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How much fuel do you need?

By Pork Hunt - 8 April 2012 49

The Canberra Times tells us that ASIO wants to store 600,000 litres of diesel fuel at their new HQ to run back up power generators.

April fools day was last week, what’s going on?  

600,000 lt is about 15 semi trailer tanker loads of diesel fuel which would be enough to run the biggest genny in the world for about 10 years.  

What’s Your opinion?


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How much fuel do you need?
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PrinceOfAles 10:58 pm
08 Apr 12
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2620watcher said :

Any idea how much fuel an ‘average’ petrol station stores in its underground tanks?

I have an ex underground tank gravity feeding my garden their bore water. It’s 68,000L in size. So assume 3 or 4 of them in an average petrol station (diesel, ULP, PULP, E10).

So say a shade under 300Kl.

So ASIO are looking to store twice what a petrol station does?

Doesn’t sound that bad.

If my memory serves me correctly (which it may not) some of the medium/large shell servos around the joint had in the order of 250,000 – 500,000L total divided between 4-8 tanks.

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arescarti42 11:27 pm
08 Apr 12
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2620watcher said :

Any idea how much fuel an ‘average’ petrol station stores in its underground tanks?

I have an ex underground tank gravity feeding my garden their bore water. It’s 68,000L in size. So assume 3 or 4 of them in an average petrol station (diesel, ULP, PULP, E10).

So say a shade under 300Kl.

So ASIO are looking to store twice what a petrol station does?

Doesn’t sound that bad.

Some unverified sources on the interwebs suggest that storage at petrol stations ranges from about 40,000L for a small, local shops type servo, up to 130,000L for large, truck stop on the Hume High way type servos. It is probably not an unreasonable assertion, that sort of storage capacity would be fuel for about 600 – 1900 cars with 70 litre tanks, and I’m pretty sure most petrol stations get fuel deliveries every couple of days at the most.

It is worth pointing out that the Times article says ASIO want 660,000L of fuel, which is closer to 700,000L than 600,000L. So 660,000L would be 5 – 16.5 times what is stored at a service station, if you believe the interwebs.

660,000L is almost spot on $1 million worth of diesel at a price of $1.5L, which i find interesting.

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c_c 1:52 am
09 Apr 12
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arescarti42 said :

660,000L is almost spot on $1 million worth of diesel at a price of $1.5L, which i find interesting.

lol, I doubt someone buying 660,000L of fuel is going to pay the retail price on it.

At the same time, I wouldn’t find a figure like that all that surprising for a Department’s fuel bill. How much do people think the APS spends on fuel for their fleet vehicles in a year?

I wouldn’t mind seeing ASIO use bio-diesel, wonder if the Greens can pull a finger out and encourage that?

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screaming banshee 6:34 am
09 Apr 12
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arescarti42 said :

660,000L is almost spot on $1 million worth of diesel at a price of $1.5L, which i find interesting.

You may also find it interesting then that off-road users of diesel fuel, ie cranes, excavators and generators receive a rebate for the circa 40c excise that road users pay for their diesel.

Also with truck fuel capacities up around 1000L, your 130,000 litre truck stop could only fuel 130 trucks.

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JC 9:36 am
09 Apr 12
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Years ago I used to work at one of the larger servo’s in town. If I recall we had two 4 separate tanks, the ones for super and unleaded were about 120,000l each and the premium and diesel tanks were about 60,000l each. So about 360,000 in total, or about half what ASIO is planning.

I personally don’t see what the issue is anyway. It’s not like diesel is going to go ka-boom like petrol vapours do. Diesel is a lot harder to ignite and when it does it will just burn rather than explode and of course it is much easier to put out as a result. Additionally considering it is going to be used for generators the storage and use of it is going to be much more controlled than fuel that is held and dispensed into vehicles at a servo. So really seems like a non issue being beat up by ill-informed ‘local residents’ and those that are anti anything new.

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Mr Evil 11:57 am
09 Apr 12
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Mr Waffle said :

Well, when it goes up in flames, at least it’ll become another national tourist attraction we can be proud of?

This is 1500ltrs burning-

http://youtu.be/qzi8Ull24KQ

Gonna need a big hose!

Just fit a foam attachment to the Captain Cook Memorial Jet, and you’ll have an instant high capacity firefighting tool close at hand!

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deye 12:43 pm
09 Apr 12
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JC said :

I personally don’t see what the issue is anyway. It’s not like diesel is going to go ka-boom like petrol vapours do. Diesel is a lot harder to ignite and when it does it will just burn rather than explode and of course it is much easier to put out as a result. Additionally considering it is going to be used for generators the storage and use of it is going to be much more controlled than fuel that is held and dispensed into vehicles at a servo. So really seems like a non issue being beat up by ill-informed ‘local residents’ and those that are anti anything new.

