Kidnapping in Theodore

By 16 June, 2011 25

ACT Policing is seeking the assistance of the public in its investigation into the alleged abduction of a 16-year-old Theodore girl, who was reported to have been forced into the back seat of a vehicle by a man, taken to an unidentified house in Tuggeranong, but later escaped.

The incident occurred around 9.25am on Tuesday (June 14), when the victim, wearing black tracksuit pants and a red top, was waiting at a bus stop in Theodore. A vehicle described as an older model, dark green-coloured Holden or Ford sedan stopped alongside her, a man got out and the victim was forced into the back seat. She was driven for a short time to a house, taken inside but managed to escape.

She fled the house, running along paths in the Calwell, Chisholm, Richardson and Theodore areas until reaching her home.

The offender is described as aged in his late 20s, about 5’10”-6’ tall (178-183cm), having a stocky build, slightly tanned skin, a beard and sideburns. He was wearing a black, hooded jumper and blue adidas tracksuit pants with white stripes down the side.

Police are appealing for anyone who may have witnessed the incident and may have seen the girl, wearing black tracksuit pants and a red top, walking along pathways in the Chisholm or Richardson area, near the Calwell shops or in area of Theodore on Tuesday. Anyone with information which could assist the police investigation should contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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25 Responses to Kidnapping in Theodore
#1
The Frots2:20 pm, 16 Jun 11

Ahhhhh………………..okay………………………

If true, they have to get this bastard. But, is it me or is there something else about this story………………….?

#2
aceofspades2:30 pm, 16 Jun 11

So she does not know were she escaped from, WTF!!!

#3
The Frots2:37 pm, 16 Jun 11

aceofspades said :

So she does not know were she escaped from, WTF!!!

Yeah……………………………

#4
androo2:52 pm, 16 Jun 11

aceofspades said :

So she does not know were she escaped from, WTF!!!

If you were running to get away from this creep, would you stop to take note of exactly where you were? My hunch is she ran a few blocks before figuring out where she was.

#5
Chop713:04 pm, 16 Jun 11

Is it school holidays?

#6
Ate3:08 pm, 16 Jun 11

Certainly smells funny to me. Surely you would have taken notice of a street sign or buildings close by.

On saying that if this is true I hope she is ok and they catch this prick.

#7
Watson3:52 pm, 16 Jun 11

From reading the MR, I think that they have a good idea which area it was in, but it’s somewhat irrelevant to their call for witnesses. And if it were me, I would not stop to check house numbers, street signs or landmarks in a situation like that either. She would’ve been in shock and it’s lucky she managed to find her way home.

Also, in the burbs everything looks the same to me. There’s hardly any landmarks unless you’re close to a town centre. Houses, streets, parks, they all look very similar whereever you go. That’s Canberra for you…

Now, remind me to book my daughter in for those self-defence classes!

#8
Disinformation4:09 pm, 16 Jun 11

This reminds me of the other incidence lately where the young girl “Woke up on a park bench”.

I’m betting that we’ll hear no more of this and nobody will ever be caught.
Based largely on my expectation that there has been no crime committed.
Anyone in Tuggeranong can general orientation where they are from the skyline.
Does she really expect us to believe that she’s one of the only 16 year olds in Canberra who doesn’t have a mobile phone to call for assistance on? If you were a kidnapper, would you grab someone expecting them NOT to have a mobile? Big huge logical holes in everything going on here. More than a little suspicious….

#9
Boring_Name5:21 pm, 16 Jun 11

I have to admit that there is something wrong with this scenario, and not just because of the location.

I’m not a very good armchair detective, but it sounds more like the police are trying to validate the girl’s story, rather than discover anything.

#10
creative_canberran5:27 pm, 16 Jun 11

I’m going to pose a hypothetical, given that at 9:25am during school term, she should have been in class.
She decided that rather than sit through a boring class, she would go somewhere else. Perhaps to BF’s place, perhaps just to the shops? Either way, she wasn’t where she was suppose to be.
Asked by parents or school where she was, she gives this an excuse thinking nothing more will happen. Parents or school call police and the story stays or she gets in trouble?

Let’s be honest, the facts don’t fit.
To run though Calwell, Chisholm, Richardson and Theodore, you’d need to go in a circle almost, a very indirect route. Also, to run though all those suburbs, you would need to have chosen to bypass any number of local shops and pay phones where police could be called.

#11
dixyland8:02 pm, 16 Jun 11

In regards to the time, I’m supposing she’s a college student and didn’t have a class scheduled until after then.

