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Increasing motorcycle use to avoid parking fees

By 15 April 2014 26

There has apparently been a rise in motorcycle and scooter purchases in the ACT, in a bid to avoid the new parking fees payable in the Parliamentary Circle (say that three times after a few beers…).

At nearly $3000 a year for new parking (as of July 1), I can completely understand this shift, but can’t help but envisage a sea of scooters and motorcycles on our roads, ala Vietnam or Bangkok – all suited and booted.

The changing face of Canberra indeed!

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26 Responses to Increasing motorcycle use to avoid parking fees
#1
Rollersk8r8:20 am, 16 Apr 14

I saw the story and thought pffffft! Wow – just like everyone else those geniuses are weighing up their own economic decisions!

And by increase in sales did they mean 0.01% – being the proportion of people working in the area who: (a) don’t have kids to pick up or drop off, (b) won’t ride their bicycle, (c) have no need to pick up shopping on the way home, (d) won’t catch the bus, (e) will tolerate the cold in the winter, (f) are fit and able to ride a motorbike and (g) are happy with the risks of motorbikes??

#2
dungfungus9:15 am, 16 Apr 14

Rollersk8r said :

I saw the story and thought pffffft! Wow – just like everyone else those geniuses are weighing up their own economic decisions!

And by increase in sales did they mean 0.01% – being the proportion of people working in the area who: (a) don’t have kids to pick up or drop off, (b) won’t ride their bicycle, (c) have no need to pick up shopping on the way home, (d) won’t catch the bus, (e) will tolerate the cold in the winter, (f) are fit and able to ride a motorbike and (g) are happy with the risks of motorbikes??

These are public servants that work for finance and treasury who are enraged by other public servants taking their “entitlements” away from them.
No further comment needed until we analyse the budget next month.

#3
p111:36 am, 16 Apr 14

As a (kinda) long term rider of a motorcycle in this city, I look forward to the flood of barely ridden second hand bikes once many of these new riders figure out that winter in Canberra isn’t the most pleasant place to ride a bike.

#4
shirty_bear1:29 pm, 16 Apr 14

p1 said :

As a (kinda) long term rider of a motorcycle in this city, I look forward to the flood of barely ridden second hand bikes once many of these new riders figure out that winter in Canberra isn’t the most pleasant place to ride a bike.

Mostly mopeds/scooters, I’d reckon … not the sort of thing a seasoned rider is likely to be looking for.

But if the roads fill up with bikes, then great … as a single-user conveyance, they make plenty of sense – less fuel, less road space, better traffic flow. Even if the voluntary taxation is reduced, it’s still a good result.

#5
jase!2:54 pm, 16 Apr 14

cue the bitching from “real” riders about “fair weather” riders taking “their” parking spots in 5…4…3…

#6
switch3:16 pm, 16 Apr 14

Jakarta, here we come.

#7
watto234:27 pm, 16 Apr 14

yeah the same people complaining about parking cannot seriously be motivated to go pay for a L’s course and do that followed by passing the P’s course and test. It would be too hard for them, easier to complain. I suspect the abundant motorcycle parking may dry up a bit, but I do know several motorcycle riders in the NCA and they are planning to add more, but need to see the impact first. And as they say winter stops many a rider. To think I get called soft for riding a Vespa to work, but rode more in the winter than the summer!

#8
Innovation5:54 pm, 16 Apr 14

I’m surprised that, in this electronic era, no-one’s pointed out that motorcyclists could easily be charged for parking also. Number plates can be recorded and checked without having to pay for tickets. What would be an appropriate proportion of $11 per day?

#9
Sandman7:06 pm, 16 Apr 14

My wife works in the city. She couldn’t even drive a manual car but 3 years ago she got her bike licence and every day since she’s either ridden the bike or walked. If she needs to do kid pickups she rides home and gets the car. Bike has paid for itself twice over with the fuel, rego and parking savings.

#10
jasere9:35 am, 17 Apr 14

Increasing road fatalities all to avoid parking fees.

#11
NoImRight9:54 am, 17 Apr 14

jasere said :

Increasing road fatalities all to avoid parking fees.

