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Katy wants a star for effort

By 14 December 2012 22

The ABC has some first rate glitter rolling by Chief Minister Gallagher after her data manipulating staff at the health directorate failed to meet their targets for emergency room performance:

But Chief Minister Katy Gallagher believes the so-called reward money will be made available.

“They’ve actually looked at what we are doing to address the timeliness, the changes we are putting in place. They’ve been well aware of the issues around the emergency department this year and they have said that they will work with us,” she said.

Ms Gallagher says the data tampering scandal at the Canberra Hospital has hampered the Government’s efforts to meet the targets.

A senior executive at the hospital manipulated emergency department waiting time figures between 2009 and 20012 to make them more favourable.

Ms Gallagher says the incorrect data disrupted the strategies to reduce waiting times.

UPDATE 14/12/12 11:54: Jeremy Hanson has issued a statement:

“Ultimately what we have seen under this government is a serious deterioration in the performance of our Emergency Departments in terms of timeliness. When ACT Labor took over the results were good, now 11 years down the track they are not.

“Katy Gallagher is there to provide a very important service to the community and I am concerned that she is not doing this effectively, there are a huge number of people often in pain and with complicated clinical issues that need attention waiting in our Emergency Departments, and over 90 per cent of these people are waiting over fourteen hours.

“When this issue first emerged Katy Gallagher said the doctored data had no impact on the performance of the Emergency Departments timeliness, now we hear her saying that it is because of the doctored data that patients are not being seen on time, which version is the truth?

“The reality is that in the Canberra Hospital Emergency Department you will wait longer than just about anywhere in the country to be admitted to hospital.”

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22 Responses to Katy wants a star for effort
#1
miz9:11 am, 15 Dec 12

I wonder if the waiting time stats include those who leave before being seen (like my daughter did after waiting 6 hours, whilst still suffering severe abdominal pain)?

#2
knuckles9:34 am, 15 Dec 12

miz said :

I wonder if the waiting time stats include those who leave before being seen (like my daughter did after waiting 6 hours, whilst still suffering severe abdominal pain)?

Obviously wasn’t an emergency if she couldn’t be arsed waiting and she shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

#3
Pork Hunt9:45 am, 15 Dec 12

miz said :

I wonder if the waiting time stats include those who leave before being seen (like my daughter did after waiting 6 hours, whilst still suffering severe abdominal pain)?

How can it?

#4
PantsMan9:49 am, 15 Dec 12

Well, Kate Lundy was only too happy to give money to the ACT after the election on the condition that we voted Labor. I’m sure Federal Labor scum will look after Territory Labor scum in this instance also.

#5
460cixy10:01 am, 15 Dec 12

Speaking of waiting times . A friend of mine lost part of his finger at work and went to Calvery they cleaned it up and told him to go to Woden he went there for 3 days in a row before they could fix it and that only took 15 mins to cut it off neat and stitch it up He jokes that it would have been faster to get on a plane and go os get it fixed and come back

#6
rosscoact10:14 am, 15 Dec 12

460cixy said :

Speaking of waiting times . A friend of mine lost part of his finger at work and went to Calvery they cleaned it up and told him to go to Woden he went there for 3 days in a row before they could fix it and that only took 15 mins to cut it off neat and stitch it up

He jokes that it would have been faster to get on a plane and go os get it fixed and come back

Really? Alternatively he could have visited a doctor? Definitely doen’t constitute an emergency after 3 days

#7
460cixy10:50 am, 15 Dec 12

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

Speaking of waiting times . A friend of mine lost part of his finger at work and went to Calvery they cleaned it up and told him to go to Woden he went there for 3 days in a row before they could fix it and that only took 15 mins to cut it off neat and stitch it up

He jokes that it would have been faster to get on a plane and go os get it fixed and come back

Really? Alternatively he could have visited a doctor? Definitely doen’t constitute an emergency after 3 days

Not so sure you gp would be equipped to deal with an amputation as that was the reason Calvery turned him away in the first place and sent him to Woden I’m sure if a gp could of done it Calvery would of told him to go to his gp

#8
Tetranitrate11:38 am, 15 Dec 12

knuckles said :

miz said :

I wonder if the waiting time stats include those who leave before being seen (like my daughter did after waiting 6 hours, whilst still suffering severe abdominal pain)?

Obviously wasn’t an emergency if she couldn’t be arsed waiting and she shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

You wouldn’t know until it’s been checked.
It could just be a bug and inflammation, could be constipation (which can be serious). Could be appendicitis.

#9
knuckles12:03 pm, 15 Dec 12

Tetranitrate said :

knuckles said :

miz said :

I wonder if the waiting time stats include those who leave before being seen (like my daughter did after waiting 6 hours, whilst still suffering severe abdominal pain)?

Obviously wasn’t an emergency if she couldn’t be arsed waiting and she shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

You wouldn’t know until it’s been checked.
It could just be a bug and inflammation, could be constipation (which can be serious). Could be appendicitis.