#12
scorpio638:45 pm, 16 Jun 11

Disinformation: there is (1) the age/mindset/headspace factor of a 16 year old (eg non-observant most of the time when waiting for a bus, plus most wear ear plugs listening to music and their mobiles are in their bags not pockets (2) the element of surprise and quick act catches them out, (3) if the guy was strong at any age, dragging a teenager or pushing he/she into a vehicle close by is quite easy, (4) he could have held a knife and the girl on Tuesday probably had the mentality that it was better to succumb to his demands (an assault under the Theodore bridge near the shops to an 11 year old girl by a male adult threatening with a knife produced a similar response) a few years ago, to date non-apprehended.

I taught my teenagers the following regardless of the fear that a perpetrator will sue the victim;

. eye gouge using one’s middle finger if caught in the above situation (if the perpetrator is not armed)

. My daughter kept an impulse can without the lid, sitting on top of her other items in her handbag on weekends, and on top of her books in her school bag with the zip half open. Mobile in her pocket.

. Carry a whistle in the pocket (yes, both kids had them, although my son when young had it in his school bag. There are now kids and adult safety whistles on the market here and in the U.S.

. Teach your kids that when an adult or older teenager is approaching them or has alighted from a vehicle, approaching, walk away quickly before they reach your kid, at the same time, showing the mobile in their hand. (I was approached 5 years ago by three adults in their late twenties and one in his thirties in a vehicle with NSW rego while jogging at 7pm with my collie dog in a quiet area). I learned my lesson not to jog at night. When I reached a house up further with my mobile to my ear, the three idiots drove out of tuggeranong up the highway.

. A beautiful girl I had grown up with was murdered at 18 yrs after a knife was stuck to her neck forcing her into a vehicle by 5 others. Instead of fighting in the carpark there and then, she gave in, which cost her torture and her life. Fighting an abductor in public, while trying to seek assistance, is a great deal easier than being trapped away from the public.

My kids were taught these stories before starting to catch buses.

I have had friends who have totally wrapped their kids in cotton wool, many do not educate their kids about the hundreds of psychopaths (quite a few on bike tracks striking regularly), the psychopaths (some accompanied by women) awaiting their opportunity to abduct girls and boys (gender not an issue) with psychopaths.

A simple “dont talk to strangers” does not cut it today for safety with kids.

Scenarios via education are the key.

#13
Watson8:59 pm, 16 Jun 11

scorpio63 said :

I have had friends who have totally wrapped their kids in cotton wool, many do not educate their kids about the hundreds of psychopaths (quite a few on bike tracks striking regularly), the psychopaths (some accompanied by women) awaiting their opportunity to abduct girls and boys (gender not an issue) with psychopaths.

A simple “dont talk to strangers” does not cut it today for safety with kids.

Scenarios via education are the key.

While I agree that teaching your kids some safety and self defence skills never goes astray… “hundreds” of psychopaths??? Where do you live?

#14
chewy1410:44 pm, 16 Jun 11

Scorpion,
That’s some pretty paranoid s**t.
I’m all for teaching kids about personal safety but turning into Sarah Connor is probably a bit over the top.

#15
Stevian8:28 am, 17 Jun 11

chewy14 said :

Scorpion,
That’s some pretty paranoid s**t.
I’m all for teaching kids about personal safety but turning into Sarah Connor is probably a bit over the top.

Ditto.

That comment about “hundreds of psychopaths” is totally divorced from reality. In most cases of assault, physical and sexual, the perpetrator is known to the victim. You are more likely to be attacked by a friend rather than a stranger.

#16
Calamity9:11 am, 17 Jun 11

scorpio63 said :

Disinformation: there is (1) the age/mindset/headspace factor of a 16 year old (eg non-observant most of the time when waiting for a bus, plus most wear ear plugs listening to music and their mobiles are in their bags not pockets (2) the element of surprise and quick act catches them out, (3) if the guy was strong at any age, dragging a teenager or pushing he/she into a vehicle close by is quite easy, (4) he could have held a knife and the girl on Tuesday probably had the mentality that it was better to succumb to his demands (an assault under the Theodore bridge near the shops to an 11 year old girl by a male adult threatening with a knife produced a similar response) a few years ago, to date non-apprehended.

I taught my teenagers the following regardless of the fear that a perpetrator will sue the victim;

. eye gouge using one’s middle finger if caught in the above situation (if the perpetrator is not armed)

. My daughter kept an impulse can without the lid, sitting on top of her other items in her handbag on weekends, and on top of her books in her school bag with the zip half open. Mobile in her pocket.

