about cruelty and constantly being corrected – not only in the way they choose to communicate, but also their thoughts and opinions – on a subject that is very painful and also dear to their heart.

Stacee…..don’t worry. This is really happening. People CAN be cruel. Up to you to sift the good from the bad. You have been discussing your innermost feelings with several arseholes who like to play experts over the internet. They are only playing with words in order to feed their own insecurities and quirks (which we all have). It’s usually the ones who have delusions of grandeur using latin legal terms and jargon to try and baffle you and those who refuse to acknowledge their own inadequacies that are the most unbalanced.

Mujer said :

violet and stacee,

I think you will find that if he has a true mental health issue then he will have a MH case worker, if the drugs they have put him on are not working then talk with his case worker to have the medication changed.

You will also find that depending on the degree of the mental health issue, they don’t land in gaol. They go into the Psychiatric ward of either Woden or Belconnen. From there if directed by the courts, they will be moved to a more semi-permanent facility usually within the hospital grounds or close by (again depending on the level of the mental health issues).

I’m sick to death of people hiding behind mental illness for an excuse to conduct illegal activities, I don’t give a hoot if he is in his house and minding his own business, the fact that he is conducting an illegal activity cannot be excused by his illness.

And let’s not start about the fact that you are both knowingly concealing criminal activities… accessory anyone???

And I think you will find that MH case workers stick around for approximately 3 weeks (I think that was the extent of it last time) Oh and you suggest I talk with them about medication? They won’t speak with family members about medication due to confidentiality. Ever been in the Psych Ward? Kind of like jail and definitely not a place to “get well”. And no, they don’t “usually” go there – only if they are considered a risk to themselves or others (which was the case on Monday night and therefore the very reason why it would have been a window of opportunity to actually get some treatment!) As stated previously, my son doesn’t admit he has an illness so he is not hiding behind it at all. He works very hard to considered “normal”. Sad. And what makes you think we both knowlingly concealed anything? How dare you make an accusation like that. Neither of us have been allowed into his place for months, defamation anyone????

By the way what is a “true” mental health issue? Do you have to be prescribed anti-psychotic drugs by a Psychiatrist? Well, you can tick that box. Do you have to hear voices? Another tick. Do you have to have delusions and hallucinations. Another tick. Do you have to be on a Psychiatric Treatment Order or hospitalised….another tick. Please don’t discuss issues you clearly have no experience with.

creative_canberran5:31 pm 26 May 11

stacee9 said :

Im actually enjoying all these corrections…

You’ll find that nearly every person in this world suffers some form of depression.

…in this cruel cruel world.

Corrections? Distorted reality another symptom then.

Saying nearly everyone in the world suffers depression and describing the world as “cruel” are indications of being non compos mentus. In fact that first assertion is absolutely beyond crazy.

I’ll take your comment as an admission too that you’ve treated your mental condition with illicit drugs. That is a lifestyle choice and one that can lead to terrible consequences as well as legal liability where it may not otherwise exist. The law protects people who commit a crime while their mental state is affected by legally prescribed medicines like depression treatments, not illicit substances. In other words, if you’re mentally ill and smoke pot and then end up in jail, you have only yourself to blame. If you sought proper treatment, then the law will help you more.

violet and stacee,

I think you will find that if he has a true mental health issue then he will have a MH case worker, if the drugs they have put him on are not working then talk with his case worker to have the medication changed.

You will also find that depending on the degree of the mental health issue, they don’t land in gaol. They go into the Psychiatric ward of either Woden or Belconnen. From there if directed by the courts, they will be moved to a more semi-permanent facility usually within the hospital grounds or close by (again depending on the level of the mental health issues).

I’m sick to death of people hiding behind mental illness for an excuse to conduct illegal activities, I don’t give a hoot if he is in his house and minding his own business, the fact that he is conducting an illegal activity cannot be excused by his illness.

And let’s not start about the fact that you are both knowingly concealing criminal activities… accessory anyone???

Pommy bastard5:25 pm 26 May 11

shadow boxer said :

People with mental health problems are just like a the rest of society. Thank you for highlighting that.

Well no, isn’t that the whole definition of mental illness ?

That’s why we call it mental illness and we assume an inability to make rational decisions at times.

“At times” ,yes,that doesn’t mean all the rest of the time they are incapable of being bad, thugs, dopers, losers, criminals, etc…

Or are you saying that anyone with a mental illness is by virtue of the condition, always otherwise a saint?

shadow boxer5:06 pm 26 May 11

People with mental health problems are just like a the rest of society. Thank you for highlighting that.

Well no, isn’t that the whole definition of mental illness ?

One of the people I knew with schitzphrenia used to walk around john knight park “saving” the worms and snails from being run over after rain. He also went to the police and confessed to a very serious crime he didn’t commit.

That’s why we call it mental illness and we assume an inability to make rational decisions at times.

True dat.

The last people on this earth I would ever think to judge are those with serious mental health issues. The first people I would think to judge are journalists 😉

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

My only comment on parental responsibility is yes, I do feel somewhat responsible for my son’s situation. I openly admit that I cannot manage at times and have sought assistance without any success. I often have no voice or say in interventions, medication or case plans because he is an adult – so have very little impact on anything. I do my utmost to stay connected to him despite his constant withdrawal and as I stated earlier…
Currently, it is sorely lacking. Given that the majority of people in prison have some form of mental health issue or substance dependency, the rates of recidivism show that jail is not working for them. It’s about time, other avenues are pursued.

Well then this raises an issue where some constructive comment can be made.
It would seem that mental health authorities are failing in their task, can safely be said to be over worked and yet exclude those (such as yourself) who would know the individual and could, at least in part, exert some positive influence over them. Some reform in this area then is needed to adopt a more collaborative approach to treatment and patient wellbeing then.

And it’s safe to say also that such a collaborative effort should start earlier. A greater emphasis should be placed in identifying and addressing mental illness earlier in life, before the conflict between adult freedom and necessity to treat becomes to big an issue.

stacee9 said :

Actually mate I do suffer from mental illness but its certainly not paranoia, thanks for the diagnosis though. And what ever I might have is not drug induced and I do accept and seek treatment.

Paranoia is a symptom, not an illness in itself but anyway.
A someone with a condition, special insight aside, you cannot be said to be impartial in this matter.

My question to this admission though would be have you ever chosen to medicate the conditions, either prior to diagnosis or after using illicit substances?

Im actually enjoying all these corrections, its just like being at school.. I dont know where me using illicit substances comes into it? And thats my exact point, to be associated with a ‘menace’ like my brother means (who has been given that label due to a misleading news article) means im on drugs too..

I have actually been medicated but I guess thats another story for another day. You’ll find that nearly every person in this world suffers some form of depression. My personality is obviously stronger than my brothers as I find I dont need it but than again that might be because I have two young children who love and rely on me, so im never alone or unloved in this cruel cruel world.

Pommy bastard said :

Just because someone has a mental health problem, doesn’t mean that they cannot also be a bad person, criminal, reprobate, loser, druggy, thug, etc etc.

Just like someone can be a ‘mentally healthy’ individual and yet act like a complete cock on the internet, right?

Pommy bastard4:03 pm 26 May 11

I don’t know if you have been close to someone who has suffered any form of sever mental illness, but from a person who has I can tell you it is gut wrenching and heart breaking to see and there is no simple tick box A or box B to define why they have behaved in a particular way. To suggest there is shows either ignorance or disregard to the suffering of others.

It’s tempting to make a pun on “sever” but I won’t.

The answer to your question is yes, most definitely I have had people close to me suffer severe mental illness, and yes I do understand that they do not conform to a stereotype.

In fact that’s the point I’ve been making all a long here. Just because someone has a mental health problem, doesn’t mean that they cannot also be a bad person, criminal, reprobate, loser, druggy, thug, etc etc.

People with mental health problems are just like a the rest of society. Thank you for highlighting that.

cleo said :

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

Bloody armchair psychiatrists. Who are you to say what did or didn’t cause his mental illness? What right do you have to pass judgement on someone based on what you read in the Canberra Times?

Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Just because many schizophrenics smoke marijuana doesn’t necessarily mean that marijuana causes schizophrenia. Some studies have shown that marijuana actually alleviates the symptoms of schizophrenia which may explain the high rate of use among schizophrenics.

I’m not saying that schizophrenia isn’t exacerbated or possibly even caused by drug abuse. I am just saying that the issue is far more complex than simply saying “he smokes weed, he is schizophrenic, therefore he is schizophrenic because he smokes weed”.

creative_canberran3:58 pm 26 May 11

Violet68 said :

My only comment on parental responsibility is yes, I do feel somewhat responsible for my son’s situation. I openly admit that I cannot manage at times and have sought assistance without any success. I often have no voice or say in interventions, medication or case plans because he is an adult – so have very little impact on anything. I do my utmost to stay connected to him despite his constant withdrawal and as I stated earlier…
Currently, it is sorely lacking. Given that the majority of people in prison have some form of mental health issue or substance dependency, the rates of recidivism show that jail is not working for them. It’s about time, other avenues are pursued.

Well then this raises an issue where some constructive comment can be made.
It would seem that mental health authorities are failing in their task, can safely be said to be over worked and yet exclude those (such as yourself) who would know the individual and could, at least in part, exert some positive influence over them. Some reform in this area then is needed to adopt a more collaborative approach to treatment and patient wellbeing then.

And it’s safe to say also that such a collaborative effort should start earlier. A greater emphasis should be placed in identifying and addressing mental illness earlier in life, before the conflict between adult freedom and necessity to treat becomes to big an issue.

stacee9 said :

Actually mate I do suffer from mental illness but its certainly not paranoia, thanks for the diagnosis though. And what ever I might have is not drug induced and I do accept and seek treatment.

Paranoia is a symptom, not an illness in itself but anyway.
A someone with a condition, special insight aside, you cannot be said to be impartial in this matter.

My question to this admission though would be have you ever chosen to medicate the conditions, either prior to diagnosis or after using illicit substances?

shadow boxer3:56 pm 26 May 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

stacee9 said :

I will just leave it at that as these people seem like a bunch of mature aged bullies looking for a fight…
.

Thank you for your post and your explanation of your situation. My heart goes out to you and yours. I wish you and your brother all the best. May he find peace in himself.

Me too, hang in there guys, sometimes it just takes a while for someone to find their place in the world.

Good luck with it all….

creative_canberran said :

stacee9 said :

And now I cant believe I have spent so much time justifying our family to you people.

Violet dont bother writing back as I think im going to make these people an their oppinions insignificant as they have done to my brother. At the end of the day they have no right to speculate and even if we were to bring them around, this society seems to turn a blind eye to its many underlying issues as a way to pretend everything is perfect!! Which is quite ironic cause in the same sense, my brother blocks out hurt, anger and pain as a way to pretend things aren’t as bad as they seem. And look how well that worked out.. he lost control and broke the law.. My point being is you can’t pretend for ever and the truth will come out, pity it’ll be to late for the poor souls that slipped through the cracks.

