Can’t we just use the sun to incinerate our waste into power?

So where are the useless Greens on this, huh? I bet there’s a heap of CFL globes going into the landfill because they haven’t bothers to make sure there’s proper collection facilities around town. I bet there’s heaps of stuff going to landfill that could be redirected elsewhere if the Greens shut up about their lefty social agenda and actually worked on some practical policies.

And just think there is a nice hole out at Woodlawn just getting the stuff there is hard.

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

Residents in Fadden, Macarthur and Chisholm are already copping “au de Mugga” and “Corkhill cocktail” smells on a regular basis. There is a blame game between TAMS and Thiess as to whose fault is is but at the end of the day (and early in the day) the smell lingers on.
I tried to download the EIS “draft” (funny one) but it doesn’t happen.
Could be a large community protest from the aforementioned suburbs about this. What pisses me off is that a ranger from TAMS told me before the election that this was going to happen “after the election”.
The Greens aren’t even bothered by all the hydraulic oil going into our waterways from the leaky seals in the garbage and recycling trucks used in Canberra (check the roadside next time your bin is lifted if you don’t believe it is a problem).

driving past the tip yesterday seems that they have already started. stuff the consultation!

It STINKS most mornings in Fadden, I hope the residents fire up and make a big noise about this. I also think the recycling place has a lot to do with it. Drive past that with the wind going a certain way and its wicked bad. gag worthy.

Just waiting for the anti-NIMBY brigade (Growling Ferret, JC, chewy13, Chop71, keijidosha, et al), to come out with their puerile and inane comments such as “suck it up, princess” to the Fadden, Macarthur and Chisholm residents who will be affected by this.

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

And the same with the airport. When the CIA opened, there were only biplanes flying around once a week but look at it now.

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

Those suburbs are hardly “next to the tip” as it was called then and I recall 20 years ago they also had a “landfill” at North Belconnen which regularly caught fire and all the Belco nimbies copped the smoke and smell. That tip was closed down for the reason just cited.
I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region. That way I know there will be a balance between north and south in that while northies can send their domestic waste down south us southies can send our human waste and the smell up north!

54-11 said :

Just waiting for the anti-NIMBY brigade (Growling Ferret, JC, chewy13, Chop71, keijidosha, et al), to come out with their puerile and inane comments such as “suck it up, princess” to the Fadden, Macarthur and Chisholm residents who will be affected by this.

Right on!

dungfungus said :

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

Woodlawn (Crisp’s Creek) is on the rail line from Queanbeyan to Goulburn. We would only have to containerise our waste at Hume, right next to the existing ‘waste management Centre’, to avail ourselves of the Woodlawn solution.

The ACT Gov seems to have a blind eye to this disposal method, preferring to fill Mugga for the forseeable future.

As I’ve said before, the smells only started a couple of years ago, so what changed then? Is that when they started dumping roo carcasses nearby? Tthey really, REALLY have to do something about it. I live nowhere near it and can smell it some days, and it is truly gagworthy driving by on the Monaro.

dungfungus said :

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

Those suburbs are hardly “next to the tip” as it was called then and I recall 20 years ago they also had a “landfill” at North Belconnen which regularly caught fire and all the Belco nimbies copped the smoke and smell. That tip was closed down for the reason just cited.
I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region. That way I know there will be a balance between north and south in that while northies can send their domestic waste down south us southies can send our human waste and the smell up north!

I used to live in Macgregor, and to this day live in Dunlop in full view of what was once the tip.

Just two clarifications though the tip was not closed due to smells or complaints from residents, it was closed because it reached capacity and secondly there were fires but those fires were in the tyre dump. With the capacity issue it was a bit hard to expand when there is a river on one side, the NSW border on another and a golf course on another. But fear not it is still used for asbestos and some other nasties.

Also I just had a look at a map and parts of Fadden and Mcauthur are quite close to the Mugga Way tip, certainly closer than Macgregor was excluding “West Macgregor” as that wasn’t open when the tip was. Besides the point is still remains people moved to Fadden, Mcauthur etc knowing full well there was a tip behind the hill.

miz said :

As I’ve said before, the smells only started a couple of years ago, so what changed then? Is that when they started dumping roo carcasses nearby? Tthey really, REALLY have to do something about it. I live nowhere near it and can smell it some days, and it is truly gagworthy driving by on the Monaro.

