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Friday Morning Protests Pro-Choice or Anti-Choice

By BanLiveExportAustralia - 21 November 2011 41

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The protest and counter-protest has continued!

As was previously highlighted by RiotACT on 26th August (link here) a protest and counter-protest has being occurring each Friday morning for the last few months outside of the ACT Health’s Alinga Street offices.

The issue on hand is whether a woman has the right to choose what happens with her own body and the sometimes-controversial topic of abortion.

On the one side we have a rogue group of Christians, the majority of whom are represented by older men who promote that abortions are murder and that abortions will cause breast cancer amongst other things which have been proven untrue (In 1997, the New England Journal of Medicine published the largest-scale study ever on this subject–with 1.5 million participants–which concluded that there is no independent link between abortion and breast cancer). They’re part of the 40 Days For Life “movement” who protest at 422+ sites throughout the world demonizing abortion and contraception.

On the other side we have the counter-protest. A group of women and men from a diverse group of backgrounds who promote the pro-life message, who share the message that a woman has the right to choose what occurs with her body and that contraception is safe. As of late this group has often out numbered the original protesters and has helped to educate the public about the truth.  This group is open to anyone and everyone, often having members of the public who walk by join in, and is largely supported by a variety of ACT women’s rights and services groups. A variety of signs are available for anyone who would like to join in can come along, pick up a sign and share the message.

If you’d like to come to the protest or to just see what’s going on it is each Friday morning from roughly 8 AM – 9 AM outside the ACT Health Building.

What’s Your opinion?


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41 Responses to
Friday Morning Protests Pro-Choice or Anti-Choice
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Solidarity 9:33 am
21 Nov 11
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That dude has ovaries?

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luther_bendross 9:44 am
21 Nov 11
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Occupy the Uterus. Or don’t, it’s your choice.

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Classified 9:47 am
21 Nov 11
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Spot the two dudes trying to get laid.

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poetix 9:48 am
21 Nov 11
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Dear OP, when writing about abortion, ‘BanLiveExport…’ is probably not the best moniker. Just saying.

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00davist 9:53 am
21 Nov 11
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I’m picking up on a bias in this article, BLEA, I cant help but feel you have an unfair favrotisim to the truth!

Why do you hate lies, what did they do to you?

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PBO 9:54 am
21 Nov 11
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Classified said :

Spot the two dudes trying to get laid.

I can see it 10 minutes after they get laid:

Bloke: Ummm, i think the condom broke and that i may have gotten you pregnant.
Chick: Thats ok, i know in my heart that you will do whats best. Why else would you say you love me and be pro-life too?
Bloke: Ummm yeah, about that……..

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PBO 9:55 am
21 Nov 11
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Classified said :

Spot the two dudes trying to get laid.

And its one dude…..

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Sgt.Bungers 10:07 am
21 Nov 11
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My (trolling) counter arguments to the protesters:

– Estimates indicate that up to 80% of conceptions are aborted in the next menstrual cycle without the woman even knowing she was pregnant. Hence, this religious group’s “god” conducts more abortions than humans could ever initiate themselves. Why do they continue to praise such a murderous god?

Of course if confronted with this, the protesters would rebut “god works in mysterious ways,” or “god is merely aborting babies conceived by satan.”

– Leviticus 19, wearing mixed garments of linen and wool is a sin. What are the protesters wearing?

– All children are born atheists. They are yet to be indoctrinated by their religious parents. Hence, why aren’t these protesters picketing outside the maternity ward of Canberra hospital demanding the immediate stoning of all non-believers, as Deuteronomy 17:2-5 requires?

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longshanks 10:16 am
21 Nov 11
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Solidarity said :

That dude has ovaries?

Ha ha! On a more serious note, I must say I’m intrigued by the “Never an easy choice, sometimes the right choice, always the woman’s choice” sign. This implies two things:

1. The wishes of the father (or “sperm supplier”, if you want to avoid emotional language) are completely subservient to the choice of the “egg supplier”. So imagine you have a couple, in a stable relationship, who get pregnant, (whether by accident or design); if the woman decides to abort, the man must respect her choice and his own thoughts/desires/etc are ultimately less important. I’m not saying that this is how it always happens – just that it’s the logical implication of “Always the woman’s choice”.

2. The corollary of “Sometimes the right choice” is “Sometimes the wrong choice”. Now, for better or for worse (and I’m not even getting into that here), choice is a reality, in abortion as in other spheres of life. And as a society we spend a lot of time and money trying to educate people so that they avoid making the wrong choice in a variety of situations. So if you acknowledge that abortion is not always the right choice, why not spend a bit more time highlighting why it might be the wrong choice?