Good day to all of you and I honestly pray that none of you ever have to feel the way he does, cause you’ve made it quite clear that it is unacceptable to behave and feel certain ways in this society. So to be mentally ill and behave out of the ordinary is not allowed and you will be swept under the rug ALONE!!!

This and some of your other posts show signs of paranoia among other things. I don’t mean this as a flame, but a genuine question in light of evidence that mental illness often runs in families. Have you ever sought analysis or professional advice? I ask because one of the key barriers to treating mental issues is people accepting they may have an issue. Given you feel you need to bring everyone else around, perhaps it’s time to look inward instead?

Actually mate I do suffer from mental illness but its certainly not paranoia, thanks for the diagnosis though. And what ever I might have is not drug induced and I do accept and seek treatment.. Which is why my oppinion on the mental health system is strong. I should’ve thought before I wrote knowing how you all leave no room for oppinions and questioning Canberra’s mental health system is just a great big ‘no no’.

I am far from paranoid maybe when you’ve been let down as much as my family by people who we are all asked to rely on, you would react in the same manner as me.. I dont have time for this anyway, I thought maybe as a community page I might have been able to give you all an understanding into the news reports, that failed to mention any of my brothers underlying issues but as usual I just seem to be fighting a losing battle and standing up for something that is obviously very insignificant..

Its also just re enforcing the oh so common feelings of being an outsider. Quite sad actually but anywho, we have survived this long I guess we can keep going..

Recidivism rates are an issue, mental illness or not. If someone chooses to re-offend, to waste the chances they are given, then so be it. The state can not hold someone’s hand through life like a parent. Now there’s a thought… parental responsibility. Any comment on that?

My only comment on parental responsibility is yes, I do feel somewhat responsible for my son’s situation. I openly admit that I cannot manage at times and have sought assistance without any success. I often have no voice or say in interventions, medication or case plans because he is an adult – so have very little impact on anything. I do my utmost to stay connected to him despite his constant withdrawal and as I stated earlier, I am sorry that the neighbours were frightened. I have been dealing with this for almost 10 years, analysed, questioned, blamed myself at times. As a parent, you cannot help but feel your child’s pain and wonder what you could have done to stop things breaking down so badly.

So many years of dealing with this though – has given me a good insight into what works and what doesn’t. I do not expect the State to hold someone’s hand either. My expectation of a State funded Mental Health System is to do what it has been set up to do. Currently, it is sorely lacking. Given that the majority of people in prison have some form of mental health issue or substance dependency, the rates of recidivism show that jail is not working for them. It’s about time, other avenues are pursued.

I love it when people offer mental health diagnoses over the internet. As much as I enjoy the cut and thrust of a good flame thread, it’s helpful to remember that it’s usually not just the trolls who are coming across as exaggerated versions of themselves.

colourful sydney racing identity3:31 pm 26 May 11

stacee9 said :

I will just leave it at that as these people seem like a bunch of mature aged bullies looking for a fight…
.

Thank you for your post and your explanation of your situation. My heart goes out to you and yours. I wish you and your brother all the best. May he find peace in himself.

colourful sydney racing identity3:29 pm 26 May 11

Pommy bastard said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Serious question for you PB: do you believe that there is sufficient funding for mental health services in the ACT?

No I do not.

Question for you, do you believe that a person who is arrested for smashing up his own property, growing dope, selling dope, attacking the police with a syringe, one who is taken to the watch house, (where they would be assessed), and who is subsequently released on bail on the understanding that he doesn’t go near drugs or alcohol, but who is not taken to a mental health facility, secure or otherwise, and does not have any mental health treatment enforced on him has;

a) Criminal behaviour

Or

b) Mental health issues

As their main problem?

Without knowing the full facts of this case I do not feel I can make as simplistc a judgement as you propose. What I can say is that criminal behaviour by people suffering mental illness often stems from a failure to adequately treat their illness. For example the person being pushed from doctor to doctor, being given medication that does not interact well with other medication they are using etc.

I don’t know if you have been close to someone who has suffered any form of sever mental illness, but from a person who has I can tell you it is gut wrenching and heart breaking to see and there is no simple tick box A or box B to define why they have behaved in a particular way. To suggest there is shows either ignorance or disregard to the suffering of others.

creative_canberran3:17 pm 26 May 11

stacee9 said :

And now I cant believe I have spent so much time justifying our family to you people.

Violet dont bother writing back as I think im going to make these people an their oppinions insignificant as they have done to my brother. At the end of the day they have no right to speculate and even if we were to bring them around, this society seems to turn a blind eye to its many underlying issues as a way to pretend everything is perfect!! Which is quite ironic cause in the same sense, my brother blocks out hurt, anger and pain as a way to pretend things aren’t as bad as they seem. And look how well that worked out.. he lost control and broke the law.. My point being is you can’t pretend for ever and the truth will come out, pity it’ll be to late for the poor souls that slipped through the cracks.

Good day to all of you and I honestly pray that none of you ever have to feel the way he does, cause you’ve made it quite clear that it is unacceptable to behave and feel certain ways in this society. So to be mentally ill and behave out of the ordinary is not allowed and you will be swept under the rug ALONE!!!

This and some of your other posts show signs of paranoia among other things. I don’t mean this as a flame, but a genuine question in light of evidence that mental illness often runs in families. Have you ever sought analysis or professional advice? I ask because one of the key barriers to treating mental issues is people accepting they may have an issue. Given you feel you need to bring everyone else around, perhaps it’s time to look inward instead?

And now I cant believe I have spent so much time justifying our family to you people.

Violet dont bother writing back as I think im going to make these people an their oppinions insignificant as they have done to my brother. At the end of the day they have no right to speculate and even if we were to bring them around, this society seems to turn a blind eye to its many underlying issues as a way to pretend everything is perfect!! Which is quite ironic cause in the same sense, my brother blocks out hurt, anger and pain as a way to pretend things aren’t as bad as they seem. And look how well that worked out.. he lost control and broke the law.. My point being is you can’t pretend for ever and the truth will come out, pity it’ll be to late for the poor souls that slipped through the cracks.

Good day to all of you and I honestly pray that none of you ever have to feel the way he does, cause you’ve made it quite clear that it is unacceptable to behave and feel certain ways in this society. So to be mentally ill and behave out of the ordinary is not allowed and you will be swept under the rug ALONE!!!

Violet68 said :

PS You’re quite a nasty little man aren’t you?

You’re obviously new here.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Serious question for you PB: do you believe that there is sufficient funding for mental health services in the ACT?

According to PB, mentally ill people have no-one to blame but themselves.

I will just leave it at that as these people seem like a bunch of mature aged bullies looking for a fight.

At the end of the day I know the full story as it has been part of my life for years.. as do our family and the people surrounding us, I may have gone about expressing my views the wrong way by abbreviating my typing and talking in a text manner. I apologise for that my blood was boiling at the time as any of yours would be too if people were degrading one of your family members.

I have never once in any of my messages layed the blame on anyone for the criminal matters except my brother, I do how ever believe that the situation at hand could of been somewhat prevented had our pleas for help been answered many years ago. The mental health system is shocking but I guess no one could understand that view unless they had experienced it first hand. There are some serious downfalls in the entire government sector and its quite worrying that a massive one is in our Mental health system.

I watched them dose my brother up with drugs and turn him into a zombie, I then watched him be released without any helping hands. Infact none of his family were even notified of his discharge. He was left to fend for himself, which he did as well as he could by finding himself a full time job in which he still has and removing himself from negative environments.

Whilst I know that cannabis is a massive contributing factor to mental health I would like to make it known that my brothers issues arose long before his smoking habits. I myself dont condone the smoking of marijuana and it has never been an enjoyment for me. How ever I believe (and this is just guessing as my brother gave up on confiding in me along time ago) that Jye cannot cope with every day life and judgemental people like yourselves. He also cannndle the emotions that most of us are forced to feel everyday, I believe that he smokes to numb this pain as he isn’t in a state of mind to deal with it.

I would like to retract my previous statement about junkies taking advantage of him, and possibly shed a little more light on the matter. My brother lived with my mother and then myself until it became to much of a risk as I was heavily pregnant and going through my own problems. He then entered the refuge system and was placed in a flat in Kenangra Court in the city, against my mothers protests as she had major concerns. It was at that point were drugs became involved, if any of you had met him you would realise he is a complete mis-fit in Canberra’s criminal and drug scene. He has a heart and is usually very far from the violent type, he is honest and loyal which has indeed landing him in lots of trouble. He has since relocated to Griffith where whilst he might still smoke drugs, he continues with his everyday commitments.

I have always admired his strength and will to carry on, as I haven’t experienced half the stuff he has and I still find it hard to manage. It kills me inside knowing that he blocks out his feelings, as it has turned him into a bitter, lonely young man. Whilst you and I might get knocked down, most of us will get back up and move on. Jye gets back up but finds it hard to let go of all his pain. He also finds it hard to rely on the help of services as they have always let him down. He feels like a no one in this world and at times I believe he is ashamed of who he is.. With all the comments people have posted against him anyone could understand why.

I do not blame the police either, however they could have gone about things in a different manner. They are quite familiar with my brother and my family due to the many times we have contacted them for advice and help. People with mental health issues need to be approached in certain non-intimidating ways and as ofiicers of the law the AFP should be trained to do that. Instead they whether with intention or not provoked him to the point where he felt threatened and reacted. I have never once witnessed my brother intentionally hurt anyone, infact he dwells on the many times he has been attacked and bashed by bullies.

I have tried to read and understand my brother as have my family, we have spent years trying to help and many tears have been shed. It has come to the point where he has gone from being my ‘best mate’ to my enemy as he believes we are out to get him, due to all the attempts to help. My brother went from being an average student who was a top football player to a dark outsider no one accepts. His personally isnt and never has been accepted in society, whilst his trouble with the law has been brought upon himself, his mental state has not.

It hurts seeing so many people so quick to judge and degrade at the end of the day he is a human being just like the rest of us. Sometimes I await something bad to happen as he is an angry hurt boy who cant find a friend or ally anywhere. Seeing this page has made me realise what he has to deal with, it is a nasty world and none of us are perfect but to be fair most peoples flaws are accepted. One day I will have my incredibly loving ‘normal’ brother back and I have no doubt he will go very far and i’ll be sure to note his success’s on here.

I hope you all feel very proud of yourselfs cause not only have you managed to put a human being in the no-hoping junky basket. You managed for a few moments to make me second guess myself and feel 2 inches tall. But dont worry it didn’t last long, I love my family faults or not and when we have recovered from this down stage in life we wont have any of you to thank. They say people grow up and bullying stops at some point, you all have just proved otherwise.