Yeah I really don’t remember the Belconnen tip smelling the way the Mugga Lane one does now. When you were actually there on site it had a sort of ‘garbage bin’ smell, but it really didn’t travel that far and there wasn’t the sort of organic/decomposition smell that you get now around the Mugga Lane area.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

Those suburbs are hardly “next to the tip” as it was called then and I recall 20 years ago they also had a “landfill” at North Belconnen which regularly caught fire and all the Belco nimbies copped the smoke and smell. That tip was closed down for the reason just cited.
I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region. That way I know there will be a balance between north and south in that while northies can send their domestic waste down south us southies can send our human waste and the smell up north!

I used to live in Macgregor, and to this day live in Dunlop in full view of what was once the tip.

Just two clarifications though the tip was not closed due to smells or complaints from residents, it was closed because it reached capacity and secondly there were fires but those fires were in the tyre dump. With the capacity issue it was a bit hard to expand when there is a river on one side, the NSW border on another and a golf course on another. But fear not it is still used for asbestos and some other nasties.

Also I just had a look at a map and parts of Fadden and Mcauthur are quite close to the Mugga Way tip, certainly closer than Macgregor was excluding “West Macgregor” as that wasn’t open when the tip was. Besides the point is still remains people moved to Fadden, Mcauthur etc knowing full well there was a tip behind the hill.

I said the Belconnen tip was closed because of the smoke and the smell. I was relating the smell to the smoke and it wasn’t only the tyres that were burning – some of the fires took weeks to extinguish.
If you can see the old tip from Dunlop you must be close to the old tip. I think Dunlop has been there for at least 15 years and I think the tip was still functional then so you may have also bought a house knowing there was a tip nearby. Even now, are you comfortable with “asbestos and other nasties” still being dumped there? By your own admission, you have moved closer to the tip site than you were before.
You acknowledge that there is a hill between the Mugga landfill and Fadden, Macarthur and perhaps Chisholm so we can’t see the source of the offensive smells and they have only started to occur over the past couple of years.
I believe it has a lot do do with the operational requirements of the garbage contractor who has to cover the garbage with topsoil after the landfill closes every day. This simply isn’t being done.
Next time I press the flush button I will be thinking of you, JC.

dungfungus said :

I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region.

That’s “sewage treatment works”. “sewerage” is the pipes, “sewage” is what goes through the pipes.

cranky said :

dungfungus said :

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

Woodlawn (Crisp’s Creek) is on the rail line from Queanbeyan to Goulburn. We would only have to containerise our waste at Hume, right next to the existing ‘waste management Centre’, to avail ourselves of the Woodlawn solution.

The ACT Gov seems to have a blind eye to this disposal method, preferring to fill Mugga for the forseeable future.

Currently, there are 106 x 2way heavy truck trips each day from the Crisps Creek intermodel to the Woodlawn biohole; almost 5,000 tonnes of garbage a day.
Sydney has now run out of landfill sites so they want to double the amount of containerised garbage sent every day to Woodlawn (via the Crisps Creek intermodal). This will lead to a commensurate increase in heavy truck activity in the Tarago region and a lot of objections will be forthcoming.
I understand that Queanbeyan is still sending their garbage to the Mugga Lane landfill. Can anyone confirm this and explain why is this so?

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

Those suburbs are hardly “next to the tip” as it was called then and I recall 20 years ago they also had a “landfill” at North Belconnen which regularly caught fire and all the Belco nimbies copped the smoke and smell. That tip was closed down for the reason just cited.
I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region. That way I know there will be a balance between north and south in that while northies can send their domestic waste down south us southies can send our human waste and the smell up north!

I used to live in Macgregor, and to this day live in Dunlop in full view of what was once the tip.

Just two clarifications though the tip was not closed due to smells or complaints from residents, it was closed because it reached capacity and secondly there were fires but those fires were in the tyre dump. With the capacity issue it was a bit hard to expand when there is a river on one side, the NSW border on another and a golf course on another. But fear not it is still used for asbestos and some other nasties.

Also I just had a look at a map and parts of Fadden and Mcauthur are quite close to the Mugga Way tip, certainly closer than Macgregor was excluding “West Macgregor” as that wasn’t open when the tip was. Besides the point is still remains people moved to Fadden, Mcauthur etc knowing full well there was a tip behind the hill.