Given how close it is to the lake, it could be interesting if a leak occurs.

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Sandman 1:26 pm
09 Apr 12
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JC said :

Years ago I used to work at one of the larger servo’s in town. If I recall we had two 4 separate tanks, the ones for super and unleaded were about 120,000l each and the premium and diesel tanks were about 60,000l each. So about 360,000 in total, or about half what ASIO is planning.

I personally don’t see what the issue is anyway. It’s not like diesel is going to go ka-boom like petrol vapours do. Diesel is a lot harder to ignite and when it does it will just burn rather than explode and of course it is much easier to put out as a result. Additionally considering it is going to be used for generators the storage and use of it is going to be much more controlled than fuel that is held and dispensed into vehicles at a servo. So really seems like a non issue being beat up by ill-informed ‘local residents’ and those that are anti anything new.

Agreed. They’re obviously planning for a worst case scenario. If the s**t hits the fan and the power is shut off then the Defence Department and Asio need supplies to keep them running. May be hard to send a couple of Junior staffers down to Caltex with 20L jerry cans to keep the generators running in the case of a National emergency or invasion.

As a matter of perspective, an Olympic swimming pool is 2.5 million litres minimum. This only a quarter of that. Imagine the stockpiles somewhere like the US would have set aside to run their Military. It’d probably make the new Cotter Dam look like a puddle.

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shauno 1:51 pm
09 Apr 12
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US strategic petroleum reserve is around 727 million barrels of oil. Or around 160 litres x 727million = 116 billion or so litres haha.

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johnboy 2:29 pm
09 Apr 12
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the strategic reserve however is kept where the oil was found, in old oil wells, not in Campbell.

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GardeningGirl 2:46 pm
09 Apr 12
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I-filed said :

Innovation said :

I’m very surprised that this didn’t come up at the design stage. If it had, I imagine that there would have been a larger reaction than there likely will be now. I still find it strange that spooks would want such a prominent and easily identifiable building. It’s almost like they are chiseling away at what they need.

It will have come up at the design stage – I’m sure they strategically timed the request to be pretty much a fait accompli …

Just what I was thinking!
I usually have some sympathy for NIMBY’s because they’re the ones who have to live with the consequences so why shouldn’t they care. I did think the objections to the ASIO building weren’t really justified but now I’m disgusted by this attempt to sneak something else in later.

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shauno 6:00 pm
09 Apr 12
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GardeningGirl said :

I-filed said :

Innovation said :

I’m very surprised that this didn’t come up at the design stage. If it had, I imagine that there would have been a larger reaction than there likely will be now. I still find it strange that spooks would want such a prominent and easily identifiable building. It’s almost like they are chiseling away at what they need.

It will have come up at the design stage – I’m sure they strategically timed the request to be pretty much a fait accompli …

Just what I was thinking!
I usually have some sympathy for NIMBY’s because they’re the ones who have to live with the consequences so why shouldn’t they care. I did think the objections to the ASIO building weren’t really justified but now I’m disgusted by this attempt to sneak something else in later.

um why oh why are you concerned. lol

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p1 6:29 pm
09 Apr 12
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Are ASIO planning on keeping this fuel in a stack of Jerry cans in the back yard? Or do the plans include 600k Litres worth of tanks? If so, did no one notice the tanks on the plan and ask what they were for? Or did they never show anyone that part of the plan, in which case why is this even being reported?

I wonder if the people in Campbell worried about this have any idea how many cubic metres of fuel is at Russell or Campbell Park? (or for that matter, in the secret bunker under the lake?)

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GardeningGirl 8:06 pm
09 Apr 12
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shauno said :

GardeningGirl said :

I-filed said :

Innovation said :

I’m very surprised that this didn’t come up at the design stage. If it had, I imagine that there would have been a larger reaction than there likely will be now. I still find it strange that spooks would want such a prominent and easily identifiable building. It’s almost like they are chiseling away at what they need.

It will have come up at the design stage – I’m sure they strategically timed the request to be pretty much a fait accompli …

Just what I was thinking!
I usually have some sympathy for NIMBY’s because they’re the ones who have to live with the consequences so why shouldn’t they care. I did think the objections to the ASIO building weren’t really justified but now I’m disgusted by this attempt to sneak something else in later.

um why oh why are you concerned. lol

I feel bad for anybody living in the area who had concerns about the building and is now faced with a “we’ve already built the building so now you have to let us put in the fuel depot too” scenario. Is there a problem with me caring about what affects fellow Canberrans, or caring about how town planning decisions are pushed through?

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MightyJoe 9:00 pm
09 Apr 12
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Wonder if they will sell by the litre? That way Finance / ASIO could make some money back on the $ blowout!

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