I don’t want to lose my licence.

By 15 February, 2009 163

I got booked in Yass just after new years going +15km/h over the speed limit. Fair enough, but i can’t believe the copper didn’t pull over the 4wd porsche going the same speed next to me, which had tinted windows and probably 6 tonnes of coke and pills. I also felt like the biggest asshole too because the 400 people I overtook got to see me cry and probably all felt so smug about themselves.

But anyway, at the time i was told that i’d just have to pay the $243 fine and i wouldn’t lose any demerit points because I had an ACT licence and got booked in NSW and for some reason the demerit points don’t get carried over. Which is good because it was double demerit points at the time.

I was happy until now when I just opened a letter from the NSW government telling me that my fine is overdue (not anymore) and that the offence carries 6 demerit points. I’m still on my P’s.. so if this letter from the government isn’t lying to me then i’ve lost my licence for 6 months AND THAT SUCKS A BIG FAT

Driving is the only alone time I have and its my favourite part of the day. Is there anything I can do?

[ED - Commenters are reminded that the poster here is young and also a long time reader, so let's try and stay constructive with our suggestions?]

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163 Responses to I don’t want to lose my licence.
#1
Sgt.Bungers2:59 pm, 15 Feb 09

If you’ve paid the fine, that’s all you’ve got to do. Once the fine has been paid the information about your offence will be sent to the ACT Motor Registry, and it is up to the ACT public servants if the 6 points will be added to your licence or not. The majority of the time it wont happen. In fact there’ll most likely be no record of the offence ever listed on your ACT driving record.

I know of several NSW residents that have been fined in the ACT and their NSW driving records are still spotless.

If the ACT Gov does decide to follow it up, you’ll get a letter from them notifying you that you’ve used all your available demerit points, and your suspension is X months.

#2
Morgan3:04 pm, 15 Feb 09

I understood that the points were carried over they just took longer. Ring Canberra Connect and ask them.

But seriously, you do the crime you do the time.

#3
LlamaFrog3:43 pm, 15 Feb 09

so sad.

#4
Granny3:44 pm, 15 Feb 09

I think it does take a while to learn that driving is actually a privilege not a right and to treat it as something very precious like gold or diamonds. It’s too valuable to be thrown away.

Hopefully you will not lose the points and you can benefit from the lesson without experiencing the pain. If worst comes to worst, you may be able to plead your case to a judge. I’m really not sure how the system works, though.

#5
gun street girl3:46 pm, 15 Feb 09

Were you booked going 15+ over the posted speed limit, or going 15+ over 80km/hr? NSW red p-platers are meant to have an 80km/hr limit, regardless of posted signs (arguably stupid on open roads). Green platers can’t exceed 90km/hr, I think. As an ACT p-plater, I don’t believe you are governed by that rule, so you could contest the charge if that were the case.

If, however, you were pinged doing 15+ over the posted limit, you might just have to wear it. I know you’ve probably heard it ad nauseum already, but truly – please slow down. Those of us at the front line really don’t like scraping young people off the roads and watching them die needlessly.

#6
deezagood3:46 pm, 15 Feb 09

Necrocelia, you could try to fight this or you could say ‘well, I am an inexperienced ‘P’ plate driver, who passed ’400 people’ and drove well over the speed limit and yet didn’t kill/hurt either myself or anybody else. Maybe, just maybe, you are one of the lucky ones …

#7
Danman3:53 pm, 15 Feb 09

Just like fishing, you don’t always catch the biggest fish eh ?

#8
fribibb4:03 pm, 15 Feb 09

@ gun street girl:
NSW red P Platers have a 90km/h limit, its L’s that are 80 (Green P’s are 100)
- Though if ‘necrocelia’ is on a ACT license it shouldn’t matter, as its not relevant to his/her license.

Also, from experience I’ve been pulled up in NSW and done for 15-30 over the limit, and a few months after I’d paid the fine I was in a govt shopfront and asked how many points I had left, and it appeared I hadn’t lost ANY points. I’ve also heard of this being the case for an ACT resident booked in QLD. But I’m still not officially sure if they could carry the points over or whether there are just a lot of stuff ups :)

I’d be interested to hear what the official word is if you do find out…

#9
Tooks4:06 pm, 15 Feb 09

You could write in and ask for leniency, but you probably won’t be successful.

By the way, if the fine is $243, then you were going more than 15kmh over the limit I would’ve thought?

#10
Tooks4:07 pm, 15 Feb 09

Actually, forget that last bit. I re-read your post and saw the ‘+’ before the 15.

#11
gun street girl4:08 pm, 15 Feb 09

Ta, fribibb – my mistake. I do know of ACT p-platers who’ve been pulled over by NSW cops for breaking the speeding rules applicable to NSW p-platers, but most got off with a stern word once the cops ascertained they weren’t on NSW licenses.