I said the Belconnen tip was closed because of the smoke and the smell. I was relating the smell to the smoke and it wasn’t only the tyres that were burning – some of the fires took weeks to extinguish.
If you can see the old tip from Dunlop you must be close to the old tip. I think Dunlop has been there for at least 15 years and I think the tip was still functional then so you may have also bought a house knowing there was a tip nearby. Even now, are you comfortable with “asbestos and other nasties” still being dumped there? By your own admission, you have moved closer to the tip site than you were before.
You acknowledge that there is a hill between the Mugga landfill and Fadden, Macarthur and perhaps Chisholm so we can’t see the source of the offensive smells and they have only started to occur over the past couple of years.
I believe it has a lot do do with the operational requirements of the garbage contractor who has to cover the garbage with topsoil after the landfill closes every day. This simply isn’t being done.
Next time I press the flush button I will be thinking of you, JC.

Ahh clearly a NIMBY who brought knowing full well the tip was there. Just because it didn’t smell then doesn’t mean it wasn’t going to smell later. I have no sympathy for you really.

Any yes the tip was still in operation when I moved to Dunlop again I brought in the full knowledge that it was there, I gather the land was cheaper as a result too.

But as I said before IT DID NOT CLOSE BECAUSE OF SMELLS AND COMPLAINTS FROM MACGREGOR AND HOLT RESIDENTS. IT CLOSED BECAUSE IT WAS AT CAPACITY AND COULDN’T EXPAND.

dungfungus said :

cranky said :

dungfungus said :

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

Woodlawn (Crisp’s Creek) is on the rail line from Queanbeyan to Goulburn. We would only have to containerise our waste at Hume, right next to the existing ‘waste management Centre’, to avail ourselves of the Woodlawn solution.

The ACT Gov seems to have a blind eye to this disposal method, preferring to fill Mugga for the forseeable future.

Currently, there are 106 x 2way heavy truck trips each day from the Crisps Creek intermodel to the Woodlawn biohole; almost 5,000 tonnes of garbage a day.
Sydney has now run out of landfill sites so they want to double the amount of containerised garbage sent every day to Woodlawn (via the Crisps Creek intermodal). This will lead to a commensurate increase in heavy truck activity in the Tarago region and a lot of objections will be forthcoming.
I understand that Queanbeyan is still sending their garbage to the Mugga Lane landfill. Can anyone confirm this and explain why is this so?

Probably because it is closer and cheaper than trucking it to Tarago. So you seem to dislike Mugga Lane, you seem to have issues with Woodlawn, so where exactly do you expect the rubbish to go?

We are also hosts to two Yass Valley Council compacter trucks most week days. I assume they are dumping at the tip.

Re: be scared of asbestos and other nasties being dumped near you.

Get educated, unless you go on site with a hammer or grinder or something and smash up asbestos sheets then go rolling around in it, you have nothing to fear.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Re: be scared of asbestos and other nasties being dumped near you.

Get educated, unless you go on site with a hammer or grinder or something and smash up asbestos sheets then go rolling around in it, you have nothing to fear.

Your correct, it poses no danger, especially as it is wrapped up and buried. Do bear in mind however that the dump also has loose fill asbestos insulation which doesn’t need to be broken up, but as mentioned it is wrapped and buried so doesn’t pose any danger.

Having said that I don’t recall anyone being scared of it, it was just a statement of fact, and if I was scared I would not have brought in Dunlop in the first place. Same too with the dump if I had of been worried about smells I wouldn’t have brought here either, because again I brought knowing what was just over the paddock, yep a dump, a high voltage sub-station and parkwood eggs.

PS 54-11 have I disapointed you or lived up to your expectation? Though I think in this case I can point the finger at a clear NIMBY and also relate to them too having also brought and lived near a dump.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

cranky said :

dungfungus said :

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

Woodlawn (Crisp’s Creek) is on the rail line from Queanbeyan to Goulburn. We would only have to containerise our waste at Hume, right next to the existing ‘waste management Centre’, to avail ourselves of the Woodlawn solution.

The ACT Gov seems to have a blind eye to this disposal method, preferring to fill Mugga for the forseeable future.

Currently, there are 106 x 2way heavy truck trips each day from the Crisps Creek intermodel to the Woodlawn biohole; almost 5,000 tonnes of garbage a day.
Sydney has now run out of landfill sites so they want to double the amount of containerised garbage sent every day to Woodlawn (via the Crisps Creek intermodal). This will lead to a commensurate increase in heavy truck activity in the Tarago region and a lot of objections will be forthcoming.
I understand that Queanbeyan is still sending their garbage to the Mugga Lane landfill. Can anyone confirm this and explain why is this so?