ID JUST LIKE TO REPEAT- So there is no room for question – I DONT blame anyone for my brothers criminal behaviour, I DONT think the neighbours shouldnt have called police (as I wouldve done the same) and I dont think growing marijuana is acceptable. I DO believe though that everyone is innocent until proven guilty and everyone deserves FAIRNESS and EQUALITY.

This could get stabby 🙂

Pommy bastard said :

Can you tell us the answer to your dope growing/smoking/selling, house smashing, police assaulting, neighbour annoying, son’s problems then Violet, as nothing that society has done for him seems to suit your standards.

Obviously you exempt him from any culpability, so how would you like the rest of the world to change to accommodate him, and what would you like the legal, health, social, and other services paid for by the tax payer to provide to your son?

My hardworking, resilient, gentle, funny, sensitive young son would really benefit from ongoing support to manage his daily life – none of which has been forthcoming. Actually, he’s been a very small drain on community services. He’s very independent. Society has also been less than kind to him. You are a good example of that. Police, Court costs and the costs of time spent in jail could be avoided with better treatment in the community – but you appear to think this is the answer for him. Pretty costly solution.

I don’t expect the world to change. My wish list would be to change stigma and attitudes and the provision of an ongoing, consistent response from the mental health system – as has been recommended on several occasions by various Inquiries.

PS You’re quite a nasty little man aren’t you?

creative_canberran2:42 pm 26 May 11

Violet68 said :

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

People with mental illness are often criminalised. That’s why our jail’s are full of them. Yep just lock em up and forget about em!

Not at all, prisons have comprehensive rehabilitation programs or pathways in which to enter such programs for mental illness, drug use and alcoholism.

People are not criminalised for having a mental illness, but for the actions they commit. They are subject to the force of the law like any other citizen. If they choose not to undertake the rehabilitation and treatment available, then that is their choice.

Are they successful? Got any stats on recidivism rates? Check it out. Jails don’t work for these type of issues

Recidivism rates are an issue, mental illness or not. If someone chooses to re-offend, to waste the chances they are given, then so be it. The state can not hold someone’s hand through life like a parent. Now there’s a thought… parental responsibility. Any comment on that?

creative_canberran said :

Violet68 said :

People with mental illness are often criminalised. That’s why our jail’s are full of them. Yep just lock em up and forget about em!

Not at all, prisons have comprehensive rehabilitation programs or pathways in which to enter such programs for mental illness, drug use and alcoholism.

People are not criminalised for having a mental illness, but for the actions they commit. They are subject to the force of the law like any other citizen. If they choose not to undertake the rehabilitation and treatment available, then that is their choice.

Are they successful? Got any stats on recidivism rates? Check it out. Jails don’t work for these type of issues

Ozi said :

Violet68 said :

Feel free to let us know what sort of order he IS on then! It would be most interesting and would help us understand the boundaries he must abide by now that he is once more living amongst us.

Also, on the flip side, criminals often play the “mental health” card to a) absolve themselves of responsibility for their own actions and b) avoid criminal convictions. Anu Singh springs to mind as one example, but there are countless others. Just pick a murderer who went on trail between 2000 and 2009 in the ACT at random. It’s a fun game.

Ah so you don’t know then? Good stuff! Again, you show your ignorance about the details of this case. My son is ashamed and embarrassed and doesn’t confide in anyone. He does his damn hardest every day to get himself out of bed and off to work to earn an honest living. He does not cry or complain or use his illness to get him anywhere and struggles through DESPITE attitudes such as yours.

Now we are likening him to murderers are we? Settle down – I think you are finding this a little too exciting for my liking and it’s getting weird! And no, this is not a game to me. Glad you’re having fun at my family’s expense……gives a good insight in the type of person you are……

creative_canberran2:22 pm 26 May 11

Violet68 said :

People with mental illness are often criminalised. That’s why our jail’s are full of them. Yep just lock em up and forget about em!

Not at all, prisons have comprehensive rehabilitation programs or pathways in which to enter such programs for mental illness, drug use and alcoholism.

People are not criminalised for having a mental illness, but for the actions they commit. They are subject to the force of the law like any other citizen. If they choose not to undertake the rehabilitation and treatment available, then that is their choice.

Pommy bastard2:21 pm 26 May 11

Can you tell us the answer to your dope growing/smoking/selling, house smashing, police assaulting, neighbour annoying, son’s problems then Violet, as nothing that society has done for him seems to suit your standards.

Obviously you exempt him from any culpability, so how would you like the rest of the world to change to accommodate him, and what would you like the legal, health, social, and other services paid for by the tax payer to provide to your son?

People like me… what does that mean? Oh yes, people who can think and reason.

The problem with your argument is you assume people are automatons, that they are not capable of reasonable thought in relation to a condition they may have.

I try not to assume anything about anything or anyone and that is the difference between people like me and people like you. The more I learn the less I actually KNOW.

I have watched the doctors experiment on my son with goodness knows what kind of drugs. I’ve watched him go up, down, sleep the days away and also become manic – thanks to one psychiatrist. They openly say they need to get the dose right but they never do. Last time we went to the PSU, the staff stated that his psychosis was due to his PRESCRIBED medication. So they can LEGALLY mess with his mind but he can’t?

You show very little ability to think outside the square. I’m sure you fit into ALL the boxes of life and as a result, have become a little square…….

Violet68 said :

If you are going to base your argument on an assessment done by Forensic Mental Health, then I no longer believe you have significant experience of the realities faced by people with mental health in this Territory. Psychiatric Treatment Orders are not worth the paper they are written on – especially once a person has been discharged from hospital. Please do get your facts straight. You don’t even know what type of Order he is on and you have not mentioned all of the things he was ordered to do – so either you do not know or you chose to ignore them. People with mental illness are often criminalised. That’s why our jail’s are full of them. Yep just lock em up and forget about em!

Feel free to let us know what sort of order he IS on then! It would be most interesting and would help us understand the boundaries he must abide by now that he is once more living amongst us.

Also, on the flip side, criminals often play the “mental health” card to a) absolve themselves of responsibility for their own actions and b) avoid criminal convictions. Anu Singh springs to mind as one example, but there are countless others. Just pick a murderer who went on trail between 2000 and 2009 in the ACT at random. It’s a fun game.

Pommy bastard said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Serious question for you PB: do you believe that there is sufficient funding for mental health services in the ACT?

No I do not.

Question for you, do you believe that a person who is arrested for smashing up his own property, growing dope, selling dope, attacking the police with a syringe, one who is taken to the watch house, (where they would be assessed), and who is subsequently released on bail on the understanding that he doesn’t go near drugs or alcohol, but who is not taken to a mental health facility, secure or otherwise, and does not have any mental health treatment enforced on him has;

a) Criminal behaviour

Or

b) Mental health issues

As their main problem?

If you are going to base your argument on an assessment done by Forensic Mental Health, then I no longer believe you have significant experience of the realities faced by people with mental health in this Territory. Psychiatric Treatment Orders are not worth the paper they are written on – especially once a person has been discharged from hospital. Please do get your facts straight. You don’t even know what type of Order he is on and you have not mentioned all of the things he was ordered to do – so either you do not know or you chose to ignore them. People with mental illness are often criminalised. That’s why our jail’s are full of them. Yep just lock em up and forget about em!

creative_canberran1:57 pm 26 May 11

Violet68 said :

creative_canberran said :

stacee9 said :

judgemental ppl bringing him down..

As for his state of mind, I refer you to the crimes act which precludes self induced intoxication (which includes consumption of drugs) from reducing the criminal liability of a person. That is to say that if he chose to do the drugs and he as a result of that choice entered a mentally unstable state, he is still to blame.

Drugs are a lifestyle choice, not a disease.

As I stated earlier, even the mental health professionals cannot confirm what has caused the illness. I’ll have to direct them to this site for some expert advice.

I do wonder if people like you believe that obesity, cancer and diabetes are all the results of lifestyle choices and people with those conditions should also be blamed for their predicaments also. Wouldn’t surprise me.

People like me… what does that mean? Oh yes, people who can think and reason.

The problem with your argument is you assume people are automatons, that they are not capable of reasonable thought in relation to a condition they may have.

Take Type 2 Diabetes, science shows that the most damaging factor that brings on the condition is the build of fat around the waist, the fatty acids from which directly correlate to damage to insulin regulation. It is a lifestyle choice to eat a diet that causes that build up of fat and a lifestyle choice not to seek treatment to prevent or reverse that.

Obesity, again, it’s your body and your responsibility to take whatever steps are required to prevent health problems, whether that’s lifestyle choices like diet or talking to a doctor.

Cancer is certainly one where lifestyle is often involved. Not always, but you can’t argue with sun tanning causing melanoma or smoking causing lung cancer.

Now this person may well have had an existing condition, perhaps depression or bipolar and he chose to medicate it with illicit drugs. The condition isn’t the issue, it is how he chose the medicate it. Rather than seek professional help, he chose to become deliberately intoxicated on an illicit substance and therefore is liable for his actions.

Tooks said :

Violet68 said :

LSWCHP said :

Violet68 said :

Congratulations. You’ve succeeded in closing your small mind even further. Outstanding!

Were YOU there? How many times do criminals lie to get out of an arrest or to get off a charge? You bag the CT (not necessarily disagreeing with that either) as an unreliable source of info, yet we are supposed to trust you – who wasn’t even there apparently – based on the version of events given by your mentally ill friend.

They probably chose to arrest after your buddy attacked them (your suggestion he was attacking himself is laughable). Kind of took the decision out of their hands, didn’t he? Ever heard of PSU refusing to take someone due to violent behaviour? I have. Like it or not, mental illness isn’t a get out of jail free card which allows people to attack police (or anyone else) without consequences.

As for your stupid rant about the “big bust” – the only person saying it’s a big bust is you, and you’re making yourself look quite foolish doing so. No one thinks it is a big bust and no one (apart from you) is saying it is.

This is my son you are talking about and I have considerably more information than you do about the incident. My son did not allow Police to enter his property. He told them everything was fine – yet they entered his property anyway. They know the history yet they made no attempt to seek treatment (yet they are quite happy to bleat about being trained to deal with mental illness).

The PSU has taken my son before in a similar state. I find it contradictory that the PSU only takes people in without their consent if they are “at risk to themselves or others” – yet you are saying they are turning people away because they are too violent…..

Also, violence is totally out of character for my son but you wouldn’t know that because you don’t know HIM. He is more likely to hurt himself than anyone else. I have seen Police in action and they are definitely not sympathetic. I base my conclusions on a thorough knowledge of the history and the balance of probabilities. It is extremely unlikely that he attacked anyone. I don’t always automatically defend my son, but in this case I am and will continue to do so.

Have another beer, write another comment……I don’t give a f***.