The patient would have been assessed by the triage nurse when she first arrived. If she has been waiting for 6 hours it obviously wasn’t an emergency and could/should have been treated elsewhere.
The patient’s mother hasn’t informed us of any negative outcomes related to her daughter’s abdominal pain, only complaining that she had to wait for so long she got sick of it and left.

#10
460cixy12:04 pm, 15 Dec 12

I had an appendicitis gp sent me to hospital they did a few tests then waited for it to bust before operating then got staph I was there for nearly 3 weeks and have scars that would make a chainsaw accident look pretty good work there from Calvery I hate that shit hole with a passion

#11
rosscoact12:50 pm, 15 Dec 12

460cixy said :

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

Speaking of waiting times . A friend of mine lost part of his finger at work and went to Calvery they cleaned it up and told him to go to Woden he went there for 3 days in a row before they could fix it and that only took 15 mins to cut it off neat and stitch it up

He jokes that it would have been faster to get on a plane and go os get it fixed and come back

Really? Alternatively he could have visited a doctor? Definitely doen’t constitute an emergency after 3 days

Not so sure you gp would be equipped to deal with an amputation as that was the reason Calvery turned him away in the first place and sent him to Woden I’m sure if a gp could of done it Calvery would of told him to go to his gp

I repeat, after three days it is not an emergency by any definition.

#12
Tetranitrate1:04 pm, 15 Dec 12

knuckles said :

Tetranitrate said :

knuckles said :

miz said :

I wonder if the waiting time stats include those who leave before being seen (like my daughter did after waiting 6 hours, whilst still suffering severe abdominal pain)?

Obviously wasn’t an emergency if she couldn’t be arsed waiting and she shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

You wouldn’t know until it’s been checked.
It could just be a bug and inflammation, could be constipation (which can be serious). Could be appendicitis.

The patient would have been assessed by the triage nurse when she first arrived. If she has been waiting for 6 hours it obviously wasn’t an emergency and could/should have been treated elsewhere.
The patient’s mother hasn’t informed us of any negative outcomes related to her daughter’s abdominal pain, only complaining that she had to wait for so long she got sick of it and left.

Yes I’m aware it was probably okay in this case. To say “The patient would have been assessed by the triage nurse when she first arrived.” however is an exercise in delusion, as came up in another thread.

http://the-riotact.com/with-the-election-out-of-the-way-we-can-tell-you-just-how-bad-the-hospital-is/89801

#13
Tetranitrate1:08 pm, 15 Dec 12

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

Speaking of waiting times . A friend of mine lost part of his finger at work and went to Calvery they cleaned it up and told him to go to Woden he went there for 3 days in a row before they could fix it and that only took 15 mins to cut it off neat and stitch it up

He jokes that it would have been faster to get on a plane and go os get it fixed and come back

Really? Alternatively he could have visited a doctor? Definitely doen’t constitute an emergency after 3 days

Not so sure you gp would be equipped to deal with an amputation as that was the reason Calvery turned him away in the first place and sent him to Woden I’m sure if a gp could of done it Calvery would of told him to go to his gp

I repeat, after three days it is not an emergency by any definition.

So what are they actually meant to do?
GP say go to hospital.
Calvary says go to Canberra Hospital.
“HURR NOT AN EMERGENCY U SHUUDNT BEE HERE!”.

I mean really, where the hell are they actually meant to go?
Beg for a referral from the GP and pray the wound doesn’t get infected during the intervening week or three?

#14
bundah1:21 pm, 15 Dec 12

If there is insufficient money in the ACT budget to increase doctor and nursing staff numbers to effectively reduce waiting times then i’m ok with paying more tax if that’s what it takes to fix this long term problem.

#15
Tetranitrate1:34 pm, 15 Dec 12

bundah said :

If there is insufficient money in the ACT budget to increase doctor and nursing staff numbers to effectively reduce waiting times then i’m ok with paying more tax if that’s what it takes to fix this long term problem.

Yep, it’s be nice if they scrapped all the ridiculous incentives for (mostly worthless) private health insurance and just raised the medicare levy by half a percent.

#16
Thumper1:58 pm, 15 Dec 12

Ms Gallagher says the incorrect data disrupted the strategies to reduce waiting times.

You really couldn’t make this crap up if you tried.

#17
DrKoresh2:38 pm, 15 Dec 12

Tetranitrate said :

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

Speaking of waiting times . A friend of mine lost part of his finger at work and went to Calvery they cleaned it up and told him to go to Woden he went there for 3 days in a row before they could fix it and that only took 15 mins to cut it off neat and stitch it up

He jokes that it would have been faster to get on a plane and go os get it fixed and come back

Really? Alternatively he could have visited a doctor? Definitely doen’t constitute an emergency after 3 days

Not so sure you gp would be equipped to deal with an amputation as that was the reason Calvery turned him away in the first place and sent him to Woden I’m sure if a gp could of done it Calvery would of told him to go to his gp

I repeat, after three days it is not an emergency by any definition.

So what are they actually meant to do?
GP say go to hospital.
Calvary says go to Canberra Hospital.
“HURR NOT AN EMERGENCY U SHUUDNT BEE HERE!”.