. Carry a whistle in the pocket (yes, both kids had them, although my son when young had it in his school bag. There are now kids and adult safety whistles on the market here and in the U.S.

. Teach your kids that when an adult or older teenager is approaching them or has alighted from a vehicle, approaching, walk away quickly before they reach your kid, at the same time, showing the mobile in their hand. (I was approached 5 years ago by three adults in their late twenties and one in his thirties in a vehicle with NSW rego while jogging at 7pm with my collie dog in a quiet area). I learned my lesson not to jog at night. When I reached a house up further with my mobile to my ear, the three idiots drove out of tuggeranong up the highway.

. A beautiful girl I had grown up with was murdered at 18 yrs after a knife was stuck to her neck forcing her into a vehicle by 5 others. Instead of fighting in the carpark there and then, she gave in, which cost her torture and her life. Fighting an abductor in public, while trying to seek assistance, is a great deal easier than being trapped away from the public.

My kids were taught these stories before starting to catch buses.

I have had friends who have totally wrapped their kids in cotton wool, many do not educate their kids about the hundreds of psychopaths (quite a few on bike tracks striking regularly), the psychopaths (some accompanied by women) awaiting their opportunity to abduct girls and boys (gender not an issue) with psychopaths.

A simple “dont talk to strangers” does not cut it today for safety with kids.

Scenarios via education are the key.

That is very intense, but I’ve always thought along the same lines i.e. Fighting attackers off immediately whilst still in public place could well be your last chance to get out of the situation unharmed.

As a young lady (Oooh!) I do get a bit paranoid whenever I’m walking on my own in a quiet area – day or night. I like your impulse spray can trick! Might take that one…. Ta!

Past that, I took a few tae kwon do lessons when I was little and the one thing that has stuck with me since then: Grab. Twist. Pull. ;)

#17
aceofspades9:37 am, 17 Jun 11

Yes Officer, I just asked this nice young girl what the time was when she gouged my eye out with her middle finger, kicked me in the balls, sprayed me with impulse and ran away blowing a whistle and screaming “rape…murder!!!” over and over again into her mobile phone.

#18
Stevian11:05 am, 17 Jun 11

aceofspades said :

Yes Officer, I just asked this nice young girl what the time was when she gouged my eye out with her middle finger, kicked me in the balls, sprayed me with impulse and ran away blowing a whistle and screaming “rape…murder!!!” over and over again into her mobile phone.

At least one other person sees the logical result of Scopios ridiculous paranoia.

#19
Watson11:58 am, 17 Jun 11

Stevian said :

aceofspades said :

Yes Officer, I just asked this nice young girl what the time was when she gouged my eye out with her middle finger, kicked me in the balls, sprayed me with impulse and ran away blowing a whistle and screaming “rape…murder!!!” over and over again into her mobile phone.

At least one other person sees the logical result of Scopios ridiculous paranoia.

I don’t just worry about innocent bystanders. I also worry about the effect of a constant fight or flight impulse on these girls’ mental health!

I did use to have a sample-sized bottle of deodorant in my handbag when I used to hitchike a lot when I was young.

#20
aceofspades1:27 pm, 17 Jun 11

Watson said :

Stevian said :

aceofspades said :

Yes Officer, I just asked this nice young girl what the time was when she gouged my eye out with her middle finger, kicked me in the balls, sprayed me with impulse and ran away blowing a whistle and screaming “rape…murder!!!” over and over again into her mobile phone.

At least one other person sees the logical result of Scopios ridiculous paranoia.

I don’t just worry about innocent bystanders. I also worry about the effect of a constant fight or flight impulse on these girls’ mental health!

I did use to have a sample-sized bottle of deodorant in my handbag when I used to hitchike a lot when I was young.

Nothing worse than being raped by somebody that smells bad.

#21
The Frots2:05 pm, 17 Jun 11

Calamity said :

scorpio63 said :

Disinformation: there is (1) the age/mindset/headspace factor of a 16 year old (eg non-observant most of the time when waiting for a bus, plus most wear ear plugs listening to music and their mobiles are in their bags not pockets (2) the element of surprise and quick act catches them out, (3) if the guy was strong at any age, dragging a teenager or pushing he/she into a vehicle close by is quite easy, (4) he could have held a knife and the girl on Tuesday probably had the mentality that it was better to succumb to his demands (an assault under the Theodore bridge near the shops to an 11 year old girl by a male adult threatening with a knife produced a similar response) a few years ago, to date non-apprehended.