Pommy bastard1:27 pm 26 May 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Serious question for you PB: do you believe that there is sufficient funding for mental health services in the ACT?

No I do not.

Question for you, do you believe that a person who is arrested for smashing up his own property, growing dope, selling dope, attacking the police with a syringe, one who is taken to the watch house, (where they would be assessed), and who is subsequently released on bail on the understanding that he doesn’t go near drugs or alcohol, but who is not taken to a mental health facility, secure or otherwise, and does not have any mental health treatment enforced on him has;

a) Criminal behaviour

Or

b) Mental health issues

As their main problem?

johnboy said :

correlation does not equal causation.

Thank you

creative_canberran said :

stacee9 said :

judgemental ppl bringing him down..

As for his state of mind, I refer you to the crimes act which precludes self induced intoxication (which includes consumption of drugs) from reducing the criminal liability of a person. That is to say that if he chose to do the drugs and he as a result of that choice entered a mentally unstable state, he is still to blame.

Drugs are a lifestyle choice, not a disease.

As I stated earlier, even the mental health professionals cannot confirm what has caused the illness. I’ll have to direct them to this site for some expert advice.

I do wonder if people like you believe that obesity, cancer and diabetes are all the results of lifestyle choices and people with those conditions should also be blamed for their predicaments also. Wouldn’t surprise me.

Actually it’s our teenage commenters who tend to be the biggest grammar nazis.

Stacee…..don’t bother anymore. This is supposed to be a site for free speech however, it depends on what form you use and if it is acceptable to the scholars on here. Looks like noone wants to be flexible and think about the ways gen Y may choose to communicate. Just confirms how limited the views may be. Let’s just concentrate on the person at the centre of this and forget about what anyone else thinks.

colourful sydney racing identity1:05 pm 26 May 11

Serious question for you PB: do you believe that there is sufficient funding for mental health services in the ACT?

Rest assured you nosy do-gooder Jye will comply with his bail conditions quite fine!!! N thanks heaps 4 putting his name up hey.. really appreciate it!! TOP JOB!!!

You’re quite welcome. The Canberra Times named him, not me.

I know they did, but u had 2 put it on the site didnt u.. no respect

That’s because there was more than one mention about the inaccuracies of the Canberra Times, so I thought I ‘d check it out the story and allow others to do the same.

In all seriousness, I respect the loyalty you have for your brother and the fact you are getting qualifications. But you’ll generally put peoples’ noses out of joint if you blame everyone but your brother for his actions.

If he needs help, then I sincerely hope he gets it. Surely his drug use can’t be helping though?

Pommy bastard12:58 pm 26 May 11

Ah, but that’s really complex, and removes the joy of being able to blame any of the the person’s problems on public services, the police, mental health anybody in fact apart from the errmmmmm person who attacked the police..

It’s much easier if you can just blame governement services, rather than expect people to take responsibility for their own actions … preferably while taking the word of, and absolving, their erudite and thoughtful relations on the matter too….

Fixed that for you…

Violet68 said :

LSWCHP said :

Violet68 said :

Congratulations. You’ve succeeded in closing your small mind even further. Outstanding!

When I’m presented with incoherent deranged ranting by people who can’t string together comprehensible sentences written in the English language in order to make a reasonable argument then yes, I close my mind. Stacee9, you know I’m looking at you.

When the deranged ranting involves making the most bizarrely implausible claims like “when he started getting stabby with the syringe, he was actually trying to do *himself* with it and not the cop but he just missed, truly ruly” then I just don’t close my mind, I lock the padlock to secure the premises and walk off to the pub.

Were you there? Do you know how many times Police embellish the truth to get an arrest? There are two sides to every story and IF you ever get out of the Pub and around to writing your book on your experiences of mental illness, could you include that TREATMENT is preferable to arresting someone who is clearly unwell. It is extremely clear to me, in this case, as I do know both sides of the story quite well – unlike you, who has read a snippet from the Canberra Times (not the most reliable source of information there is) that Police CHOSE to arrest rather than seek treatment. They DO have an option to take a person for treatment and they DO know the history involved here but it was in their interests to claim there was a domestic and pat themselves on the back for a “big bust”.

Enjoy your beer and the Canberra Times. You don’t have a padlock on your mind…..you have your head up your arse.

Were YOU there? How many times do criminals lie to get out of an arrest or to get off a charge? You bag the CT (not necessarily disagreeing with that either) as an unreliable source of info, yet we are supposed to trust you – who wasn’t even there apparently – based on the version of events given by your mentally ill friend.

They probably chose to arrest after your buddy attacked them (your suggestion he was attacking himself is laughable). Kind of took the decision out of their hands, didn’t he? Ever heard of PSU refusing to take someone due to violent behaviour? I have. Like it or not, mental illness isn’t a get out of jail free card which allows people to attack police (or anyone else) without consequences.

As for your stupid rant about the “big bust” – the only person saying it’s a big bust is you, and you’re making yourself look quite foolish doing so. No one thinks it is a big bust and no one (apart from you) is saying it is.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Rather than being about blame, I think it sounds more like an example of what can happen with inadequate mental health services.

Ah, but that’s really complex, and removes the joy of being able to blame all the worlds problems on deadbeat scum.

It’s much easier if you can just blame someone … preferably in an angry voice on talkback radio.

Apologies. I’m an idiot and have posted in the wrong conversation! How embarrassment…

colourful sydney racing identity11:48 am 26 May 11

Chop71 said :

Stacey – Mental health has not let him down …….. him smoking pot has let him down!!!

Great diagnosis Dr Chop 71. How can you know there was any correlation between the use of cannibas and mental health issues in this case?

colourful sydney racing identity11:45 am 26 May 11

Pommy bastard said :

So what have we learned?

The neighbours are to blame for dobbing this man in for smashing up “his” property, which is paid for by us taxpayers.

The police are to blame for not allowing him to get on with it, not realising he was actually attacking himself when he lunged at them with a syringe, and for stitching him up to their own nefarious ends.

Mental health ACT are to blame for trying to turn him into a Zombie, (where’s Sean when you need him.)

Society is to blame for criminalising the cannabis plants which he is well enough to purchase and install the equipment to set up a hydroponics system to grow, (though obviously he is too unwell work in horticulture.)

The fact that he sells drugs just goes to show what a strong work ethic he has, which would be to his credit, if only society would not persecute him for his way of indulging it.

A RiotACT member is to blame for transposing his name for the Canberra Times website t this one, (otherwise we would all have been in the dark as to his identity.)

The “junkies” of this town are to blame for taking advantage of his sweet and naive manner.

And the rest of us are to blame for commenting, as we should just let this family in peace to continue to raise and nurture this man as the fine and reasonable person he was until this thread brought him to our attention.

Anyone posting in correct English is uneducated.

If there is a member of decent Canberra society who hasn’t stepped up to take their share of blame for this man’s predicament yet, can you form an orderly queue to apologise to stace and violet for your lack of understanding as to your culpability please.

Have I got it all right now?

Rather than being about blame, I think it sounds more like an example of what can happen with inadequate mental health services.

Stacey – Mental health has not let him down …….. him smoking pot has let him down!!!

Pommy bastard11:38 am 26 May 11

So what have we learned?

The neighbours are to blame for dobbing this man in for smashing up “his” property, which is paid for by us taxpayers.

The police are to blame for not allowing him to get on with it, not realising he was actually attacking himself when he lunged at them with a syringe, and for stitching him up to their own nefarious ends.

Mental health ACT are to blame for trying to turn him into a Zombie, (where’s Sean when you need him.)

Society is to blame for criminalising the cannabis plants which he is well enough to purchase and install the equipment to set up a hydroponics system to grow, (though obviously he is too unwell work in horticulture.)

The fact that he sells drugs just goes to show what a strong work ethic he has, which would be to his credit, if only society would not persecute him for his way of indulging it.

A RiotACT member is to blame for transposing his name for the Canberra Times website t this one, (otherwise we would all have been in the dark as to his identity.)

The “junkies” of this town are to blame for taking advantage of his sweet and naive manner.

And the rest of us are to blame for commenting, as we should just let this family in peace to continue to raise and nurture this man as the fine and reasonable person he was until this thread brought him to our attention.

Anyone posting in correct English is uneducated.

If there is a member of decent Canberra society who hasn’t stepped up to take their share of blame for this man’s predicament yet, can you form an orderly queue to apologise to stace and violet for your lack of understanding as to your culpability please.

Have I got it all right now?

colourful sydney racing identity11:34 am 26 May 11

Stacee,

People on this site, myself included, will take you more seriously if you take the time to type words out fully. When you post the way you have been, you are inviting the response you have received, you present as an easy target and people will try and wind you up.

If you really want advice on dealing with mental health issues, or want to set the record straight on the events that involved your brother, take the time to compose your post rather than posting abbreviation filled rants.

I have been close to people with serious mental health issues and know what a challenge it is and sympathise with you – so if your posting style gets someone like me stirring you, imagine what it does to those who are on this site to troll or don’t care about other people’s mental health.

I hope that your brother finds the support he needs and that he is able to get on with his life. Also with hindsight, I apologise for any pain I have caused you in my previous posts – mental health issues are not a laughing matter and, from experience, I know that it is often harder for the family than it is for the person suffering the illness.

Good luck.

stacee9 said :

Feathergirl said :

Lord I could write so much on this thread, but I think it’s all been said. Stacee yr LOL speak is hurtin mi brain nows LOL LOL LOL etc etc.

Please, if nothing else take Robertson’s advice, although it will make your rants less funny (I love it when they say they’ll leave then come back) I plead with you to learn to communicate better.

I dont need to give u’s anything.. when u cant give my brother the respect he deserves.. ill abbreviate wat i want.. i dont care if u think i cant spell, i guess that probably makes me a junky menace too.. How low do u guys stoop.. i am open to advice as all we’ve done in the past to help has not succeeded.. The advice u lot r giving we heard along time ago.. I know dope is not good for his brain, we figured that one out from day dot.. wat we need is an answer.. its been going on for years and the mental health system has let him down.. For the last 5 mths i have had little contact with him as he’s pushed me away.. He has been in the Psychiatric ward n that was cause my family n i called for help.. they let him out after three mths with no support n all his medication 2 distribute himself.. u have no idea so pls leave it..
and i came back bcos it hurts seeing u lot writing this stuff about my brother..

I feelz ur payn, my brus waz ina grow howse an he got raydid wen sum cun offa dog dobed him in. Fark wat theese ppl tink, thay don kno what its lik.

Restecp

(Gospel Choir singing “In the Ghetto” echo’s in the distance)

shadow boxer11:16 am 26 May 11

johnboy said :

correlation does not equal causation.

Yeh agreed JB, it’s an interesting area, i’ve smoked way too much in my life and have watched a couple of friends succumb to schizophrenia while smoking.

