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Firelighter and stalker Jeremy Dash-Greentree on a suspended sentence

By 4 February 2013 30

Justice Penfold has made known her thoughts on Jeremy Dash-Greentree who despite terrifying crimes is having allowances made for his mental health:

The charges arise from two quite separate incidents. The first incident took place in June 2006, when Mr Dash-Greentree went to a flat in Griffith to see a man named Brett whom he had met through an acquaintance, Tim. Finding that Brett was not at home, Mr Dash-Greentree went away but returned several hours later. Brett was still not home, so Mr Dash?Greentree went to Manuka and obtained a jerry can containing petrol. He took the jerry can back to Brett’s flat and knocked again. When there was again no answer, he emptied the jerry can under the door of the flat and lit the petrol with a cigarette lighter. The petrol caught fire and Mr Dash?Greentree ran away. Smoke detectors were activated, the fire brigade arrived and the fire was put out, having caused $2,675 worth of damage to the door, security screen, walls and carpet of the flat.

The second incident occurred over several months in 2009. The complainant, who owned a florist’s shop in Belconnen, began receiving communications from Mr Dash-Greentree, whom she had never met and did not know of. A letter sent to the complainant in May expressed Mr Dash-Greentree’s wish to have a future with her, in which she would move to Western Australia to live with him and they would have children together. The sending of this letter is the basis for the second scheduled offence.

Between May and October 2009, Mr Dash-Greentree made at least 29 phone calls to the complainant’s shop. Some of the calls were threatening, either to the complainant or to her staff or her boyfriend. In one of them, Mr Dash-Greentree passed on detailed information about the complainant’s activities in the preceding days, and mentioned the names of her children, her car registration number and the score in her daughter’s soccer match. In mid-October, Mr Dash-Greentree rang the complainant at the florist shop and told her he was coming to Canberra. Several days later, the complainant was contacted by a person who then put Mr Dash-Greentree on the line to speak to the complainant. He told the complainant that he was in the psychiatric ward at The Canberra Hospital and asked her to visit him there, saying that if she did not, he would escape and find her. She said that she would visit. During the rest of that day Mr Dash-Greentree made many further phone calls to the complainant. The making of the phone calls constitutes the offence of using a carriage service to harass. The sending of the letter and the phone calls together constitute the first scheduled offence of stalking.

Despite significant form in ignoring bail conditions it is hoped he will do as he’s told this time.

What this order basically means, Mr Dash-Greentree, is that for the next eight months you must not commit any more offences, and you must do as you are told by your Corrections supervisor or your Mental Health supervisor, especially in relation to where you live and how your mental disorder is to be treated. If you do not do that, for instance if you try to leave town or if you commit another offence, I might have to send you back to prison to finish the rest of your sentence, which is nearly four more months.

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30 Responses to Firelighter and stalker Jeremy Dash-Greentree on a suspended sentence
#1
pezza6:10 pm, 04 Feb 13

Sure, he might try to burn down my house or terrorise my girlfriend but don’t worry – his human rights are being respected. You just can’t put a price on the peace of mind I get from knowing that.

#2
LSWCHP7:36 pm, 04 Feb 13

Jewemy Dash-Gweentwee eh? Goodness gwacious me, what a fancy moniker.

Still, despite that, it sounds like he needs shooting.

#3
pptvb7:37 pm, 04 Feb 13

Is Penfold the new Higgins?
Another swing & a miss…

#4
IrishPete8:10 pm, 04 Feb 13

This is old news. It was extensively reported on in the Canberra Times last month. See http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/stalker-avoids-jail-time-20130109-2ch4z.html and http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/mental-health-unit-too-small-too-late-20130113-2cnuy.html

Shame on those of you who advocate executing the mentally ill.

He is hopefully being held in a psychiatric unit, probably indefinitely.

IP

#5
Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd8:51 pm, 04 Feb 13

IrishPete said :

This is old news. It was extensively reported on in the Canberra Times last month. See http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/stalker-avoids-jail-time-20130109-2ch4z.html and http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/mental-health-unit-too-small-too-late-20130113-2cnuy.html

Shame on those of you who advocate executing the mentally ill.

He is hopefully being held in a psychiatric unit, probably indefinitely.

IP

Shame on you for defending someone who by the sounds of it has made a woman’s life a living hell.

Being mentally ill does not mean its ok to terrorise somebody.

