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Increasing alcohol fuelled violence in Civic

By 4 May 2014 12

A report on the ABC ACT News on Friday night highlighted an 11% increase in alcohol fuelled violence in Civic, noting alcohol ‘pre loading’ one of the biggest challenges in managing the issue.

I must confess, it’s been a long time since I was out in Civic late on a Saturday night and back in the days of my youth we would ‘pre load’ at the RSL on 4 mixed drinks for $6, so times have changed and I’m pretty out of touch.

The report talked about the need to increase loading on alcohol sold in city supermarkets. I have to wonder how much power pubs and clubs have to refuse service, how empowered their staff are to say no and what back up is in force?

What’s your experience of Saturday night in Civic these days?

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12 Responses to Increasing alcohol fuelled violence in Civic
#1
bundah9:04 am, 05 May 14

It’s business as usual ie. one will encounter testosterone/alcohol fuelled violence perpetrated by imbeciles, without fail.

#2
Ghettosmurf879:57 am, 05 May 14

There’s not really been much change in the decade that I’ve been heading to pubs and clubs in Civic.

Pre-loading always occurred, whether that was taking advantage of the drinks deals at certain venues or drinking at a mates place beforehand. I really don’t know too many people that ever bought their booze from a civic liquor store for pre-loading. If you were already in town, you just went to one of the many venues doing cheap drinks early. If you weren’t already in town, you bought from somewhere else and drank it before coming in. I can’t see how an increased tax or levy on booze from bottle-o’s in a certain zone is going to change things. The venues are more likely to be pushing that concept so that more people decide to drink in their venues rather than buy takeaways as the cost becomes similar.

There’s always been blokes (and ladies) willing to throw a punch or act like thugs, but they’re really not that hard to avoid.

As for the empowerment of staff and venues, they’re as much to blame as the people doing the fighting. The “enforcement” of responsible sale of alcohol is almost non-existent. Venues are happy as larry to take as much coin as they possibly can and only eject people when they’re basically paralytic or out of control.

So I don’t have much sympathy for the venues that want to cry about it, they bring it on themselves.

#3
Dante12:00 pm, 05 May 14

Unfortunately you can’t legislate against people being aggressive d*ckheads, you can only legislate against the actions they tend to carry out after downing a few pints of their brew of choice.

Furthermore, levies on alcohol sold in city supermarkets unfairly targets inner-city dwellers under the intention of “making the community safer”.

Somewhat confusing that this report seems to go against the Government’s recent press release, also reported on this site.

#4
harvyk112:55 pm, 05 May 14

I hate the term “Alcohol Fueled Violence”. A far more accurate term would be “D*ckhead Fueled Violence”.

Most people are able to go out for a night on the town, and a brewski or three and make it home without feeling the need to punch someone in the head to top the night off.

#5
harvyk112:57 pm, 05 May 14

harvyk1 said :

I have to wonder how much power pubs and clubs have to refuse service

Loads, in fact for them to not refuse service to someone who has had too much is in breach of RSA laws. Of course now find me a pub which actually pays attention to those laws…

#6
magiccar97:46 pm, 05 May 14

harvyk1 said :

I hate the term “Alcohol Fueled Violence”. A far more accurate term would be “D*ckhead Fueled Violence”.

Most people are able to go out for a night on the town, and a brewski or three and make it home without feeling the need to punch someone in the head to top the night off.

I think the term is 100% accurate. Yes d**kheads will continue to be d**kheads, but the problem at hand is 100% fuelled by alcohol – either directly or otherwise.

Alcohol causes one to be in a frame of mind that reduces rational thought, so fill one of your average d**kheads with it and this is when the violence starts to come into play. Where this person would have otherwise just been a plain tool whilst sober, the alcohol would (in many cases, ,not all) make them violent and more inclined to act on the violent urges.

The indirect side of alcohol fuelled violence is when you have a bunch of d**kheads (I like to call them a ‘clan’) where they’re all fuelled with grog. They then tend to egg on one or two of the clan leaders to engage in violence. In which case I believe they all should be held accountable for whatever happens next.