#12
Gerry-Built4:15 pm, 15 Feb 09

Copper might have pulled you up *because* you are on your ‘P’s… maybe thought you could learn something from your mistake… The 2 mistakes I was pulled up for one bad weekend when I was newly licensed (just before Ps introduced) certainly taught me not to speed… It just *isn’t* worth the risk (and I’m *not* talking about the $$$).

You can probably appeal the loss of license (or ask the courts for a restricted one to drive to work etc), or like most drivers that lose their license, drive without one and take the risk…

#13
zig4:22 pm, 15 Feb 09

I got booked for speeding the week after getting my P’s and lost 3 of my 6 points. The week before 3 guys from St Eddies died on Hindmarsh drive about the same place that I got booked. I never thought I’d make the 3 years with so few points left but I did because from that initial wake-up call I didn’t speed.

I don’t think you have any other option but to take this one on the chin and lose your licence for the set period. btw I thought it was only a 3 month suspension not 6 months.

#14
old canberran4:32 pm, 15 Feb 09

old canberran said :

I know of several NSW residents that have been fined in the ACT and their NSW driving records are still spotless.

I am looking at an ACT infringement notice addressed to me for allegedly exceeding the speed limit on the Monaro Highway between Mugga Lane and Isabella drive back in December. I was driving a NSW car and I have an NSW licence. I am attempting to get some leniency as I have a 54 year unblemished ACT driving record.
The form clearly states the penalty is $223 and 3 demerit points.

Necrocelia, all I can say is bad luck, you got caught same as I did. You probably didn’t know that around Xmas and New Year the penalties in NSW are double demerit points in an attempt to get people to not do what you did ie speed.

#15
vg4:42 pm, 15 Feb 09

“Is there anything I can do?”

No

Actually I am wrong, there is something you can do. Lighten your lead foot. Its not bad luck, its bad driving

#16
pelican5:01 pm, 15 Feb 09

One good thing about getting older is that you realise it doesn’t matter if you arrive at your destination 10 minutes later.

Experience is a wonderful gift and the only advice I have is we all make mistakes but if we learn from them and acknowledge them without killing anyone in the process all the better.

#17
gomer5:10 pm, 15 Feb 09

deezagood said :

or you could say ‘well, I am an inexperienced ‘P’ plate driver, who passed ’400 people’ and drove well over the speed limit and yet didn’t kill/hurt either myself or anybody else. Maybe, just maybe, you are one of the lucky ones …

thats a bit rough deezagood. Road rules are like Horoscopes, every so called authority has a different idea on what they should be, so you shouldn’t take them too seriously.

Sorry Necrocelia, Shit Happens. In future you might find it easier to stick to the speed limit on holidays that way you don’t have to worry about overtaking.

#18
johnboy5:10 pm, 15 Feb 09

As one of our wise readers reminded us the other day, justice is what you get when you run out of money.

IF it matters that much and IF you can afford it then an expensive lawyer can fix these things, often simply by threatening to waste so much of the court’s time that they’d rather let you get off scott free than deal with the lawyer.

But if the worst happens you’ll be surprised how quickly the time will pass.

#19
fabforty5:11 pm, 15 Feb 09

“the 400 people I overtook” ???

I am going to make an effort here not to give you a verbal ‘clip over the ear’. If you were overtaking lots of other cars, did it not occur to you that perhaps you were going way too fast ?

You are very young and don’t have enough driving experience to be driving fast. This may be why the police pulled you over. He or she may have saved your life with this wake-up call.

My advice is to take your medicine and learn from your mistake. Many of us have been there and have also learnt the hard way.

#20
Spam Box5:16 pm, 15 Feb 09

Beg the Court- it’s all you can do. If you need your license for Study/work then you might get a “special”.

I think your screwed.

#21
Ori5:36 pm, 15 Feb 09

Learn from it. Change your behaviour behind the wheel (please). Figure out how you will get by the next six months. Grieve, get angry, then get over it.

(Begging the court may work. Ring legal aid ACT 1300 654 314 they give telephone advice.)

#22
CoffinRX26:06 pm, 15 Feb 09

fabforty said :

“the 400 people I overtook” ???

I am going to make an effort here not to give you a verbal ‘clip over the ear’. If you were overtaking lots of other cars, did it not occur to you that perhaps you were going way too fast ?

You are very young and don’t have enough driving experience to be driving fast. This may be why the police pulled you over. He or she may have saved your life with this wake-up call.

My advice is to take your medicine and learn from your mistake. Many of us have been there and have also learnt the hard way.