I mean really, where the hell are they actually meant to go?
Beg for a referral from the GP and pray the wound doesn’t get infected during the intervening week or three?

I’ve got to agree, if getting an extremity re-attached is not an emergency then I don’t know what is. Rosco’s reaction is plain ridiculous. What channels would you suggest for getting a finger re-attached, if you think this case was such an unnecessary burden on the ED? Harden up and get used to having 9 and a half fingers? You’re either a troll or an idiot.

#18
rosscoact3:00 pm, 15 Dec 12

DrKoresh said :

Tetranitrate said :

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

Speaking of waiting times . A friend of mine lost part of his finger at work and went to Calvery they cleaned it up and told him to go to Woden he went there for 3 days in a row before they could fix it and that only took 15 mins to cut it off neat and stitch it up

He jokes that it would have been faster to get on a plane and go os get it fixed and come back

Really? Alternatively he could have visited a doctor? Definitely doen’t constitute an emergency after 3 days

Not so sure you gp would be equipped to deal with an amputation as that was the reason Calvery turned him away in the first place and sent him to Woden I’m sure if a gp could of done it Calvery would of told him to go to his gp

I repeat, after three days it is not an emergency by any definition.

So what are they actually meant to do?
GP say go to hospital.
Calvary says go to Canberra Hospital.
“HURR NOT AN EMERGENCY U SHUUDNT BEE HERE!”.

I mean really, where the hell are they actually meant to go?
Beg for a referral from the GP and pray the wound doesn’t get infected during the intervening week or three?

I’ve got to agree, if getting an extremity re-attached is not an emergency then I don’t know what is. Rosco’s reaction is plain ridiculous. What channels would you suggest for getting a finger re-attached, if you think this case was such an unnecessary burden on the ED? Harden up and get used to having 9 and a half fingers? You’re either a troll or an idiot.

Oh dear.

#19
what_the3:39 pm, 15 Dec 12

DrKoresh said :

Tetranitrate said :

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

rosscoact said :

460cixy said :

Speaking of waiting times . A friend of mine lost part of his finger at work and went to Calvery they cleaned it up and told him to go to Woden he went there for 3 days in a row before they could fix it and that only took 15 mins to cut it off neat and stitch it up

He jokes that it would have been faster to get on a plane and go os get it fixed and come back

Really? Alternatively he could have visited a doctor? Definitely doen’t constitute an emergency after 3 days

Not so sure you gp would be equipped to deal with an amputation as that was the reason Calvery turned him away in the first place and sent him to Woden I’m sure if a gp could of done it Calvery would of told him to go to his gp

I repeat, after three days it is not an emergency by any definition.

So what are they actually meant to do?
GP say go to hospital.
Calvary says go to Canberra Hospital.
“HURR NOT AN EMERGENCY U SHUUDNT BEE HERE!”.

I mean really, where the hell are they actually meant to go?
Beg for a referral from the GP and pray the wound doesn’t get infected during the intervening week or three?

I’ve got to agree, if getting an extremity re-attached is not an emergency then I don’t know what is. Rosco’s reaction is plain ridiculous. What channels would you suggest for getting a finger re-attached, if you think this case was such an unnecessary burden on the ED? Harden up and get used to having 9 and a half fingers? You’re either a troll or an idiot.

The walk-in medical centre at the top of belconnen. I went there when I broke my finger with a hammer and smashed the nail off. That’s one place I know of.

#20
Tetranitrate4:22 pm, 15 Dec 12

what_the said :

The walk-in medical centre at the top of belconnen. I went there when I broke my finger with a hammer and smashed the nail off. That’s one place I know of.

They’d already been referred to hospital by their GP. The place you’re talking about isn’t some special ‘walk in center’ with special facilities, it’s just a GP practice that doesn’t book appointments. (plus they have a dentist and chemist and stuff)

#21
miz4:26 pm, 15 Dec 12

Just for info (seeing as some posters have expressed doubt as to why she presented to emergency), first my daughter’s boyfriend took her to the walk in centre. They referred her up to emergency. As already stated, she finally left without knowing the cause of the abdominal pain – possible ectopic pregnancy, possible appendicitis. She could hardly walk. Sure, she could simply have been constipation, but similarly, she could have had a twisted bowel, ectopic pregnancy, appendicitis. In the end, TCH gave her enough strong pain medication in the waiting room for her to be able to walk out of there after six hours. We tried to get her into a GP next day, but there were nix appointments available. She was reluctant to return to emergency as she had ‘got the message’ that it would be another 6 hour wait- she preferred to ‘drug up’ and promised me she would ring an ambo if she needed to. Lucky for her, her symptoms settled two days later, but how on earth could this be known on the night she presented to the hospital? We still don’t know the cause of her symptoms and are anxious about a recurrence. Surely in a country like Australia things should be better than this.
If you watched ’24 hours in emergency’ on SBS, which is a live doco from UK, you would see that they are doing way better in the UK than we do here.

#22
460cixy8:43 pm, 15 Dec 12

The only reasion it took 15 mins to fix old mates finger was because the boat had well and truly sailed on trying to re attach it in the first hour of it being removed

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