You already seem challenged enough

Before you commence your ‘game’, why not glance across to the other side of Hindmarsh Drive and have a peek at the roadside crosses that serve as a reminder that speed can in fact kill.

Then stay the hell away from me and my family on the road.

What exactly is the game here?

Pfftttt, 5, I can over take way more then that.

p1 said :

Pfftttt, 5, I can over take way more then that.

OP probably can`t count past that.

As a daily user of Hindmarsh I had already drawn the conclusion that people stupid and reckless enough to come tearing up behind me, weaving in and out of traffic, could only be doing so because they were turning into Mugga Way and thereby not completing the two point check.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

So not only can you not figure out where you may or may not park (http://the-riotact.com/parking-tickets-for-obstructing-traffic-and-pedestrians-in-canberra/73501), but you also like to play dangerous games flaunting the road rules on a stretch of road that has already claimed far more lives than it reasonably ever should have.

Congratulations on being such an awe-inspiring member of the community.

Clearly the OP is made of pure awesome, and we should all bow down before his towering achievements of awesomeness! I too can’t think of any more awesome use of my time than breaking the law and risking the safety of other motorists. Rock on!

poorhatsoap said :

on a stretch of road that has already claimed far more lives than it reasonably ever should have.

cranky said :

Sorry, there have been (from memory) three deaths in one accident on this stretch of road in about the last 15 years.

Hardly a glowing endorsement for establishing speed cameras on road safety grounds.

But yes, the smartarses are certainly having fun prior to hanging left into (Upper) Red Hill.

cranky said :

poorhatsoap said :

on a stretch of road that has already claimed far more lives than it reasonably ever should have.

poorhatsoap said :

Sorry, there have been (from memory) three deaths in one accident on this stretch of road in about the last 15 years.

Hardly a glowing endorsement for establishing speed cameras on road safety grounds.

But yes, the smartarses are certainly having fun prior to hanging left into (Upper) Red Hill.

So 3 deaths on a dual lane divided road with an 80km/h speed limit is acceptable is it? You’d have a point if there had been zero deaths in 15 years. Otherwise that’s still 3 too many.

Clearly the OP is not trying hard enough. At both driving and trolling.

Or you could just get reversible number plates. It cost me about $30 and an hour and a half to put in.

poorhatsoap said :

cranky said :

poorhatsoap said :

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So 3 deaths on a dual lane divided road with an 80km/h speed limit is acceptable is it? You’d have a point if there had been zero deaths in 15 years. Otherwise that’s still 3 too many.

Those 3 deaths were an unfortunate occurence involving students in the one accident, and occurred about 15 years ago. I do not believe any deaths have occurred in the camera area since then. And to the best of my knowledge, only one other in the area of this section, involving a brakeless truck.

So yes, I do wonder why this stretch was chosen, if not for it’s potential revenue stream.

Dougal said :

Before you commence your ‘game’, why not glance across to the other side of Hindmarsh Drive and have a peek at the roadside crosses that serve as a reminder that speed can in fact kill.

Then stay the hell away from me and my family on the road.

Oh poor you (Mc)Dougal(l)! Get on with your own life and stop trying to tell everyone else how to get on with theirs, you have a better chance of being in a plane crash I mean WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK THESE CASH BOX THINGS SAVE LIVES AY???

Mr Gillespie said :

Dougal said :

Before you commence your ‘game’, why not glance across to the other side of Hindmarsh Drive and have a peek at the roadside crosses that serve as a reminder that speed can in fact kill.

Then stay the hell away from me and my family on the road.

Oh poor you (Mc)Dougal(l)! Get on with your own life and stop trying to tell everyone else how to get on with theirs, you have a better chance of being in a plane crash I mean WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK THESE CASH BOX THINGS SAVE LIVES AY???

It’s more about trying to control the wankers on the road Mr Gillespie.

Deckard said :

Clearly the OP is not trying hard enough. At both driving and trolling.

I’d say he was limited to getting past just 5 cars on account of the mindless cretin doing 70km/h in the fast lane.

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh poor you (Mc)Dougal(l)! Get on with your own life and stop trying to tell everyone else how to get on with theirs, you have a better chance of being in a plane crash I mean WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK THESE CASH BOX THINGS SAVE LIVES AY???

Yay! Mr G is back and he’s brought his CAPS LOCK with him.

Let the crazy times roll-on.

HenryBG said :

I’d say he was limited to getting past just 5 cars on account of the mindless cretin doing 70km/h in the fast lane.

There’s a fast lane on Hindmarsh? I thought everyone was doing car into cruise, set it at 80 and brain into neutral.

bigfeet said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh poor you (Mc)Dougal(l)! Get on with your own life and stop trying to tell everyone else how to get on with theirs, you have a better chance of being in a plane crash I mean WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK THESE CASH BOX THINGS SAVE LIVES AY???

Yay! Mr G is back and he’s brought his CAPS LOCK with him.

Let the crazy times roll-on.