#6
LSWCHP9:10 pm, 04 Feb 13

IrishPete said :

This is old news. It was extensively reported on in the Canberra Times last month. See http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/stalker-avoids-jail-time-20130109-2ch4z.html and http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/mental-health-unit-too-small-too-late-20130113-2cnuy.html

Shame on those of you who advocate executing the mentally ill.

He is hopefully being held in a psychiatric unit, probably indefinitely.

IP

Sorry IP, but I’m not feeling any shame right now. Maybe I should, but I just can’t find it in me. This bloke made a deliberate and concerted effort to set fire to someone’s flat with a tin of petrol. By what seems like a miracle the fire was extinguished quickly, but it might’ve been otherwise, and it might’ve been very bad indeed for the owner of the flat and everybody else in the block.

In my book, anybody who’s organised enough to get around town, visit someone’s flat a couple of times, go away to purchase petrol and a lighter and go back and set their house on fire has enough of their wits about them to also know what they’re doing is wrong.

Yes, there are undoubtedly mentally ill people out there committing crimes, but it also appears to me that mental illness is being used as an excuse by people (like this individual) who are simply bad and dangerous, and who should be removed from society.

Given that execution by firing squad isn’t an option in Australia, and given his evident prediliction for setting houses on fire, stalking, harassing strangers and threatening people, how do you think the owner of the flower shop might be feeling about her safety? How do you think she might be feeling about her daughter’s safety, knowing that this person has been to her daughter’s soccer matches?

This is not good.

#7
Thumper9:18 pm, 04 Feb 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

This is old news. It was extensively reported on in the Canberra Times last month. See http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/stalker-avoids-jail-time-20130109-2ch4z.html and http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/mental-health-unit-too-small-too-late-20130113-2cnuy.html

Shame on those of you who advocate executing the mentally ill.

He is hopefully being held in a psychiatric unit, probably indefinitely.

IP

Shame on you for defending someone who by the sounds of it has made a woman’s life a living hell.

Being mentally ill does not mean its ok to terrorise somebody.

IP is correct. He is not defending him.

He should be put away in a mental institution forever, or at least until he is no longer a threat to society.

Who are we to take a life? It makes us no better than those who commit such henious crimes.

#8
obamabinladen9:20 pm, 04 Feb 13

Mentally ill people like this guy need to be killed!!! I’d bet my left testicle he ends up committing a violent crime just hope im wrong.

#9
ScienceRules9:31 pm, 04 Feb 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

This is old news. It was extensively reported on in the Canberra Times last month. See http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/stalker-avoids-jail-time-20130109-2ch4z.html and http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/mental-health-unit-too-small-too-late-20130113-2cnuy.html

Shame on those of you who advocate executing the mentally ill.

He is hopefully being held in a psychiatric unit, probably indefinitely.

IP

Shame on you for defending someone who by the sounds of it has made a woman’s life a living hell.

Being mentally ill does not mean its ok to terrorise somebody.

It’s difficult to see how this “sentence” is either in his interest or that of the community. Still, I guess we don’t have all the details.

No, being mentally ill doesn’t mean it’s ok to terrorise someone, but for those of us who aren’t mentally ill it’s definately wrong to suggest their execution.

#10
Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:46 pm, 04 Feb 13

I apologise. I’m not going to say kill anybody. He defo needs to be locked up though.

I did jump the gun, I am just sick of seeing people try to defend the mentally ill of serious crimes.

#11
Jethro10:13 pm, 04 Feb 13

This guy clearly has a mental illness. Those who bay for blood should at least consider that some people simply do not have the mental faculties to make the rational and moral decisions that most of us do. I always find that the people who call for the harshest of penalties no matter the circumstances seem to be people who themselves demonstrate a slightly unhinged version of reality. Why hate on someone who is clearly ill?

That being said, this guy clearly shouldn’t be released into society. He needs to be secured in a mental health institution.

#12
obamabinladen11:00 pm, 04 Feb 13

There are plenty of mentally ill people who DONT commit violent crimes or terrorise people and with the right meds can live a decent life. This guy however is a ticking time bomb and needs to be defused.

The way to judge someone is by their actions. Commit violent crimes and I think you deserve to die. If a vicious dog hurts a human we kill it. Can somebody tell me why humans who commit violent crimes don’t deserve the same treatment?