It certainly doesn’t effect everyone that smokes. Would they have gone there anyway, maybe, but my best guess based on what I saw is probably not.

Feathergirl said :

Lord I could write so much on this thread, but I think it’s all been said. Stacee yr LOL speak is hurtin mi brain nows LOL LOL LOL etc etc.

Please, if nothing else take Robertson’s advice, although it will make your rants less funny (I love it when they say they’ll leave then come back) I plead with you to learn to communicate better.

I dont need to give u’s anything.. when u cant give my brother the respect he deserves.. ill abbreviate wat i want.. i dont care if u think i cant spell, i guess that probably makes me a junky menace too.. How low do u guys stoop.. i am open to advice as all we’ve done in the past to help has not succeeded.. The advice u lot r giving we heard along time ago.. I know dope is not good for his brain, we figured that one out from day dot.. wat we need is an answer.. its been going on for years and the mental health system has let him down.. For the last 5 mths i have had little contact with him as he’s pushed me away.. He has been in the Psychiatric ward n that was cause my family n i called for help.. they let him out after three mths with no support n all his medication 2 distribute himself.. u have no idea so pls leave it..
and i came back bcos it hurts seeing u lot writing this stuff about my brother..

creative_canberran11:06 am 26 May 11

stacee9 said :

I appreciate that n thanks 4 ur honesty.. I agree completely.. it causes a hell of alot more than hallucinations, but his state of mind is that fragile n with the lack of help he recieves he cant handle day to day emotions like we can. I beleive he needs it 2 numb those feelings purely to survive on a day to day basis..
However i am glad its gone, i just hope n pray that he is strong enuff 2 find himself again.. without judgemental ppl bringing him down..

Learn to use a keyboard and how the english language works. It’s not like dropping the “a” and “d” from “and” is either economical in time nor are omitting those characters helping to reduce carbon emissions. They just reduce other’s tolerance for you.

As for his state of mind, I refer you to the crimes act which precludes self induced intoxication (which includes consumption of drugs) from reducing the criminal liability of a person. That is to say that if he chose to do the drugs and he as a result of that choice entered a mentally unstable state, he is still to blame.

Drugs are a lifestyle choice, not a disease.

correlation does not equal causation.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Violet68 said :

cleo said :

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

You are so far off track it’s quite laughable but Wow, I’d love to have all the answers like you do.

Hang around a while, she was more on track than normal on this one.

Hang on where did selling dope come into it?? He is mentally ill and has no associates.. he sticks to himself as junkies seem to take to him n love taking advantage of him.. again not excuses just THE WAY IT IS!!

Tooks said :

stacee9 said :

Tooks said :

Let’s hope his friends, Stacee and Violet (if they are actually two separate people) can keep their friend on the straight and narrow. Might find these bail conditions hard to comply with (the following is from today’s Canberra Times):

A man accused of attacking police with a syringe after they found a cannabis crop in his home has been granted bail on the proviso he steer clear of alcohol and drugs.

Jye Joseph McGrath was arrested at his home in Griffith on Monday night after police, responding to reports of a disturbance, allegedly found nine large cannabis plants and a hydroponic set-up in a bedroom. Police alleged McGrath, who had previously been cooperative, then lunged at an officer with a syringe.

Rest assured you nosy do-gooder Jye will comply with his bail conditions quite fine!!! N thanks heaps 4 putting his name up hey.. really appreciate it!! TOP JOB!!!

You’re quite welcome. The Canberra Times named him, not me.

I know they did, but u had 2 put it on the site didnt u.. no respect

shadow boxer11:01 am 26 May 11

I feel dirty reading this thread. You would think some of the Rednecks would still be wiping egg off their faces from the road rage thread but they found time to pick at some-one in obvious emotional distress.

The link between marijuana and those with a pre-disposition to schitzophrenia is pretty well documented now.

Robertson said :

Stacee – just a word of advice – it will stand you in good stead in all your endeavors, but especially in gaining employment, if you could stop trying to communicate using “text-speak” and if you could practice writing in correct english. If you need help, there are plenty of course at CIT which are available, and you can even get Centrelink to help pay for them for you.

Learning and working are two very effective ways to improve self-respect, gain respect, and thus improve your life experience.

Thanks 4 the advice mate.. but im actually just about to complete my business cert 3, which may seem lame 2 u but im actually a young single mum of two, i have plenty of skills when it comes 2 office management.. u lot just make me that wild i find it easier to abbreviate.. pls dnt b so quick to judge mate cos as ive said over n over u’s have no idea.. now im done justifying and trying to prove myself to all of u.. cos at the end of the day ur oppinions dnt matter.. I just didnt want u all stereotyping my brother but it seems u will anyway.. Just to clarify for the last time i dont condone breaking the law or wat he has done at all, i just wish someone would help.. rather then all this negativity n judging.. He is not a big criminal, he wouldnt survive in jail with those animals.. he needs help!! It just doesnt seem to be out there..

PBO said :

Jim Jones said :

cleo said :

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

That’s right – because we all know that no-one ever had mental health issues without drugs, don’t we?

Cleo, you sound like the narrator from ‘Reefer Madness’.

You just reminded me of this comment from reefer madness:

Do your children enjoy jazz music? For I am here to tell you that Cab Calloway, Dizzy Gillespie, Duke Ellington, and the whole weed-blowing ginger-colored lot are merely masquerading as musicians and are, in fact, agents of evil. Reefer slows down the smoker’s sense of time, allowing him to squeeze in unnecessary grace notes, giving this voodoo music the power to hypnotize white women into indulging in acts of unspeakable degradation.

My National Enquirer says that musicians cannot play a single note unless they eat drugs first!

Lord I could write so much on this thread, but I think it’s all been said. Stacee yr LOL speak is hurtin mi brain nows LOL LOL LOL etc etc.

Please, if nothing else take Robertson’s advice, although it will make your rants less funny (I love it when they say they’ll leave then come back) I plead with you to learn to communicate better.

Jim Jones said :

cleo said :

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

That’s right – because we all know that no-one ever had mental health issues without drugs, don’t we?

Cleo, you sound like the narrator from ‘Reefer Madness’.

You just reminded me of this comment from reefer madness:

Do your children enjoy jazz music? For I am here to tell you that Cab Calloway, Dizzy Gillespie, Duke Ellington, and the whole weed-blowing ginger-colored lot are merely masquerading as musicians and are, in fact, agents of evil. Reefer slows down the smoker’s sense of time, allowing him to squeeze in unnecessary grace notes, giving this voodoo music the power to hypnotize white women into indulging in acts of unspeakable degradation.

cleo said :

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

That’s right – because we all know that no-one ever had mental health issues without drugs, don’t we?

Cleo, you sound like the narrator from ‘Reefer Madness’.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Violet68 said :

cleo said :

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

You are so far off track it’s quite laughable but Wow, I’d love to have all the answers like you do.

Hang around a while, she was more on track than normal on this one.

Really, last I checked there was little evidence to suggest that it creates psychosis. There is some evidence that in people with an underlying illness, pot will bring it out earlier in life. A lot of that will depend on the illness and the people concerned. Drugs effect people differently.

People with a mental illness take medication to fit into society so they can share in the benefits. Which drug works for them will vary. Its not unusual to find pot to be one of these drugs.

Stacee – just a word of advice – it will stand you in good stead in all your endeavors, but especially in gaining employment, if you could stop trying to communicate using “text-speak” and if you could practice writing in correct english. If you need help, there are plenty of course at CIT which are available, and you can even get Centrelink to help pay for them for you.

Learning and working are two very effective ways to improve self-respect, gain respect, and thus improve your life experience.

stacee9 said :

Tooks said :

Let’s hope his friends, Stacee and Violet (if they are actually two separate people) can keep their friend on the straight and narrow. Might find these bail conditions hard to comply with (the following is from today’s Canberra Times):

A man accused of attacking police with a syringe after they found a cannabis crop in his home has been granted bail on the proviso he steer clear of alcohol and drugs.

Jye Joseph McGrath was arrested at his home in Griffith on Monday night after police, responding to reports of a disturbance, allegedly found nine large cannabis plants and a hydroponic set-up in a bedroom. Police alleged McGrath, who had previously been cooperative, then lunged at an officer with a syringe.

Rest assured you nosy do-gooder Jye will comply with his bail conditions quite fine!!! N thanks heaps 4 putting his name up hey.. really appreciate it!! TOP JOB!!!

You’re quite welcome. The Canberra Times named him, not me.

colourful sydney racing identity8:26 am 26 May 11

Violet68 said :

cleo said :

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

You are so far off track it’s quite laughable but Wow, I’d love to have all the answers like you do.

Hang around a while, she was more on track than normal on this one.

cleo said :

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

What came first? The chicken or the egg? Thank you for your expert opinion. The illness began years ago prior to any of this. Even mental health professionals still have not come to a conclusion about whether or not the psychosis is drug induced or it was an underlying condition – so maybe they should consult with you! You seem to be an expert on the subject right down to his living conditions and “comfortable” lifestyle. You are so far off track it’s quite laughable but Wow, I’d love to have all the answers like you do. Life must be quite SIMPLE in your little mind.

LSWCHP said :

Violet68 said :

Congratulations. You’ve succeeded in closing your small mind even further. Outstanding!

When I’m presented with incoherent deranged ranting by people who can’t string together comprehensible sentences written in the English language in order to make a reasonable argument then yes, I close my mind. Stacee9, you know I’m looking at you.

When the deranged ranting involves making the most bizarrely implausible claims like “when he started getting stabby with the syringe, he was actually trying to do *himself* with it and not the cop but he just missed, truly ruly” then I just don’t close my mind, I lock the padlock to secure the premises and walk off to the pub.

Were you there? Do you know how many times Police embellish the truth to get an arrest? There are two sides to every story and IF you ever get out of the Pub and around to writing your book on your experiences of mental illness, could you include that TREATMENT is preferable to arresting someone who is clearly unwell. It is extremely clear to me, in this case, as I do know both sides of the story quite well – unlike you, who has read a snippet from the Canberra Times (not the most reliable source of information there is) that Police CHOSE to arrest rather than seek treatment. They DO have an option to take a person for treatment and they DO know the history involved here but it was in their interests to claim there was a domestic and pat themselves on the back for a “big bust”.

Enjoy your beer and the Canberra Times. You don’t have a padlock on your mind…..you have your head up your arse.

colourful sydney racing identity7:59 am 26 May 11

stacee9, you are too good to be true xxx

Captain RAAF7:58 am 26 May 11

stacee9 said :

Does severe Mental Health issues not say anything?? The accused is not a criminal ……

Sorry, but growing dope says enough. I don’t want some wacko that’s into dope, self harm and violent outburst to be living next door to me so I’m with his neighbours. They saw a perfect opportunity to rid themselves of this filth and took it, good on em’!

colourful sydney racing identity7:54 am 26 May 11

stacee9 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

stacee9 said :

u r clearly very un educated !

