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Dunne v. Gallagher church spat goes international

By johnboy - 23 January 2013 39

Just before Christmas we took notice of a strange little spat being fought out by proxy between Speaker Dunne, who wants a little church service to start the Assembly sitting year, and Chief Minister Gallagher who doesn’t want a bar of it.

The row is now running on the UK’s National Secular Society.

Ms Gallagher said on Tuesday that the ceremony could be seen as the beginning of a formal link between the Assembly and the church if she attended. ”’I don’t want to appear churlish or disrespectful, my declining of the invitation is to make sure we keep the Assembly as the secular institution it has always been. If that is to change it should be done by a vote of the Assembly, not a day that was organised by the Speaker.”

Mrs Dunne confirmed that the ceremony would go ahead whether the Chief Minister attended. ”As is completely proper I extended an invitation to the Chief Minister,” she said. Whether the Chief Minister decides to attend this community event or not is completely her decision.”

Katy gets to be a hero to her Dawkins worshippers (on a global stage no less) and Vicki plays the martyr to her fundies and the applause of the ACL.

Both walk away happy from this one.

What’s Your opinion?


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39 Responses to
Dunne v. Gallagher church spat goes international
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davo101 9:17 am
23 Jan 13
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That’s interesting, I didn’t know you had to be an atheist to believe in the separation of church and state.

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Gungahlin Al 9:19 am
23 Jan 13
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Right behind Katy on this.
Church State separation. It’s fundamental to our system of parliament, irrespective of whether one has any faith or none.
What’s so hard to understand about that Vicki? Not exactly a great start to your stint in the Speaker role is it?
Or is this just about grandstanding for the politics of it? Which would be kind of pathetic. But not unexpected…

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chewy14 9:42 am
23 Jan 13
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I don’t really get this.

Is she not attending because she doesn’t want to attend a church service as an atheist or because it’s meant to be celebrating the start of the assembly?

Has Katy attended other church services before?

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M0les 9:50 am
23 Jan 13
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“Spat”?! – it seems not

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neanderthalsis 9:54 am
23 Jan 13
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Gungahlin Al said :

Right behind Katy on this.
Church State separation. It’s fundamental to our system of parliament, irrespective of whether one has any faith or none.
What’s so hard to understand about that Vicki? Not exactly a great start to your stint in the Speaker role is it?
Or is this just about grandstanding for the politics of it? Which would be kind of pathetic. But not unexpected…

I didn’t realise that going to church at the start of the year meant that the church suddenly insinuated itself into every aspect of your working life thereafter. Will every politician that sets foot in a church have to consult the ACL before making a decision?

To my knowledge, the Feds have a service at the start of the sitting year and start each day with the Lords prayer. This doesn’t, however, mean that church and state have become one inseparable entity, it just means that most politicians can separate their personal beliefs from their representative roles.

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Jim Jones 9:57 am
23 Jan 13
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chewy14 said :

I don’t really get this.

Is she not attending because she doesn’t want to attend a church service as an atheist or because it’s meant to be celebrating the start of the assembly?

Has Katy attended other church services before?

Read the OP. Can’t get much clearer than that.

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Chop71 10:02 am
23 Jan 13
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wow, most pressing issue Canberra has faced since the election.

We need more politicians to sort out these types of squabbles.

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Jim Jones 10:24 am
23 Jan 13
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Chop71 said :

wow, most pressing issue Canberra has faced since the election.

We need more politicians to sort out these types of squabbles.

So … you turned to say that you’ve got nothing to add? Or is it just to say that politicians should only do *really really important things* and that everything else is a massive waste of your valuable time?

: golfclap :

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davo101 10:37 am
23 Jan 13
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neanderthalsis said :

it just means that most politicians can separate their personal beliefs from their representative roles.

I don’t think it really has anything to do with their personal beliefs it’s more a case of parroting the beliefs of which block of voters they think is the best to target for their re-election. This is why the mad monk worries me, he seems to truly believe all this stuff.

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bundah 10:41 am
23 Jan 13
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chewy14 said :

I don’t really get this.

Is she not attending because she doesn’t want to attend a church service as an atheist or because it’s meant to be celebrating the start of the assembly?

Has Katy attended other church services before?

Secular,for which i for one applaud!

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54-11 10:57 am
23 Jan 13
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So, Ellis decides to organise a party with all her friends, and then insists that Gallagher must attend?

Sounds pretty puerile to me.

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johnboy 11:00 am
23 Jan 13
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Primal 11:09 am
23 Jan 13
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neanderthalsis said :

To my knowledge, the Feds have a service at the start of the sitting year and start each day with the Lords prayer. This doesn’t, however, mean that church and state have become one inseparable entity, it just means that most politicians can separate their personal beliefs from their representative roles.

No, what it means is that parliament is still lumbered with outdated traditions that are sadly unrepresentative of present-day Australia and its viewpoint on the importance of religious devotions.

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Chop71 11:13 am
23 Jan 13
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Jim Jones said :

Chop71 said :

wow, most pressing issue Canberra has faced since the election.

We need more politicians to sort out these types of squabbles.

So … you turned to say that you’ve got nothing to add? Or is it just to say that politicians should only do *really really important things* and that everything else is a massive waste of your valuable time?

: golfclap :

Yes Jim,

You’ve nailed it. I hope there is more to running the LA (and residents of Canberra) than who attends a church service.

But if you think this holds huge importance, then you ride that pony.

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Antagonist 11:20 am
23 Jan 13
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“Katy gets to be a hero to her Dawkins worshippers (on a global stage no less) and Vicki plays the martyr to her fundies and the applause of the ACL.

Both walk away happy from this one.”

Nailed it right there, JB. Win-win Labor on a non-issue before the stting year has even kicked off. It is a great piece of publicity.

Any word on Mayor Rattenbury’s attendance?

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