#13
bundah11:28 pm, 04 Feb 13

Apparently one in five prisoners have a serious mental illness and one has to wonder how many of those are released back into the community prematurely given recidivism rates are similar to those who are not mentally ill.

It’s a bloody minefield that society cannot effectively address due to a myriad of reasons.

#14
Jethro6:33 am, 05 Feb 13

obamabinladen said :

There are plenty of mentally ill people who DONT commit violent crimes or terrorise people and with the right meds can live a decent life. This guy however is a ticking time bomb and needs to be defused.

The way to judge someone is by their actions. Commit violent crimes and I think you deserve to die. If a vicious dog hurts a human we kill it. Can somebody tell me why humans who commit violent crimes don’t deserve the same treatment?

Because we are a civilised people and killing people is wrong?

#15
IrishPete8:21 am, 05 Feb 13

Those criticising Mr D-G obviously have absolutely no knowledge of serious mental illnesses like Schizophrenia and Bipolar. So they should just shut up.

Every person’s mental illness is different, and that some don’t commit violent ctimes like arson and stalking is fortunate for them and for us, but says nothing about the person whose delusions and hallucinations cause them to commit offences.

Some are so unfortunate that their illness does not respond to medication.

If you read the edited transcript of proceeedings, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that Mr Dash-Greentree, and his victim(s) have been failed by the mental health and criminal justice systems in three states/territories. Mr D-G may not be capable of feeling guilty about what he has done, but the authorities in ACT, Victoria and WA are capable of feeling guilty, and they should be feeling guilty, big time. They should also be apologising to his victim. The judgement even notes that he phoned the victim from Canberra Hospital’s psychiatric unit.

The ACT Supreme Court, in its infinite wisdom, has contributed to this lack of understanding by convicting and sentencing Mr D-G, instead of finding him not guilty by reason of his mental illness. His defence team has to take some responsibility for that, and I hope they can sleep soundly at night. Would anyone like to guess who his solicitor was?

IP

#16
IrishPete8:22 am, 05 Feb 13

bundah said :

Apparently one in five prisoners have a serious mental illness and one has to wonder how many of those are released back into the community prematurely given recidivism rates are similar to those who are not mentally ill.

It’s a bloody minefield that society cannot effectively address due to a myriad of reasons.

No, there’s only one reason – lack of interest. They don’t care.

IP

#17
IrishPete8:29 am, 05 Feb 13

obamabinladen said :

There are plenty of mentally ill people who DONT commit violent crimes or terrorise people and with the right meds can live a decent life. This guy however is a ticking time bomb and needs to be defused.

The way to judge someone is by their actions. Commit violent crimes and I think you deserve to die. If a vicious dog hurts a human we kill it. Can somebody tell me why humans who commit violent crimes don’t deserve the same treatment?

I wish I lived wherever you do, where everything is black and white.

So shall we euthanase police dogs who hurt people? Or dogs that hurt someone while defending their owner or themselves?

The world is full of grey, and in discussing crime, serious mental illnesses like Schizophrenia and Bipolar are part of that grey. The way to judge someone is by understanding the reasons for their actions.

I think the world would be a better place if we were to get rid of the ignorant and intolerant people, but by wanting you dead I’d be making myself one of you. So maybe we should just exile you to some hell-hole like a camp on Manus Island, Nauru or Christmas Island.

IP

#18
bundah8:46 am, 05 Feb 13

IrishPete said :

bundah said :

Apparently one in five prisoners have a serious mental illness and one has to wonder how many of those are released back into the community prematurely given recidivism rates are similar to those who are not mentally ill.

It’s a bloody minefield that society cannot effectively address due to a myriad of reasons.

No, there’s only one reason – lack of interest. They don’t care.

IP

Disagree,i don’t believe it’s a lack of interest nor that they don’t care but quite simply it’s in the too hard basket and they’re not prepared to spend the money needed to effectively address the complexities of how to deal with the mentally ill who commit crime.

#19
Thumper8:57 am, 05 Feb 13

Jethro said :

obamabinladen said :

There are plenty of mentally ill people who DONT commit violent crimes or terrorise people and with the right meds can live a decent life. This guy however is a ticking time bomb and needs to be defused.

The way to judge someone is by their actions. Commit violent crimes and I think you deserve to die. If a vicious dog hurts a human we kill it. Can somebody tell me why humans who commit violent crimes don’t deserve the same treatment?

Because we are a civilised people and killing people is wrong?