🙂

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

ROFLCOPTER – I was quoting you.

stacee9 said :

If u nosy lot were educated enuff u’d know…

educated enuff, what like you?!

cleo said :

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

Yes he would.

If he didn’t smoke the dope, he wouldn’t have mental health issues, now would he.
Just because he grows dope and sells it, doesn’t mean he makes mega bucks, but lives comfortably

Violet68 said :

Congratulations. You’ve succeeded in closing your small mind even further. Outstanding!

When I’m presented with incoherent deranged ranting by people who can’t string together comprehensible sentences written in the English language in order to make a reasonable argument then yes, I close my mind. Stacee9, you know I’m looking at you.

When the deranged ranting involves making the most bizarrely implausible claims like “when he started getting stabby with the syringe, he was actually trying to do *himself* with it and not the cop but he just missed, truly ruly” then I just don’t close my mind, I lock the padlock to secure the premises and walk off to the pub.

And FWIW, my maternal grandfather committed suicide as a result of chronic depression, my paternal grandfather suffered untreated post traumatic stress all his life as a result of 18 months in the trenches in world war 1 watching his friends being blown to pieces, my father had to stop working as a young man as a result of chronic depression, my mother is bipolar and my brother is currently on extended leave from the APS as a result of depressive mental illness. And that’s just the start of it. So don’t give me any sanctimonious shit about “You don’t know what you’re on about, and I hope this never happens to you”. It has happened to me and I could write a bloody book about it.

matt31221 said :

Violet68 said :

Dear Someone

Thank you for your post. I am very sorry to hear about you losing your friend. I am also sorry you were scared. When someone is ranting and raving like that, it can be very frightening. The illness is also very frightening for the person experiencing it, as you would know with your friend. You know, losing him permanently is the VERY thing, I am most afraid of. I am majorly concerned about the media portrayal of him, the attitudes that we see on this site and within the community and how he might be feeling now that his name has been published. I don’t even know if his employer will keep him on now. All of this is likely to destroy him and probably the major reason his sister is so upset by all of this. I totally agree with you about what needs to happen to help with recovery – however we always, always, always have to wait until things get this bad before anyone will assist or provide medical intervention.

Unfortunately, the criminal justice system cannot cure mental illness. Jail’s are becoming just like the old asylums because there is no ongoing support or treatment in the community. And, as we have seen on this site – there is widespread stigma and blame.

Thank you again for your post. Take Care and again, I am sorry for your loss.

In all seriousness, the attitudes expressed sometimes on most online forums are not what people truly feel Violet. See the name of this news forum for example – Riot ACT. You can come on here and get on your soapbox and have a semi coherent carryon so I wouldn’t take anything personally. I understand that your brother is going through a hard time, and that it is true that the police in Canberra don’t have a good track record in dealing with people suffering from psychotic illness but what can they do when an adult is screaming and holding a weapon. If I can give one bit of serious advice that comes from indirect experience. Psychotic illness and marijuana really don’t mix, they can exacerbate the problem so much and actually induce more hallucinations. That is one favor that the police have done for your bro, taken that poison away. I hope he gets treatment and improves. Peace.

I appreciate that n thanks 4 ur honesty.. I agree completely.. it causes a hell of alot more than hallucinations, but his state of mind is that fragile n with the lack of help he recieves he cant handle day to day emotions like we can. I beleive he needs it 2 numb those feelings purely to survive on a day to day basis..
However i am glad its gone, i just hope n pray that he is strong enuff 2 find himself again.. without judgemental ppl bringing him down..

Violet68 said :

Dear Someone

Thank you for your post. I am very sorry to hear about you losing your friend. I am also sorry you were scared. When someone is ranting and raving like that, it can be very frightening. The illness is also very frightening for the person experiencing it, as you would know with your friend. You know, losing him permanently is the VERY thing, I am most afraid of. I am majorly concerned about the media portrayal of him, the attitudes that we see on this site and within the community and how he might be feeling now that his name has been published. I don’t even know if his employer will keep him on now. All of this is likely to destroy him and probably the major reason his sister is so upset by all of this. I totally agree with you about what needs to happen to help with recovery – however we always, always, always have to wait until things get this bad before anyone will assist or provide medical intervention.

Unfortunately, the criminal justice system cannot cure mental illness. Jail’s are becoming just like the old asylums because there is no ongoing support or treatment in the community. And, as we have seen on this site – there is widespread stigma and blame.

Thank you again for your post. Take Care and again, I am sorry for your loss.

In all seriousness, the attitudes expressed sometimes on most online forums are not what people truly feel Violet. See the name of this news forum for example – Riot ACT. You can come on here and get on your soapbox and have a semi coherent carryon so I wouldn’t take anything personally. I understand that your brother is going through a hard time, and that it is true that the police in Canberra don’t have a good track record in dealing with people suffering from psychotic illness but what can they do when an adult is screaming and holding a weapon. If I can give one bit of serious advice that comes from indirect experience. Psychotic illness and marijuana really don’t mix, they can exacerbate the problem so much and actually induce more hallucinations. That is one favor that the police have done for your bro, taken that poison away. I hope he gets treatment and improves. Peace.

Dear Someone

Thank you for your post. I am very sorry to hear about you losing your friend. I am also sorry you were scared. When someone is ranting and raving like that, it can be very frightening. The illness is also very frightening for the person experiencing it, as you would know with your friend. You know, losing him permanently is the VERY thing, I am most afraid of. I am majorly concerned about the media portrayal of him, the attitudes that we see on this site and within the community and how he might be feeling now that his name has been published. I don’t even know if his employer will keep him on now. All of this is likely to destroy him and probably the major reason his sister is so upset by all of this. I totally agree with you about what needs to happen to help with recovery – however we always, always, always have to wait until things get this bad before anyone will assist or provide medical intervention.

Unfortunately, the criminal justice system cannot cure mental illness. Jail’s are becoming just like the old asylums because there is no ongoing support or treatment in the community. And, as we have seen on this site – there is widespread stigma and blame.

Thank you again for your post. Take Care and again, I am sorry for your loss.

hi violet and stacee
i actually am your friends/brothers neighbour – or one of them anyway. (at least, I’m close to positive, given Monday nights happenings…) I appreciate your concern for him.

I didn’t call the cops on Jye, though I have in the past. I’ve not heard your him flip out many times before, but when he does he is terrifying – you can hear him ranting/smashing stuff from several apartments away. While he – like everyone else here – is very quiet most of the time (99.9999999% of the time), when he loses it, he doesn’t do so by half. It’s not a nosy parker that called, the verbal abuse and things being thrown around went on for hours. It was scary. And it’s been scary when it has happened on other occasions.

I’m really sorry he got busted, and I hope that he doesn’t end up being punished unduly. People with mental health issues do have a much harder time of it than those without – but if that means he’s got to get off the drink and smoke, then there really isn’t any way around it. I lost a dear friend to full blown schizophrenia after they refused to stop smoking post their first psychotic break: if it’s at all possible, please don’t let it happen to your friend. You can get better before it gets worse; it’s damn near impossible if it gets worse.

and yeah, the rest of you – not the commission houses. not even close.

Pommy bastard said :

Not bad at all violet68! Excellent parody of the stupid Bogan, “He’s my mate he wasn’t doin nuffin wrong, the pigs are to blame”, nonsense we see posted here each and every time some Bogan gets caught doing something illegal and stupid.

Your response doesn’t address any of the issues I raised. Furthermore, you reveal your absolute ignorance about the realities of the situation I was discussing. You immediately assume the people involved are from low socio economic class and use the words “bogan” to belittle and “nonsense” to minimalise. Good for you. You have a wonderful command of the English language, a computer and possibly very little else to do with your time than sit around making judgements about others. May I suggest you contribute a little more tangibly to society and do some volunteering? Surely there is SOME compassion somewhere within you to perhaps take some action to help others rather than sit back passing judgment from your “all seeing all knowing” comfy computer chair……

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Stuart flats?

Again ARSEumptions……….and no it isn’t and no not everyone who is disadvantaged in Canberra lives in Stuart flats. Please put your game controller down and step out into the REAL world and have a look around.

Congratulations. You’ve succeeded in closing your small mind even further. Outstanding!

Outstanding work! It doesn’t get much better than this!

matt31221 said :

Pommy bastard said :

stacee9 said :

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

I think I see the root cause of Mr McGrath’s problems, he’s being supported, influenced and protected by a person who, not only doesn’t see the irony in the above statement, but also misses the fact that their support has brought him to this impasse in life.

Maybe stace9, if you dropped the idea that you know what is good for your relative, and stopped playing at being his protector and making excuses for him, he may get somewhere in life. Eventually.

+1

Exactly what I was trying to get at in an earlier post, but they never actually compreshend and take the advice do they. ‘She is right and we are wrong’ no matter what the logic says!

and ps smart f*#k watch ur grammar n spelling 🙂

matt31221 said :

Pommy bastard said :

stacee9 said :

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

I think I see the root cause of Mr McGrath’s problems, he’s being supported, influenced and protected by a person who, not only doesn’t see the irony in the above statement, but also misses the fact that their support has brought him to this impasse in life.

Maybe stace9, if you dropped the idea that you know what is good for your relative, and stopped playing at being his protector and making excuses for him, he may get somewhere in life. Eventually.

+1

Exactly what I was trying to get at in an earlier post, but they never actually compreshend and take the advice do they. ‘She is right and we are wrong’ no matter what the logic says!

Dont put words in my mouth mate.. ur a dead set f*%k wit & that is all!!

stacee9 said :

Pommy bastard said :

Ozi said :

And let me guess, Stacee… the marijuana was purely for personal use, right?!

And, of course, the syringe was for his insulin injections, and squirting his friends with water….

LMAO i love ur sense of humour :).. NOT

stacee9 said :

Pommy bastard said :

Ozi said :

And let me guess, Stacee… the marijuana was purely for personal use, right?!

And, of course, the syringe was for his insulin injections, and squirting his friends with water….

LMAO i love ur sense of humour :).. NOT

A person’s lifestyle is a choice to some degree. Mental illness, like cancer and other chronic illnesses is not. This person was in their own home, doing their own thing and was obviously unwell at the time because they are not usually violent unless feeling threatened and perhaps in psychosis.
Please let us know when they come out with medication that can actually cure or prevent mental illness or addiction. That would be the answer to our prayers.

As usual, the media has sensationalised a situation. If you knew this person, you would also know there is no intention to sell anything. He is very self sufficient. You would also know that the ALLEGATIONS about the syringe are untrue…..but Police always uphold the truth don’t they?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:40 pm 25 May 11

Stuart flats?