I taught my teenagers the following regardless of the fear that a perpetrator will sue the victim;

. eye gouge using one’s middle finger if caught in the above situation (if the perpetrator is not armed)

. My daughter kept an impulse can without the lid, sitting on top of her other items in her handbag on weekends, and on top of her books in her school bag with the zip half open. Mobile in her pocket.

. Carry a whistle in the pocket (yes, both kids had them, although my son when young had it in his school bag. There are now kids and adult safety whistles on the market here and in the U.S.

. Teach your kids that when an adult or older teenager is approaching them or has alighted from a vehicle, approaching, walk away quickly before they reach your kid, at the same time, showing the mobile in their hand. (I was approached 5 years ago by three adults in their late twenties and one in his thirties in a vehicle with NSW rego while jogging at 7pm with my collie dog in a quiet area). I learned my lesson not to jog at night. When I reached a house up further with my mobile to my ear, the three idiots drove out of tuggeranong up the highway.

. A beautiful girl I had grown up with was murdered at 18 yrs after a knife was stuck to her neck forcing her into a vehicle by 5 others. Instead of fighting in the carpark there and then, she gave in, which cost her torture and her life. Fighting an abductor in public, while trying to seek assistance, is a great deal easier than being trapped away from the public.

My kids were taught these stories before starting to catch buses.

I have had friends who have totally wrapped their kids in cotton wool, many do not educate their kids about the hundreds of psychopaths (quite a few on bike tracks striking regularly), the psychopaths (some accompanied by women) awaiting their opportunity to abduct girls and boys (gender not an issue) with psychopaths.

A simple “dont talk to strangers” does not cut it today for safety with kids.

Scenarios via education are the key.

That is very intense, but I’ve always thought along the same lines i.e. Fighting attackers off immediately whilst still in public place could well be your last chance to get out of the situation unharmed.

As a young lady (Oooh!) I do get a bit paranoid whenever I’m walking on my own in a quiet area – day or night. I like your impulse spray can trick! Might take that one…. Ta!

Past that, I took a few tae kwon do lessons when I was little and the one thing that has stuck with me since then: Grab. Twist. Pull. ;)

You will always get conflicting information on that – but I agree with you. Fight…….fight…………and keep fighting until either you have nothing left – or he doesn’t. Or of course, he’s dead!

The old adage of remaining calm, let it happen and then get over it was probably developed by men! The reality is you don’t know what will happen – it may be a brutal sexual assault, a killing or of course both. But the more noise you make, the more you fight back (if you are able) the harder these swine have to work. And generally they are far too cowardly to be ‘out in the open’ with you fighting back.

#22
Postalgeek2:08 pm, 17 Jun 11

Well said scorpio, and I agree with you about the psychopaths. Nothing like a riot to reveal the true nature of people.

#23
Watson2:25 pm, 17 Jun 11

aceofspades said :

I did use to have a sample-sized bottle of deodorant in my handbag when I used to hitchike a lot when I was young.

Nothing worse than being raped by somebody that smells bad.

lol! It was just cheaper than capsicum spray and probably effective for just long enough to either flee or kick him in the nuts. I never had to test that theory, thank god.

#24
Timberwolf659:10 am, 18 Jun 11

So you have all had this happen to you and know exactly how this sort of situation would affect you? Perhaps the girl was in shock after escaping and didn’t know where she was, perhaps the girl was one of the few teenagers that didn’t have a mobile phone…not all people can afford them or even want their kids having mobiles. If she was wagging and got caught, why would she head home?
If this was your kid I bet you wouldn’t be on here posting comments saying it’s all made up.
I know if I was running to get away from something I would not stop to write down street signs, I would just run.
I hope they catch the prick before something more serious happens.

#25
dundle5:15 pm, 20 Jun 11

Disinformation said :

Does she really expect us to believe that she’s one of the only 16 year olds in Canberra who doesn’t have a mobile phone to call for assistance on?

If you were a kidnapper, would you grab someone expecting them NOT to have a mobile?

Not going to comment on the story as a whole but your hypothesis doesn’t make much sense. Yes, most people have mobiles. Have muggings and kidnappings disappeared or even decreased since mobiles became popular? Have kidnappers given up completely, scared of my phones? I’m betting not…I don’t think it’s a factor. Most people have their phone in their bag and with the screen locked, grab someone fast enough and they’re not going to have a chance to get it out, place a call etc.

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