I was going to say the same but I thought that the answer was simply too obvious.

#20
IrishPete10:33 am, 05 Feb 13

Thumper said :

Jethro said :

obamabinladen said :

There are plenty of mentally ill people who DONT commit violent crimes or terrorise people and with the right meds can live a decent life. This guy however is a ticking time bomb and needs to be defused.

The way to judge someone is by their actions. Commit violent crimes and I think you deserve to die. If a vicious dog hurts a human we kill it. Can somebody tell me why humans who commit violent crimes don’t deserve the same treatment?

Because we are a civilised people and killing people is wrong?

I was going to say the same but I thought that the answer was simply too obvious.

You’re a wabbit. Where’s my wifle…

IP

#21
obamabinladen1:08 am, 06 Feb 13

@ Jethro what if your wife, mother or child was violently murdered by some psycho who has committed violent crimes b4??? Best case the guy who killed Jill Meagher. He is a convicted rapist but after a short stint in gaol he comes out and hunted down poor Jill.

@ irish pete i agree in shades of grey and colour but i also believe in black and white. It really is sad but sometimes there are people who are just wrong and no matter how many pills you shove down their throat they are still a danger to others.

#22
obamabinladen1:16 am, 06 Feb 13

If capital punishment is to much to stomach for people then what about judges sentencing offenders to life with no parole and never to be reased sentences for people who committ violent crimes. Better than this 25 year bullshit!

#23
bundah9:21 am, 06 Feb 13

Sentencing snapshot for murders committed in Victoria between 2005/06 to 2009/10.There were 133 people sentenced for murder(129 M, 4 F).The median length of imprisonment(apart from people who received life sentences ie. 11) was 18 years.Non-parole periods ranged from 6 years to 33 years with the median being 15 years 3 months.

What one can glean from this is that approx 80% will be out before 20 years and given that 40% of killers are under 30 years of age most will still have a life after they’re released(regardless of the quality) whereas the same cannot be said for the deceased.

I obviously couldn’t refer to the ACT given until a couple of years ago murder was apparently non-existent and the most extraordinary example of sentencing for manslaughter was 5 years released after 22 months by Tezza Higgins,involving the multiple stabbing of Nanette Porritt by her deranged son Glen Porritt.

#24
caf9:52 am, 06 Feb 13

LSWCHP said :

In my book, anybody who’s organised enough to get around town, visit someone’s flat a couple of times, go away to purchase petrol and a lighter and go back and set their house on fire has enough of their wits about them to also know what they’re doing is wrong.

I suggest that your experience of mental illness has been quite limited, then. For example schitzophrenia sufferers can have some *very* bizarre and irrational beliefs – sometimes living in a complete fantasy world – and yet are usually functional enough in everyday tasks.

#25
Mike Crowther10:03 am, 06 Feb 13

“…for the next eight months you must not commit any more offences, and you must do as you are told by your Corrections supervisor or your Mental Health supervisor,…”

There, he’s been told. Why on earth would anyone commit any offences after they’ve been told not to. Problem solved. He might, might even take his meds. Though being outside of prison there will be no one there to supervise it. I wonder if the victim has been able to sleep yet without the use of medication?

#26
Ben_Dover10:33 am, 06 Feb 13

It’s entirely possible to be both mad and bad, as this guy would appear to be.

Being mentally ill should not be a “get out of jail free” card.

#27
obamabinladen11:33 am, 06 Feb 13

^^^^ exactly it should be lock em up and throw away the key forever!

#28
Jane Doe7:10 pm, 06 Feb 13

So this judge, who has no real experience bar writing legislation, has said that this bloke is not responsible for his actions but deems him responsible enough not to reoffend for the next 8 months. Good on you Hilary, firing on all 2 cylinders. Is it possible to have Justice Nield for every criminal matter in the Supreme Court?

#29
LSWCHP10:57 pm, 06 Feb 13

Mike Crowther said :

“…for the next eight months you must not commit any more offences, and you must do as you are told by your Corrections supervisor or your Mental Health supervisor,…”

I wonder if the victim has been able to sleep yet without the use of medication?

Particularly so, given that extraordinarily chilling reference to her daughter’s soccer match. That’s straight out of a Hollywood horror movie.

#30
obamabinladen12:52 am, 07 Feb 13

And what after 8 months this worms allowed to start committing crimes again??? What a joke!!!

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