So back to my original point, the term ‘alcohol fuelled violence’ is a term that I believe is 100% fitting – fill d**kheads with grog and you get violence, simple.

#7
gooterz10:28 pm, 05 May 14

magiccar9 said :

harvyk1 said :

I hate the term “Alcohol Fueled Violence”. A far more accurate term would be “D*ckhead Fueled Violence”.

Most people are able to go out for a night on the town, and a brewski or three and make it home without feeling the need to punch someone in the head to top the night off.

Alcohol causes one to be in a frame of mind that reduces rational thought, so fill one of your average d**kheads with it and this is when the violence starts to come into play. Where this person would have otherwise just been a plain tool whilst sober, the alcohol would (in many cases, ,not all) make them violent and more inclined to act on the violent urges.

The indirect side of alcohol fuelled violence is when you have a bunch of d**kheads (I like to call them a ‘clan’) where they’re all fuelled with grog. They then tend to egg on one or two of the clan leaders to engage in violence. In which case I believe they all should be held accountable for whatever happens next.

Adult males become alpha males infront of prospective partners. Does this mean we should call it libido fuelled violence?

RSA doesn’t stop people from buying drinks for others.

#8
Weaselburger11:35 pm, 05 May 14

I don’t go out to Civic much anymore (when I do I’m usually the dezzie driver….. When you stop drinking you finally realise that Canberra is full of p#sheads……on a Saturday night even with the AFP around every corner there still seems to be a lot of violence…… In my opinion (and I’m probably gonna get lots of hate mail for this). I think that the government is to blame (in good Riotact tradition) ………………….When they put up the tax on alcohol and everything else then it just makes illegal drugs a more affordable choice….Why go out to a pub and spend $100 when you can get a pill for $30 that does the same thing……problem is that the pill seems to make people more unpredictable and more unreasonable…

#9
switch8:00 am, 06 May 14

Weaselburger said :

In my opinion (and I’m probably gonna get lots of hate mail for this). I think that the government is to blame (in good Riotact tradition)

You forgot to blame cyclists. Back to re-education camp for you.

#10
Deref8:20 am, 06 May 14

magiccar9 said :

I think the term is 100% accurate. Yes d**kheads will continue to be d**kheads, but the problem at hand is 100% fuelled by alcohol – either directly or otherwise.

Alcohol causes one to be in a frame of mind that reduces rational thought, so fill one of your average d**kheads with it and this is when the violence starts to come into play. Where this person would have otherwise just been a plain tool whilst sober, the alcohol would (in many cases, ,not all) make them violent and more inclined to act on the violent urges.

Can’t agree. No matter how drunk I’ve ever been, I’ve never had the urge to hit anyone. It’s not the alcohol, it’s the lack of brain cells (though that may be a direct result of the alcohol).

#11
bundah9:04 am, 06 May 14

Deref said :

magiccar9 said :

I think the term is 100% accurate. Yes d**kheads will continue to be d**kheads, but the problem at hand is 100% fuelled by alcohol – either directly or otherwise.

Alcohol causes one to be in a frame of mind that reduces rational thought, so fill one of your average d**kheads with it and this is when the violence starts to come into play. Where this person would have otherwise just been a plain tool whilst sober, the alcohol would (in many cases, ,not all) make them violent and more inclined to act on the violent urges.

Can’t agree. No matter how drunk I’ve ever been, I’ve never had the urge to hit anyone. It’s not the alcohol, it’s the lack of brain cells (though that may be a direct result of the alcohol).

Yeah generalisations can be problematic. Unfortunately there are a minority who display the Jekyll and Hyde syndrome who IMO should never be allowed to drink….

#12
JesterNoir12:09 pm, 07 May 14

Perhaps if venues had drinks that were more reasonably priced, especially premixed drinks (Read: Less alcohol tax) throughout the night (and not just at the start) people would be less likely to ‘pre load’ with more powerful beverages.

That being said, if people are going to fight, they will do so regardless of the cost of booze.

This study may be to your interests:
Dutch Courage: Young People, Alcohol and Alcohol Related Violence
Dr Justin Barker, June 2010

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