I wouldnt say that overtaking tha many ppl is such a bad thing, …… 90% of canberra region drivers cannot even indicate or merge, let alone know how to drive at a consistant speed at the speed limit of a highway. … this practice only gets worse in the holiday periods where fools sit in the right hand lane of the hume etc @ 95kph if they are lucky.

Couple of weeks ago I went for a drive down the coast on a Saturday morning, …. overtook about 20 cars in the space of less than 4km.

#23
DJ6:17 pm, 15 Feb 09

Ever been fishing? Sure you have. When you did, did you catch all the fish?

The Police caught you. The other cars are the other fish (including the 400 you passed).

“Is there anything I can do?”

Learn from this. Catch a bus and have a loud iPod on – you’ll feel alone…

#24
Deckard6:17 pm, 15 Feb 09

Just suck it up if it happens and buy a bike. It may seem it at your age but 6 months is no time at all.

#25
monomania6:21 pm, 15 Feb 09

Maybe your RX2 will be your Coffin. Sorry most of the rest of us don’t meet your high driving standards as you are obviously a gun driver. However, I doubt that necrocelia shares your magnificent skill and should not be encouraged to believe her careless behaviour might be excused by others failings.

#26
youami6:24 pm, 15 Feb 09

My thoughts…

I was booked for speeding doing 80km in a 60km zone on my Ps about 15 years ago (yes I am old-ish) and I basically wrote a letter to the infringement bureau at the time in NSW arguing leniency as it was my first offence and that I need my car to get to work etc. If you have a clean record you may be able to get a caution depending on the circumstances of your offence. I wouldn’t recommend you saying you are ‘inexperienced’ but rather that you are cautious and follow road rules, just that one time you got caught was an exception for whatever reason and not in your true character. Maybe get some references to support your case. I wouldn’t put down an excuse just say it was an exception.

As far as transfer of demerits interstate, they do apply, just sometimes the recordkeeping isn’t very accurate. The demerit system is national and the only thing keeping people from having demerit points added interstate is the red tape and processing.

Failing all of this. Cop it sweet. If you speed and get caught you have to wear it. I have a long-going bet with my dad that should I ever get caught speeding I must pay the fine and also pay him the equivalent fine plus $50. Apart from that one time 15 years ago I have been clean! That doesn’t mean I don’t take some exception to the speed limit ;) . I don’t condone speeding but it isn’t speed that is dangerous, but driving contrary to the conditions of the road.

#27
youami6:33 pm, 15 Feb 09

oh and I agree with CoffinRX2 Canberra drivers are hopeless, they do keep to the right lane and don’t indicate. I think they think they are in their own little world and that they own the road in front of them. Most drivers, not just ACT drivers, do not look ahead and do not plan their trip. I mean most drives look about 1 metre in front of them so they have no idea of the conditions of the road nor do they realise there are other cars on the road! Of course, gross and massive generalisation here but nonetheless an observation. Try http://www.ratetheplate.com.au to see if your vehicle has been rated before.

#28
Woody Mann-Caruso8:01 pm, 15 Feb 09

I also felt like the biggest asshole too because the 400 people I overtook got to see me cry and probably all felt so smug about themselves.

I wasn’t there but I feel smug just reading about it.

Not one part of your post indicates any kind of remorse – just ‘omg, how can I get out of this?!’. Maybe punishment is what you need so it all, like, fully sinks in and stuff?

Bring on a national licencing system. We need to stop people like you slipping through the cracks before you slip a lovely family of four coming the other way into an early grave.

#29
TAD8:04 pm, 15 Feb 09

Ignore all the crap advice dished out here.

The Yass copper is right. Once the fine is paid the NSW RTA stop caring and don’t send the details on to the ACT.

#30
VYBerlinaV8_the_one_8:22 pm, 15 Feb 09

I regularly drive on NSW B and C grade highways and the driving I see from ACT registered cars is just atrocious. The common behaviours seem to be:
1) Failure to indicate. Driving in Civic at 30km/h, failing to indicate isn’t the end of the world, but cutting out in front of another car overtaking without indicating kills people on single lane highways.
2) Failure to stay in lane. NSW country roads have narrower lanes than in Canberra, and running over the centre line because you can’t keep your left wheels 12 inches from the broken verge can be a real problem when the guy coming toward you is driving a cattle truck.
3) Speeding up for overtaking lanes. When the (rare) overtaking lane appears, the ACT driver frequently seems to speed up. That’s why the guys with black and yellow plates are going well over the limit when they pass.
4) Not dipping headlights. When someone is coming toward you, or you come up behind someone, dip your damn lights.

As far as getting busted for speeding, well, country coppers are nothing if not predictable, in time you’ll learn how now to get caught.

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