Something of a leap. Bikes arent inherantly more dangerous. Its often the cars around them. So less cars may equal safer riding. :-)

#12
davo10110:12 am, 17 Apr 14

NoImRight said :

Bikes aren’t inherently more dangerous.

Show me a motor bike equipped with air bags, seat belts and stability control then I might agree with you.

#13
NoImRight10:25 am, 17 Apr 14

davo101 said :

NoImRight said :

Bikes aren’t inherently more dangerous.

Show me a motor bike equipped with air bags, seat belts and stability control then I might agree with you.

You are confusing primary safety with secondary safety. Id rather avoid an accident than hope doodads keep me safe in the middle of one. Plus you have ignored the rest of my post so changed its context.

#14
watto2310:55 am, 17 Apr 14

davo101 said :

NoImRight said :

Bikes aren’t inherently more dangerous.

Show me a motor bike equipped with air bags, seat belts and stability control then I might agree with you.

Actually motorcycle riders are probably safer drivers, because you do go through the extra training and made to realise on a bike if you tailgate you die. OK there are many bad bike riders, just like bad car drivers, but in general the bike riders are better drivers than car drivers overall IMO.

#15
Tenpoints11:25 am, 17 Apr 14

watto23 said :

davo101 said :

NoImRight said :

Bikes aren’t inherently more dangerous.

Show me a motor bike equipped with air bags, seat belts and stability control then I might agree with you.

Actually motorcycle riders are probably safer drivers, because you do go through the extra training and made to realise on a bike if you tailgate you die. OK there are many bad bike riders, just like bad car drivers, but in general the bike riders are better drivers than car drivers overall IMO.

I agree with your statement. As a motorcyclist and bicyclist, I take my experience with buffer zones and anticipating hazards and apply it to my driving as well. That probably makes me a safer driver than one without two-wheeled experiences.

However, this does not disprove the argument that bikes are inherently more dangerous. Taking the assumption that we are talking about personal safety not safety of other people here, then yes you are far more at risk of injury on a bike vs in a car.
A collision situation that would be a minor bingle in a car can easily transcend to a critical injury or fatality on a motorcycle, depending on the immediate surrounding environment.
The fact that your immediate surrounding environment in a motorcycle can be anything from smooth ashphalt to moving vehicles, gutters, trees, walls, whatever versus a rigid cage with airbags in a car is what makes motorcycle accidents much more risky on average than car accidents.

I would argue that you’re also more likely to find yourself in an accident situation on a motorbike if one of your wheels loses traction. You can easily go down if either the front or the back skids and then you’re at the discretion of the surrounding environment. Lose traction in a car and you generally can recover it fairly eaily or more to the point, stay upright. This holds at least when driving/riding within the speed limits and dealing with slippery surfaces like water, oil, black ice, gravel or unexpectely off-camber sections.

So yeah, there’s no doubt riding is heaps more dangerous than driving a car and you definitely should think about doing a lot of practical training before you take your trade your cage for a bike. It’s more than dollars on the line when you’re riding a bike.

#16
davo10111:57 am, 17 Apr 14

NoImRight said :

You are confusing primary safety with secondary safety.

Motorcycles account for 4.5 per cent of all Australian passenger vehicle registrations and 0.9 per cent of vehicle-kilometres travelled. However, motorcycle riders account for approximately 15 per cent of all road crash deaths and an even higher proportion of serious injuries. Per distance travelled, the Australian rate of motorcyclist deaths is approximately 30 times the rate for car occupants. The corresponding rate for a serious injury is approximately 41 times higher.

Motor bikes are not inherently more dangerous than cars–keep thinking that if it makes you fell better. But to my engineering eye sitting on the outside of the vehicle does seem to suggest otherwise.

#17
p11:35 pm, 17 Apr 14

davo101 said :

Show me a motor bike equipped with air bags, seat belts and stability control then I might agree with you.

Can’t say I’ve seen a bike with a seat belt, but I know people with airbag systems, and people with bikes with ABS brakes and traction control, smarty pants.

#18
SheepGroper2:17 pm, 17 Apr 14

watto23 said :

Actually motorcycle riders are probably safer drivers, because you do go through the extra training and made to realise on a bike if you tailgate you die. OK there are many bad bike riders, just like bad car drivers, but in general the bike riders are better drivers than car drivers overall IMO.