Mr G’s CAPS LOCK FURY has inspired me to petition the ACT government to implement a model of speed camera enforcement like they have in Hong Kong. Bucketloads of cameras, but only a percentage of them are active at any given time. So you just won’t know when or where you’re about to get pinged BREAKING THE LAW (couldn’t resist the CAPS LOCK)

Since the introduction of the cameras in HK, there has been a 40% reduction in accidents involving injuries. Who would have thought that these ‘cash box things’ could have that sort of effect, AY?

switch said :

HenryBG said :

I’d say he was limited to getting past just 5 cars on account of the mindless cretin doing 70km/h in the fast lane.

There’s a fast lane on Hindmarsh? I thought everyone was doing car into cruise, set it at 80 and brain into neutral.

Actually this is a real problem. Many cars are slowing down, but not to just under 80, but to 70. More cars switch lanes to avoid them. Problem worse when they slow down extra hard before the end check point.

I drive that stretch a lot and turn on toMugga Way. I probably pass 5 cars every time without having to go over 82.

Mr Gillespie said :

Dougal said :

Before you commence your ‘game’, why not glance across to the other side of Hindmarsh Drive and have a peek at the roadside crosses that serve as a reminder that speed can in fact kill.

Then stay the hell away from me and my family on the road.

Oh poor you (Mc)Dougal(l)! Get on with your own life and stop trying to tell everyone else how to get on with theirs, you have a better chance of being in a plane crash I mean WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK THESE CASH BOX THINGS SAVE LIVES AY???

THEY MIGHT IF CRETINS LIKE YOU DIDN’T DRIVE LIKE MEDICATE GORILLAS AY??? AND WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK USING ALL CAPS AND SUPERFLUOUS PUNCTUATION DOESN’T LEAVE YOU LOOKING LIKE A GIBBERING ASYLUM INMATE??1?!1

Dougal,

I can appreciate your thinking re the Hong Kong method of speed reduction. I also appreciate that the figures you have reported are for injuries recorded.

But if we look at the 4 road deaths recorded recently after over 12 months of fatality free motoring, we see that one could probably be attributed to a poor road surface, combined with an immoveable object, (and inappropriate speed has been catagorically ruled out), one the result of criminal stupidity, and 2 at poorly designed intersections.

Ergo, not one local fatality would have been prevented by any potential speed reducing method.

cranky said :

Dougal,

I can appreciate your thinking re the Hong Kong method of speed reduction. I also appreciate that the figures you have reported are for injuries recorded.

But if we look at the 4 road deaths recorded recently after over 12 months of fatality free motoring, we see that one could probably be attributed to a poor road surface, combined with an immoveable object, (and inappropriate speed has been catagorically ruled out), one the result of criminal stupidity, and 2 at poorly designed intersections.

Ergo, not one local fatality would have been prevented by any potential speed reducing method.

cranky,

Firstly, I sincerely thank you for your polite, measured, and CAPS LOCK free response.

Canberra certainly appears to be a lucky town with relatively few fatalities on our roads. Stats on injuries? I’d be interested to see those stats. Just because someone doesn’t die in a car accident doesn’t mean that their life isn’t drastically affected. I don’t want to be that person affected. I don’t want my spouse or my child to be that person.

My response to G was was prompted by his claim that speed cameras are ‘cash box things’. I am firmly in the camp that has no issue with speed cameras. Don’t speed (don’t break the law), and you won’t get fined. It really is as simple as that.

The people that get so fired up about speed cameras are the same people that believe that they are superior to everyone else on the road. They can speed because they are a ‘good driver’. They can run red lights because they ‘shouldn’t have to wait’. They can swerve in and out of traffic because if everyone else was as ‘switched on’ as they are then they should see them coming. They can drive drunk because ‘it’s only a few streets away’. The 40kph limit in school zones and through roadworks are only suggestions, because those kids and workers should look both ways and be more careful.

Why should I have to share the road with these people? I just want to go to and fro and make it home alive, uninjured, and with my car in one piece.

Dougal said :

cranky said :

Dougal,

I can appreciate your thinking re the Hong Kong method of speed reduction. I also appreciate that the figures you have reported are for injuries recorded.

But if we look at the 4 road deaths recorded recently after over 12 months of fatality free motoring, we see that one could probably be attributed to a poor road surface, combined with an immoveable object, (and inappropriate speed has been catagorically ruled out), one the result of criminal stupidity, and 2 at poorly designed intersections.

Ergo, not one local fatality would have been prevented by any potential speed reducing method.

cranky,

Firstly, I sincerely thank you for your polite, measured, and CAPS LOCK free response.

Canberra certainly appears to be a lucky town with relatively few fatalities on our roads. Stats on injuries? I’d be interested to see those stats. Just because someone doesn’t die in a car accident doesn’t mean that their life isn’t drastically affected. I don’t want to be that person affected. I don’t want my spouse or my child to be that person.

My response to G was was prompted by his claim that speed cameras are ‘cash box things’. I am firmly in the camp that has no issue with speed cameras. Don’t speed (don’t break the law), and you won’t get fined. It really is as simple as that.