Pommy bastard said :

stacee9 said :

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

I think I see the root cause of Mr McGrath’s problems, he’s being supported, influenced and protected by a person who, not only doesn’t see the irony in the above statement, but also misses the fact that their support has brought him to this impasse in life.

Maybe stace9, if you dropped the idea that you know what is good for your relative, and stopped playing at being his protector and making excuses for him, he may get somewhere in life. Eventually.

So easy to judge from where you sit, isn’t it? My first comment was to try and shed a bit of light on the one sided media report. However, it looks as though narrow minds have gobbled up the rubbish as per usual. We are not really innocent till proven guilty are we? Everything is black and white and life is uncomplicated isn’t it?

Also, the person in question is not influenced, supported and protected by ANYONE. He is very withdrawn, isolated and has been let down by the pathetic mental health system. He tries very hard to support HIMSELF. He also self medicates because the medication prescribed to him makes him feel like a zombie, prevents him from THINKING …..let alone working and contributing.

I am not blaming Police. I have just heard them boast at various Agency network meetings about how they are trained to deal with people with mental illness AND domestic violence – yet I continuously witness bad handling of situations that are escalated due to Police intervention and result in criminal charges when the situation could have been DEescalated with a professional approach.

Attitudes such as what I’ve seen on here, in the media and within our Police and Mental Health system are precisely why people with mental illness are still one of the most disadvantaged groups in society.

I will leave you to your opinions and I do sincerely hope neither you or your loved ones are ever struck down by a debilitating mental illness.

Pommy bastard said :

stacee9 said :

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

I think I see the root cause of Mr McGrath’s problems, he’s being supported, influenced and protected by a person who, not only doesn’t see the irony in the above statement, but also misses the fact that their support has brought him to this impasse in life.

Maybe stace9, if you dropped the idea that you know what is good for your relative, and stopped playing at being his protector and making excuses for him, he may get somewhere in life. Eventually.

+1

Exactly what I was trying to get at in an earlier post, but they never actually compreshend and take the advice do they. ‘She is right and we are wrong’ no matter what the logic says!

stacee9 said :

Pommy bastard said :

stacee9 said :

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

I think I see the root cause of Mr McGrath’s problems, he’s being supported, influenced and protected by a person who, not only doesn’t see the irony in the above statement, but also misses the fact that their support has brought him to this impasse in life.

Maybe stace9, if you dropped the idea that you know what is good for your relative, and stopped playing at being his protector and making excuses for him, he may get somewhere in life. Eventually.

And u arrogant prick he is going somewhere.. apart from this little hiccup with his mental health help he will b fine!! He is actually quite intelligent.. call it making excuses, call it what eva u like until u’ve walkd in mine or my brothers shoes uve got no idea

and read in2 my comments n twist them all u like at the end of the day i only signed up on this site 2 right all the wrong shit coming out of ur mouths, by the looks of things u live on here.. and thats y u go under a fake name cos ur a gutless wonder sitting back on his computer chair passing judgement when u actually of no right.. ur probably just a no hoper tryin 2 feel important

Pommy bastard said :

stacee9 said :

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

I think I see the root cause of Mr McGrath’s problems, he’s being supported, influenced and protected by a person who, not only doesn’t see the irony in the above statement, but also misses the fact that their support has brought him to this impasse in life.

Maybe stace9, if you dropped the idea that you know what is good for your relative, and stopped playing at being his protector and making excuses for him, he may get somewhere in life. Eventually.

And u arrogant prick he is going somewhere.. apart from this little hiccup with his mental health help he will b fine!! He is actually quite intelligent.. call it making excuses, call it what eva u like until u’ve walkd in mine or my brothers shoes uve got no idea

Pommy bastard said :

stacee9 said :

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

I think I see the root cause of Mr McGrath’s problems, he’s being supported, influenced and protected by a person who, not only doesn’t see the irony in the above statement, but also misses the fact that their support has brought him to this impasse in life.

Maybe stace9, if you dropped the idea that you know what is good for your relative, and stopped playing at being his protector and making excuses for him, he may get somewhere in life. Eventually.

U’ve got no idea honestly no idea.. stop judging my brother n myself, u have no idea the hurt n pain my family suffer everyday knowing that we have tryed everything we possibly can. How dare u put either of us down..

Pommy bastard5:40 pm 25 May 11

stacee9 said :

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

I think I see the root cause of Mr McGrath’s problems, he’s being supported, influenced and protected by a person who, not only doesn’t see the irony in the above statement, but also misses the fact that their support has brought him to this impasse in life.

Maybe stace9, if you dropped the idea that you know what is good for your relative, and stopped playing at being his protector and making excuses for him, he may get somewhere in life. Eventually.

Pommy bastard said :

Ozi said :

And let me guess, Stacee… the marijuana was purely for personal use, right?!

And, of course, the syringe was for his insulin injections, and squirting his friends with water….

LMAO i love ur sense of humour :).. NOT

johnboy said :

Well there are plants and then there are plants.

I dont get u lot.. im not excusing his behaviour at all!!! Im just tryin 2 make u c there is more 2 it than a junky bogan with a dope crop in his Government house as u all have labelled him!!

Well there are plants and then there are plants.

Pommy bastard5:26 pm 25 May 11

Ozi said :

And let me guess, Stacee… the marijuana was purely for personal use, right?!

And, of course, the syringe was for his insulin injections, and squirting his friends with water….

colourful sydney racing identity said :

stacee9 said :

u r clearly very un educated !

🙂

Call me un educated love.. I couldnt care less but im alot more educated on this subject than u..

Ozi said :

stacee9 said :

Oh my god… The accused does accept responsibility and will suffer any and all consequences!! Oh so quick to judge and stereo type!!! There is obviously no point in trying to get his story out cos u lot seem to lack the simple trait of being OPEN MINDED!!! Does severe Mental Health issues not say anything?? The accused is not a criminal he works 2 support himself whether it be outside of whatever guidelines u nit pickers had to bring up or not!! If u nosy lot were educated enuff u’d know his boss wrote him an out standing reference for court yesterday which indeed helped with his release! He is far from the menace u lot r putting him out 2 b!! No one is trying to justify anything merely just allow both sides 2 b told.. and if only u lot new if only… N in this case the police r the ‘big bad ones’, knowing his mental health history they should have taken him straight 2 b assessed by a doctor but instead they had 2 push him in ways sumone in his state would definately react wrongly too.. Id love too c any of u take a walk in his shoes n c just how far wldnt go!!!

I’m hoping the boss made some attempt to spell and employ grammar in his written reference.

And let me guess, Stacee… the marijuana was purely for personal use, right?!

Pick on my grammar lol.. u just seem like a bunch of sad bullies!!! And actually ur spot on mate its not like 9 plants r gunna get very far.. Then again sum one on he believes its enuff to by a house off wtf.. Keep dreaming naive mofos

Tooks said :

Let’s hope his friends, Stacee and Violet (if they are actually two separate people) can keep their friend on the straight and narrow. Might find these bail conditions hard to comply with (the following is from today’s Canberra Times):

A man accused of attacking police with a syringe after they found a cannabis crop in his home has been granted bail on the proviso he steer clear of alcohol and drugs.

Jye Joseph McGrath was arrested at his home in Griffith on Monday night after police, responding to reports of a disturbance, allegedly found nine large cannabis plants and a hydroponic set-up in a bedroom. Police alleged McGrath, who had previously been cooperative, then lunged at an officer with a syringe.

Rest assured you nosy do-gooder Jye will comply with his bail conditions quite fine!!! N thanks heaps 4 putting his name up hey.. really appreciate it!! TOP JOB!!!

Spideydog said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

stacee9 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Please Stacee, don’t ever stop posting, please.

Im actually going to remove myself from this site as u lot r a joke honestly mate a joke!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bah hahahahahahaha

How Childish… He’s not my mate he’s my BROTHER!! Call me un-educated all u like at tha end of tha day im more educated on this topic than u will eva be!!! And believe u me mate i have tried 2 help him quit.. Get of ur computer u lonely naive sad sack n do something useful rather than act like a child and take personal digs at someone for having an oppinion that isnt what u;d all like 2 hear!!

Let’s hope his friends, Stacee and Violet (if they are actually two separate people) can keep their friend on the straight and narrow. Might find these bail conditions hard to comply with (the following is from today’s Canberra Times):

A man accused of attacking police with a syringe after they found a cannabis crop in his home has been granted bail on the proviso he steer clear of alcohol and drugs.

Jye Joseph McGrath was arrested at his home in Griffith on Monday night after police, responding to reports of a disturbance, allegedly found nine large cannabis plants and a hydroponic set-up in a bedroom. Police alleged McGrath, who had previously been cooperative, then lunged at an officer with a syringe.

stacee9 said :

Oh my god… The accused does accept responsibility and will suffer any and all consequences!! Oh so quick to judge and stereo type!!! There is obviously no point in trying to get his story out cos u lot seem to lack the simple trait of being OPEN MINDED!!! Does severe Mental Health issues not say anything?? The accused is not a criminal he works 2 support himself whether it be outside of whatever guidelines u nit pickers had to bring up or not!! If u nosy lot were educated enuff u’d know his boss wrote him an out standing reference for court yesterday which indeed helped with his release! He is far from the menace u lot r putting him out 2 b!! No one is trying to justify anything merely just allow both sides 2 b told.. and if only u lot new if only… N in this case the police r the ‘big bad ones’, knowing his mental health history they should have taken him straight 2 b assessed by a doctor but instead they had 2 push him in ways sumone in his state would definately react wrongly too.. Id love too c any of u take a walk in his shoes n c just how far wldnt go!!!

I’m hoping the boss made some attempt to spell and employ grammar in his written reference.

And let me guess, Stacee… the marijuana was purely for personal use, right?!

colourful sydney racing identity said :

stacee9 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Please Stacee, don’t ever stop posting, please.

Im actually going to remove myself from this site as u lot r a joke honestly mate a joke!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bah hahahahahahaha

colourful sydney racing identity4:16 pm 25 May 11

stacee9 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Please Stacee, don’t ever stop posting, please.

Im actually going to remove myself from this site as u lot r a joke honestly mate a joke!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stacee9 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Please Stacee, don’t ever stop posting, please.

Im actually going to remove myself from this site as u lot r a joke honestly mate a joke!!!

Go and help your mate quit smoking weed. It can’t be helping his mental illness.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Please Stacee, don’t ever stop posting, please.

Im actually going to remove myself from this site as u lot r a joke honestly mate a joke!!!

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Please Stacee, don’t ever stop posting, please.

Pure comedy gold! Every post is like a FOTW.

colourful sydney racing identity3:59 pm 25 May 11

Please Stacee, don’t ever stop posting, please.

colourful sydney racing identity3:58 pm 25 May 11

stacee9 said :

u r clearly very un educated !