So is there any actual information available about this, or is it just the Kruger Dunning effect?

With a short search it appears the best way to avoid an untimely death is to be female, http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/970540FBE241B359CA257410000FBB30?opendocument

As far as car vs motorbike stats go “Australian rate of motorcyclist deaths is approximately 30 times the rate for car occupants. The corresponding rate for a serious injury is approximately 41 times” which indicates to me that opinions on the mad road skillz of motorcyclists don’t stop them from being landfill at greater rates, either motorcyclists seriously overestimate their competence or the dangers inherent in riding far overweigh skill. Or is there some skewing of data, ie that most motorcyclists are young and male hence tend to ride foolishly?

#19
Roundhead895:17 pm, 17 Apr 14

But don’t motorbikes pay parking fees as well?

#20
Tenpoints5:31 pm, 17 Apr 14

Roundhead89 said :

But don’t motorbikes pay parking fees as well?

Motorcycles generally do not pay parking fees as long as they park in motorcycle specific spots. In practice these can be hard to come by.Here’s some alternatives:

*If you park a motorcycle in any car sized space under paid parking arrangements, you will probably get fined if you don’t display a ticket somewhere on your bike (where to put that ticket is a whole other kettle of fish).

*If you park your motorcycle in a multistory park with boom gates you can use your own moral compass and park in one of the unusable (for cars) painted areas, then generally perform a creative exit by “getting around” the boom gates. I cannot say that any car park proprietors would officially endorse this behaviour.

*If you park your motorcycle on the foot path you will probably get a fine for parking in a built up area (except in Melbourne).

Motorcycling and parking availability is sufficiently “niche” that a small surge in popularity i.e. on sunny warm days the parking can get maxed out and then the last few riders have to risk a fine by parking on the footpath or y’know, ‘pay for a car spot’ something that riders are generally loathe to do.

#21
Pork Hunt5:43 pm, 17 Apr 14

Gee, thanks for that Mr/Ms Moderator, I didn’t realise my comment re Innovation’s comment was so far off the mark as to not being printable…

#22
Sandman6:31 pm, 17 Apr 14

Roundhead89 said :

But don’t motorbikes pay parking fees as well?

Not if they’re parked in the free Motorcycle parking. They’re also allowed to use the bus lanes.

#23
Canfan6:49 pm, 17 Apr 14

I haven’t moderated anything off from you on this one and can’t find anything. Can you repost?

#24
Pork Hunt8:22 pm, 17 Apr 14

Innovation said :

I’m surprised that, in this electronic era, no-one’s pointed out that motorcyclists could easily be charged for parking also. Number plates can be recorded and checked without having to pay for tickets. What would be an appropriate proportion of $11 per day?

Gee, thanks for that Innovation. In my mind you are now in the same category as the people who invented speed humps, death duties and the parking meter itself.
Better get onto that rego for bicycles bandwagon ASAP…

#25
Innovation6:32 am, 18 Apr 14

Pork Hunt said :

Innovation said :

I’m surprised that, in this electronic era, no-one’s pointed out that motorcyclists could easily be charged for parking also. Number plates can be recorded and checked without having to pay for tickets. What would be an appropriate proportion of $11 per day?

Gee, thanks for that Innovation. In my mind you are now in the same category as the people who invented speed humps, death duties and the parking meter itself.
Better get onto that rego for bicycles bandwagon ASAP…

Ah I see what you did there. You’re assuming that I condoned parking fees for bikes rather than my just noting the inevitability of another revenue stream for Government….

#26
Pork Hunt7:35 am, 18 Apr 14

Innovation said :

Pork Hunt said :

Innovation said :

I’m surprised that, in this electronic era, no-one’s pointed out that motorcyclists could easily be charged for parking also. Number plates can be recorded and checked without having to pay for tickets. What would be an appropriate proportion of $11 per day?

Gee, thanks for that Innovation. In my mind you are now in the same category as the people who invented speed humps, death duties and the parking meter itself.
Better get onto that rego for bicycles bandwagon ASAP…

Ah I see what you did there. You’re assuming that I condoned parking fees for bikes rather than my just noting the inevitability of another revenue stream for Government….

There are reasons other than parking revenue that motorbikes currently have free parking throughout Australia.

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