Probably because it is closer and cheaper than trucking it to Tarago. So you seem to dislike Mugga Lane, you seem to have issues with Woodlawn, so where exactly do you expect the rubbish to go?

Where do I expect the rubbish to go?
Well, there is a huge worked out quarry on the western side of Mount Mugga (just north of the existing landfill).
It is a bit of an eyesore so, over time, wouldn’t it be a good thing if it were filled with garbage and revegetated?
I am sure the millionaire residents of East O’Malley wouldn’t mind the occassional whiff of crappy nappies.

Another vote for Woodlawn.

That place has a lot going for it as land fill. About the only serious downside is the distance, but as already stated, most of that distance is travelled via rail. Domestic dumping of waste at Mitchell is already containerised and relocated, so it wouldn’t even be a whole new system for Canberra – just and expansion and a train loading point.

Of course, putting up some fence, moving dirt around then dumping crap is probably a lot cheaper then whatever NSW state rail and Veoliaes will charge.

p1 said :

Another vote for Woodlawn.

That place has a lot going for it as land fill. About the only serious downside is the distance, but as already stated, most of that distance is travelled via rail. Domestic dumping of waste at Mitchell is already containerised and relocated, so it wouldn’t even be a whole new system for Canberra – just and expansion and a train loading point.

Of course, putting up some fence, moving dirt around then dumping crap is probably a lot cheaper then whatever NSW state rail and Veoliaes will charge.

Unfortunately, freight by rail out of Canberra is no longer available unless the rail track is upgraded and for garbage alone this would not be economically viable. It would be cheaper to extend the proposed City to Gungahlin “light” rail to Woodlawn.

dungfungus said :

Unfortunately, freight by rail out of Canberra is no longer available unless the rail track is upgraded and for garbage alone this would not be economically viable. It would be cheaper to extend the proposed City to Gungahlin “light” rail to Woodlawn.

NOTHING is going to be economically viable (compared to dumping the crap right next to the existing tip) if your definition of “viable” is “cheaper then just dumping the crap right next to the old tip”.

Upgrading the rail line would have plenty of other benefits to society as a whole to…

p1 said :

dungfungus said :

Unfortunately, freight by rail out of Canberra is no longer available unless the rail track is upgraded and for garbage alone this would not be economically viable. It would be cheaper to extend the proposed City to Gungahlin “light” rail to Woodlawn.

NOTHING is going to be economically viable (compared to dumping the crap right next to the existing tip) if your definition of “viable” is “cheaper then just dumping the crap right next to the old tip”.

dungfungus said :

Unfortunately, freight by rail out of Canberra is no longer available unless the rail track is upgraded and for garbage alone this would not be economically viable. It would be cheaper to extend the proposed City to Gungahlin “light” rail to Woodlawn.

NOTHING is going to be economically viable (compared to dumping the crap right next to the existing tip) if your definition of “viable” is “cheaper then just dumping the crap right next to the old tip”.

Upgrading the rail line would have plenty of other benefits to society as a whole to…

…

“Upgrading the rail line would have plenty of other benefits to society as a whole to….”

Yeah, that’s why they closed it down for freight and the ACT Government plans to terminate it at Fyshwick so they can flog off the Kingston site to developers.

p1 said :

Another vote for Woodlawn.

That place has a lot going for it as land fill. About the only serious downside is the distance, but as already stated, most of that distance is travelled via rail. Domestic dumping of waste at Mitchell is already containerised and relocated, so it wouldn’t even be a whole new system for Canberra – just and expansion and a train loading point.

Of course, putting up some fence, moving dirt around then dumping crap is probably a lot cheaper then whatever NSW state rail and Veoliaes will charge.

What goes into the trucks at Mitchell is drop in the ocean compared to the trucks that go to Mugga Lane and last time I looked the skips or what ever you want to call them at Mitchell are not really suitable for loading onto a train, so a new system would be required.

p1 said :

NOTHING is going to be economically viable (compared to dumping the crap right next to the existing tip) if your definition of “viable” is “cheaper then just dumping the crap right next to the old tip”.

Upgrading the rail line would have plenty of other benefits to society as a whole to…

Now considering we are talking about the existing line from Canberra to Goulburn, what are the other benefits of upgrading? If you forgot about trains to Tarago and wanted an upgraded line to Sydney then yes there would be some social benefit, but a line like that would avoid Tarago altogether so not suitable for this purpose.