🙂

maniac said :

stacee9 said :

I’d like to start off by saying to ALL OF YOU (except Violet) that you have BREACHED the site rules and guidelines. As not only are your comments NEGATIVE, they shed no new light or information on the TOPIC at hand! I’d also like to add, that the person in question works 6 days p/w full time while managing severe mental health issues. And whilst i UNDERSTAND it’s a crime to cultivate plants, it hasn’t even come close to one of Canberra’s biggest drug busts. So with out justifying the person in question any further, why don’t you all take your UN-EDUCATED, UN-WANTED OPINIONS ELSEWHERE and STICK THEM UP WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE….

If your friend really does work 6 days per week full time, then his employer is in breach of standard hours. I think you will find that your friend works piecemeal hours, i.e. casual or part-time. Providing misleading information does not strengthen your case.

Is that the best u can do mate???

Violet68 said :

matt31221 said :

I want to know why there are so many people using government houses to grow dope and they just seem to get away with it? Aparently via satelite camera they can pick up the extra IR heat through a roof from hydroponic lamps. Not sure if that only works if the gear is in the attack though.

I can’t believe the ARSEUMPTIONS you are making! How do you know this person lives in a government house? And if all these people are growing dope in government houses AND getting away with it, then they would be able to afford their OWN homes 🙂

Lol mate u obviously dnt understand how little the crop was.. If u think u cld buy ur own house of 9 plants than u clearly r STUPID!!! Im sure stats would prove theres just as many if not more drug crops found in private housing as public housing.. Get off ur high horse n stop trying 2 stereo type the accused as u r clearly very un educated on the topic!

Oh my god… The accused does accept responsibility and will suffer any and all consequences!! Oh so quick to judge and stereo type!!! There is obviously no point in trying to get his story out cos u lot seem to lack the simple trait of being OPEN MINDED!!! Does severe Mental Health issues not say anything?? The accused is not a criminal he works 2 support himself whether it be outside of whatever guidelines u nit pickers had to bring up or not!! If u nosy lot were educated enuff u’d know his boss wrote him an out standing reference for court yesterday which indeed helped with his release! He is far from the menace u lot r putting him out 2 b!! No one is trying to justify anything merely just allow both sides 2 b told.. and if only u lot new if only… N in this case the police r the ‘big bad ones’, knowing his mental health history they should have taken him straight 2 b assessed by a doctor but instead they had 2 push him in ways sumone in his state would definately react wrongly too.. Id love too c any of u take a walk in his shoes n c just how far wldnt go!!!

colourful sydney racing identity11:11 am 25 May 11

Violet68 said :

matt31221 said :

I want to know why there are so many people using government houses to grow dope and they just seem to get away with it? Aparently via satelite camera they can pick up the extra IR heat through a roof from hydroponic lamps. Not sure if that only works if the gear is in the attack though.

I can’t believe the ARSEUMPTIONS you are making! How do you know this person lives in a government house? And if all these people are growing dope in government houses AND getting away with it, then they would be able to afford their OWN homes 🙂

Arseumptions 🙂

Pommy bastard11:05 am 25 May 11

stacee9 said :

I’d like to start off by saying to ALL OF YOU (except Violet) that you have BREACHED the site rules and guidelines. As not only are your comments NEGATIVE, they shed no new light or information on the TOPIC at hand! I’d also like to add, that the person in question works 6 days p/w full time while managing severe mental health issues. And whilst i UNDERSTAND it’s a crime to cultivate plants, it hasn’t even come close to one of Canberra’s biggest drug busts. So with out justifying the person in question any further, why don’t you all take your UN-EDUCATED, UN-WANTED OPINIONS ELSEWHERE and STICK THEM UP WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE….

I think you’re beautiful Stace9….

stacee9 said :

I’d like to start off by saying to ALL OF YOU (except Violet) that you have BREACHED the site rules and guidelines. As not only are your comments NEGATIVE, they shed no new light or information on the TOPIC at hand! I’d also like to add, that the person in question works 6 days p/w full time while managing severe mental health issues. And whilst i UNDERSTAND it’s a crime to cultivate plants, it hasn’t even come close to one of Canberra’s biggest drug busts. So with out justifying the person in question any further, why don’t you all take your UN-EDUCATED, UN-WANTED OPINIONS ELSEWHERE and STICK THEM UP WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE….

If your friend really does work 6 days per week full time, then his employer is in breach of standard hours. I think you will find that your friend works piecemeal hours, i.e. casual or part-time. Providing misleading information does not strengthen your case.

Violet68 said :

So Police decided to lock him up instead of seeking the treatment that he requires. Great outcome hey. I’m sure tax payers will want to cover court costs & jail costs and he will come out of jail a CURED MAN!

Should the police have just left him home alone and not bothered him? Should they have just let him harm himself and wait till the problem goes away by itself?

I really think they are in a no win situation and probably did their best considering the circumstances.

of note – It didn’t happen in Charnwood, it happened in Griffith!!!

stacee9 said :

I’d like to start off by saying to ALL OF YOU (except Violet) that you have BREACHED the site rules and guidelines. As not only are your comments NEGATIVE, they shed no new light or information on the TOPIC at hand! I’d also like to add, that the person in question works 6 days p/w full time while managing severe mental health issues. And whilst i UNDERSTAND it’s a crime to cultivate plants, it hasn’t even come close to one of Canberra’s biggest drug busts. So with out justifying the person in question any further, why don’t you all take your UN-EDUCATED, UN-WANTED OPINIONS ELSEWHERE and STICK THEM UP WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE….

I would like to say that your comment was negative and shed no new light on the case aside from he works 6 days a week.

P.S. The sun does not shine on this site, thats whey the comments are here. Cheer up and approach this from a different angle. You obviously know more so why not give us your side of the story?

Pommy bastard7:15 am 25 May 11

Not bad at all violet68! Excellent parody of the stupid Bogan, “He’s my mate he wasn’t doin nuffin wrong, the pigs are to blame”, nonsense we see posted here each and every time some Bogan gets caught doing something illegal and stupid.

matt31221 said :

I want to know why there are so many people using government houses to grow dope and they just seem to get away with it? Aparently via satelite camera they can pick up the extra IR heat through a roof from hydroponic lamps. Not sure if that only works if the gear is in the attack though.

my mistake… your post mentioned spy satellites, not helicopters… possibly even more Orwellian

matt31221 said :

I want to know why there are so many people using government houses to grow dope and they just seem to get away with it? Aparently via satelite camera they can pick up the extra IR heat through a roof from hydroponic lamps. Not sure if that only works if the gear is in the attack though.

Because helicopters with infra-red spy cameras that snoop into people’s homes are always a great use of scarce resources.

I believe an English family was recently raided after one of their cameras mistook the heater on a 6 year old kid’s gerbil cage as evidence of a hydro grow-op.

Violet68 said :

Why do you assume the media is CORRECT? Why do you assume it was a DOMESTIC? This guy has a mental illness and was in his own home smashing his own stuff up not hurting anybody else, when some nosey fkr called Police on him…….he didn’t allow Police in so they pulled their domestic violence card (which by the way, they never use in REAL domestic violence incidents) and proceeded to enter HIS own private home. As for the mega hydroponic set up LOL LOL LOL……I’m sorry but I think they may have needed to stroke their own…..errrr egos and claim a big bust (I suppose being a Police Officer in Canberra would require spicing up). As for the syringe, my friend was trying to attack HIMSELF not THEM. So Police decided to lock him up instead of seeking the treatment that he requires. Great outcome hey. I’m sure tax payers will want to cover court costs & jail costs and he will come out of jail a CURED MAN!

It’s always the COPS or the VICTIMS fault to the criminals mates or loved ones isn’t it? Many threads on this forum to prove that one!

Oh the big bad Police made him/her do it! He/she was just defending himself/herself!

Loyalty is great but if you actually really cared for the alleged offender, you would stop blaming everyone else for his mistakes to let him know that he screwed up and shouldn’t try to justify and repeat the criminal behavour again.

I’d like to start off by saying to ALL OF YOU (except Violet) that you have BREACHED the site rules and guidelines. As not only are your comments NEGATIVE, they shed no new light or information on the TOPIC at hand! I’d also like to add, that the person in question works 6 days p/w full time while managing severe mental health issues. And whilst i UNDERSTAND it’s a crime to cultivate plants, it hasn’t even come close to one of Canberra’s biggest drug busts. So with out justifying the person in question any further, why don’t you all take your UN-EDUCATED, UN-WANTED OPINIONS ELSEWHERE and STICK THEM UP WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE….

Violet68 said :

Why do you assume the media is CORRECT? Why do you assume it was a DOMESTIC? This guy has a mental illness and was in his own home smashing his own stuff up not hurting anybody else, when some nosey fkr called Police on him…….he didn’t allow Police in so they pulled their domestic violence card (which by the way, they never use in REAL domestic violence incidents) and proceeded to enter HIS own private home. As for the mega hydroponic set up LOL LOL LOL……I’m sorry but I think they may have needed to stroke their own…..errrr egos and claim a big bust (I suppose being a Police Officer in Canberra would require spicing up). As for the syringe, my friend was trying to attack HIMSELF not THEM. So Police decided to lock him up instead of seeking the treatment that he requires. Great outcome hey. I’m sure tax payers will want to cover court costs & jail costs and he will come out of jail a CURED MAN!

Sure. Your ‘friend’.

matt31221 said :

I want to know why there are so many people using government houses to grow dope and they just seem to get away with it? Aparently via satelite camera they can pick up the extra IR heat through a roof from hydroponic lamps. Not sure if that only works if the gear is in the attack though.

I can’t believe the ARSEUMPTIONS you are making! How do you know this person lives in a government house? And if all these people are growing dope in government houses AND getting away with it, then they would be able to afford their OWN homes 🙂

Why do you assume the media is CORRECT? Why do you assume it was a DOMESTIC? This guy has a mental illness and was in his own home smashing his own stuff up not hurting anybody else, when some nosey fkr called Police on him…….he didn’t allow Police in so they pulled their domestic violence card (which by the way, they never use in REAL domestic violence incidents) and proceeded to enter HIS own private home. As for the mega hydroponic set up LOL LOL LOL……I’m sorry but I think they may have needed to stroke their own…..errrr egos and claim a big bust (I suppose being a Police Officer in Canberra would require spicing up). As for the syringe, my friend was trying to attack HIMSELF not THEM. So Police decided to lock him up instead of seeking the treatment that he requires. Great outcome hey. I’m sure tax payers will want to cover court costs & jail costs and he will come out of jail a CURED MAN!

I want to know why there are so many people using government houses to grow dope and they just seem to get away with it? Aparently via satelite camera they can pick up the extra IR heat through a roof from hydroponic lamps. Not sure if that only works if the gear is in the attack though.

“you’re not takin’ me plants!!!”, said he…

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