Exactly what is the “right choice” is different for every woman, and will depend on values, beliefs, emotional stability, family support, partner support, work environment, housing environment, pre-existing medical conditions, etc. It seems to me that Pro Choice activists would be better off ensuring that women make the right choice, whatever that may be, rather than focusing exclusively on the right to choose. This will have a more positive and tangible impact on women’s wellbeing than protesting in support of something which already exists.

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VicePope 10:35 am
21 Nov 11
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OK, I’ll bite, but mostly because the post was a tad biased. The rights argument is, with respect, shallow. The father has rights and so, from some point at least (about which reasonable people may reasonably differ), does the child. A poor choice by one person – not always the case, but often enough – does not entitle that person to disregard the rights of another, especially by killing the other.

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Watson 10:38 am
21 Nov 11
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longshanks said :

Solidarity said :

That dude has ovaries?

Ha ha! On a more serious note, I must say I’m intrigued by the “Never an easy choice, sometimes the right choice, always the woman’s choice” sign. This implies two things:

1. The wishes of the father (or “sperm supplier”, if you want to avoid emotional language) are completely subservient to the choice of the “egg supplier”. So imagine you have a couple, in a stable relationship, who get pregnant, (whether by accident or design); if the woman decides to abort, the man must respect her choice and his own thoughts/desires/etc are ultimately less important. I’m not saying that this is how it always happens – just that it’s the logical implication of “Always the woman’s choice”.

2. The corollary of “Sometimes the right choice” is “Sometimes the wrong choice”. Now, for better or for worse (and I’m not even getting into that here), choice is a reality, in abortion as in other spheres of life. And as a society we spend a lot of time and money trying to educate people so that they avoid making the wrong choice in a variety of situations. So if you acknowledge that abortion is not always the right choice, why not spend a bit more time highlighting why it might be the wrong choice?

Exactly what is the “right choice” is different for every woman, and will depend on values, beliefs, emotional stability, family support, partner support, work environment, housing environment, pre-existing medical conditions, etc. It seems to me that Pro Choice activists would be better off ensuring that women make the right choice, whatever that may be, rather than focusing exclusively on the right to choose. This will have a more positive and tangible impact on women’s wellbeing than protesting in support of something which already exists.

Are you suggesting you think men should have a say in whether a woman carries a pregnancy to full term and gives birth to a child? Just because he donated his sperm? Noice… I sense some serious uterus-envy here.

And of course abortion isn’t always the right choice! If it was, there’d be a lot less babies born.

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poetix 10:53 am
21 Nov 11
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VicePope said :

OK, I’ll bite, but mostly because the post was a tad biased. The rights argument is, with respect, shallow. The father has rights and so, from some point at least (about which reasonable people may reasonably differ), does the child. A poor choice by one person – not always the case, but often enough – does not entitle that person to disregard the rights of another, especially by killing the other.

The father doesn’t have the foetus inside him for nine months. The foetus isn’t a child until very late in the process. It is not a question of abstract rights or even ‘equal rights’ but of realisation that women are the ones affected by pregnancy. Women will abort unwanted pregnancies, whether legally, or, where there is no access to legal abortion, with whatever implement (or potion) is as hand. If you don’t have safe hygienic abortion, you are dooming many women to degrading actions and possible death. Does that worry you?

The idea of discussing abortion with someone who has chosen to call him or herself VicePope is vaguely surreal.

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VicePope 11:24 am
21 Nov 11
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But, Poetix, defining someone as human or not for the sake of attaching rights is, I suggest, the kind of thinking that permits massacres and discrimination against those asserted by a dominant group to be less than human – Jews, say, or Hutus or Hazaras or disabled people. At best, it’s circular; I am human, so I have rights, but I don’t want you to have those rights, so I’ll say you are not human.
And, given that the father would have rights and responsibilities in relation to care were the child to be born, it is a similar flaw to say that he has none prior to that. Being pregnant is a condition, that passes in a natural way, through birth or (sometimes) miscarriage – it is not per se a burden or deformity.
By the way, Vice-Pope (Eric) was an obscure Monty Python character whose name appealed to me. To the best of my knowledge, there is no such position in the Catholic church or any other.

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G-Fresh 11:45 am
21 Nov 11
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“I’m pro life” – Bill Hicks

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Solidarity 11:55 am
21 Nov 11
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“I am against abortion, but I am all for killing babies…. as long as I can abort anyone under the age of 50” – Maddox

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