The people that get so fired up about speed cameras are the same people that believe that they are superior to everyone else on the road. They can speed because they are a ‘good driver’. They can run red lights because they ‘shouldn’t have to wait’. They can swerve in and out of traffic because if everyone else was as ‘switched on’ as they are then they should see them coming. They can drive drunk because ‘it’s only a few streets away’. The 40kph limit in school zones and through roadworks are only suggestions, because those kids and workers should look both ways and be more careful.

Why should I have to share the road with these people? I just want to go to and fro and make it home alive, uninjured, and with my car in one piece.

See, you were coming across all measured and reasoned in your arguments, then you lumped everybody who disagrees with speed cameras in the “drives drunk while speeding through school zones on crack” demographic. Way to make someone who isn’t 100% convinced that app
We’d cameras are a good thing was to engage you in intelligent debate.

p1 said :

Dougal said :

cranky said :

Dougal,

I can appreciate your thinking re the Hong Kong method of speed reduction. I also appreciate that the figures you have reported are for injuries recorded.

But if we look at the 4 road deaths recorded recently after over 12 months of fatality free motoring, we see that one could probably be attributed to a poor road surface, combined with an immoveable object, (and inappropriate speed has been catagorically ruled out), one the result of criminal stupidity, and 2 at poorly designed intersections.

Ergo, not one local fatality would have been prevented by any potential speed reducing method.

cranky,

Firstly, I sincerely thank you for your polite, measured, and CAPS LOCK free response.

Canberra certainly appears to be a lucky town with relatively few fatalities on our roads. Stats on injuries? I’d be interested to see those stats. Just because someone doesn’t die in a car accident doesn’t mean that their life isn’t drastically affected. I don’t want to be that person affected. I don’t want my spouse or my child to be that person.

My response to G was was prompted by his claim that speed cameras are ‘cash box things’. I am firmly in the camp that has no issue with speed cameras. Don’t speed (don’t break the law), and you won’t get fined. It really is as simple as that.

The people that get so fired up about speed cameras are the same people that believe that they are superior to everyone else on the road. They can speed because they are a ‘good driver’. They can run red lights because they ‘shouldn’t have to wait’. They can swerve in and out of traffic because if everyone else was as ‘switched on’ as they are then they should see them coming. They can drive drunk because ‘it’s only a few streets away’. The 40kph limit in school zones and through roadworks are only suggestions, because those kids and workers should look both ways and be more careful.

Why should I have to share the road with these people? I just want to go to and fro and make it home alive, uninjured, and with my car in one piece.

See, you were coming across all measured and reasoned in your arguments, then you lumped everybody who disagrees with speed cameras in the “drives drunk while speeding through school zones on crack” demographic. Way to make someone who isn’t 100% convinced that app
We’d cameras are a good thing was to engage you in intelligent debate.

Oh please. What is your argument against speed cameras then? I repeat – don’t break the law, and you won’t get pinged with a fine. Pretty simple, no?

There is a certain satisfaction in beating the govt at their own stupid money-grubbing games – this is but one. I personally relish those moments, so I can totally see where the OP is coming from!

Other moments of perverse satisfaction include beating the unreasonable, poorly-thought-through developments in one’s local area that just keep popping up (eg on one’s local park), being a guerilla gardener and water restriction freedom fighter, etc etc. I am sure Rioters could easily add to this list.

I freely admit that my satisfaction in such things is inversely proportional to my dissatisfaction with ‘our’ Local Govt.

Dougal said :

Oh please. What is your argument against speed cameras then? I repeat – don’t break the law, and you won’t get pinged with a fine. Pretty simple, no?

Stupid laws are there to be broken.

I noticed more accidents on Hindmarsh in the last month or so than I’ve ever seen there in years of driving on it.
I wonder if the government will issue a press release admitting a big upsurge in accidents? Or are they too busy appointing family members to top jobs and cooking the books?

Just to be clear here. I never said I was excessively speeding. As mentioned I was simply passing the cars, some of which had indeed slowed right down to 70. I may have gone above 80km/h at some point but I wasn’t ever doing in excess of 90km/h, nor dodging and weaving through traffic.

Dougal said :

Before you commence your ‘game’, why not glance across to the other side of Hindmarsh Drive and have a peek at the roadside crosses that serve as a reminder that speed can in fact kill.

Then stay the hell away from me and my family on the road.

What – that carful of 17 year old idiots 15 years ago who left the road at over 180km/h? Yeah, that’s the same as someone drifting a couple of kays over down the hill!

miz said :

… being a guerilla gardener and water restriction freedom fighter, etc etc. I am sure Rioters could easily add to this list.

I freely admit that my satisfaction in such things is inversely proportional to my dissatisfaction with ‘our’ Local Govt.

Want to be a ‘freedom fighter’ and ignore water restrictions? Guess I’ll have to come over in the dead of night, chop up all your hoses, ringbark your trees, and spray your garden with herbicide.

Only one way to deal with insurgents.

Mattenagger said :

Just to be clear here. I never said I was excessively speeding. As mentioned I was simply passing the cars, some of which had indeed slowed right down to 70. I may have gone above 80km/h at some point but I wasn’t ever doing in excess of 90km/h, nor dodging and weaving through traffic.

Well, you’ve just made a lame challenge sound even lamer. Congratulations.