Lady Denman Lycra

By 13 November, 2010 107

To all the lycra clad cyclists [up to 20 of you] on Lady Denman Dr. at the dam wall 0600-0630 every blxxdy morning…..get off the narrow 70km/h road and ride on the taxpayer funded cycleway provided on your right and left! You might believe you’re an Olympian athlete in the making, but training for this can be done in a safer environment than a busy motorway where cars have to either brake suddenly, cross over double white lines, veer into oncoming traffic or just stop and abuse you for your inconsiderate behaviour.  All of this occurs at a time of day when into the rising sun you decide to ride a meter into in the vehicular lane, in non-reflective clothing, whilst a cycle lane is available….on Cotter Rd.

How can a person dob in bad behaviour by a cyclist, when you can’t stop and talk to them and they haven’t got an identifying mark? Should I do a citizen’s arrest????? Help someone before I commit cyclicide!

Anyone else feel like I do. I’m sure there are, all those traveling with me every morning. C’MON, speak up before we all end up doing 25km/h at the mercy of these temporary Australians.

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107 Responses to Lady Denman Lycra
#1
Grotto8:28 am, 13 Nov 10

I do think that cyclist have the right to be on the roads with cars. I do believe there are dangerous/stupid cyclists on the road as well as dangerous/stupid drivers.

I think that there needs to be some regulations put in place regarding cyclists using the public roads. If I am to drive my car on the road I need to be registered, is not possible for cyclists to be required to register their bike and display their rego number as well. The fee would be nominal and then drivers would be able to identify and report dangerous cyclists the same way cyclists are entitled to report on dangerous drivers.

Cyclists should be able to use roads but there needs to be equality for both parties.

#2
Jethro8:57 am, 13 Nov 10

I’m going to make me some popcorn.

#3
DeadlySchnauzer9:03 am, 13 Nov 10

Amen to that. If there’s one thing that really gets my goat its the lycra clad cyclists who believe that they have the same rights as a car, that the roads are as much theirs as the car drivers. Get over yourselves. You are much slower than a car. You are much squishier than a car. You belong on the side of the road (not in the middle of it), or on a cycle way.

#4
Deref9:13 am, 13 Nov 10

+1 What is it about some of these Lycra Louts that makes them think they’re the gods’ gift to the world?

Grow up and act responsibly.

#5
Punter9:15 am, 13 Nov 10

a big part of the problem is some drivers (not all) don’t recognise bicycles as other vehicles on the road and don’t realise their obligations to the bicycles with regard to road rules. Also, some bicycle riders (not all) don’t recognise themselves as road users and don’t realise their own obligations to the road rules. Until all road users understand and accept their obligations there will always be an ‘us and them’ mentality from both sides of the fence. Sadly though, this seems to be a pipe dream.

As for bicycles riding in a vehicle lane when there’s a cycle lane at the side of the road, rule 247 of the good ol’ Oz Road Rules applies: “The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same
direction as the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable to do so.” Does this fit your circumstances Wildturkeycanoe?

#6
nescius9:18 am, 13 Nov 10

There are so many whingers in this town, why don’t you leave earlier if you’re in such a hurry to get somewhere? Cyclists never give me a problem, I find it easy to see them and passing them safely never takes long at all, are your driving skills really that poor? The fact is that they are legally able to ride on the road, deal with it and get on with your life.

#7
semaj9:20 am, 13 Nov 10

So the cyclists forced you to drive dangerously and illegally did they? How exactly did they do this? Did one of them hold a gun to your head?

Here’s a tip for you: The only person responsible for what your car does is the person behind the wheel. Just because someone is moving slower than you doesn’t excuse dangerous driving on your part.

#8
nescius9:31 am, 13 Nov 10

Punter said :

As for bicycles riding in a vehicle lane when there’s a cycle lane at the side of the road, rule 247 of the good ol’ Oz Road Rules applies: “The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same
direction as the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable to do so.” Does this fit your circumstances Wildturkeycanoe?

I think that refers to on-road cycle lanes, the path around the lake is a shared path (pedestrians/cyclists/etc) not a cycle lane.

#9
Mr Gillespie9:38 am, 13 Nov 10

Pedal cyclists who ride their f**ken bikes on the roads are organ donors. Not just motorbike riders who can at least keep up with the traffic instead of slowing everyone down.

#10
chris8209:49 am, 13 Nov 10

Here I was hoping for pics of a Land Girl in a body suit.
But instead it’s another Driver v Cyclist thread.
Disappointed.

#11
Me no fry9:54 am, 13 Nov 10

Jethro said :

I’m going to make me some popcorn.

OK, you get the popcorn, I’ll grab a few beers (not too early, is it?)

#12
boo boo10:06 am, 13 Nov 10

I want to ride my bicycle
I want to ride my bike
I want to ride my bicycle
I want to ride it where I like.

Queen 1978.

#13
gasman10:07 am, 13 Nov 10

I think it says in the Bible somewhere that God created roads for cars only.

#14
Brianna10:07 am, 13 Nov 10

The ones who tick me off the most are the ones who use every type of path. They ride on the cycle path when it suits them, they ride ont he road but if they come to a red light, they move over and cross in the pedestrian lanes. I understand that many people want cyclists to pay for riding on the road when a great many of them already pay for their car rego. What I’d like to see if bicycles forcded to have an identification tag. A number plate. The don’t have to pay rego for it if they can prove they already have a registered vehicle in their name.

#15
Sgt.Bungers10:16 am, 13 Nov 10

Lamest, troll, ever.

But a troll’s gotta eat.

So you’re stuck behind a cyclist averaging 25km/h along the entire 8km stretch of Lady Denman Drive, from the CSIRO to Curtin… The trip will take you 19 minutes, instead of 7.

Do you really believe it’s worth a dramatic “veer” onto the wrong side of the road, or crossing double white lines, risking your life, the lives of the family in the car coming around the blind corner, to save yourself 12 minutes?

Hate to tell you this mate, 12 minutes of your life is worthless. Nobody is so important as to have the right to risk anyone else’s life under any circumstance, let alone trying to save a piddly 12 minutes.

If you really get so angry as to be prepared to risk lives under such meagre circumstances, then I urge you to stay off public roads in your motor vehicle before you kill someone. Circumstances which are even more meagre and pathetic when you consider that the chance of anyone being stuck behind a group of cyclists for the entire length of Lady Denman is slim to none… and you’ll most likely be able to safely go around the bicyclists within a minute or two.

May I suggest you leave 10 minutes earlier when utilising a public transport corridor. It is inevitable you will face delays of some sort on any given day.

#16
Fiona10:19 am, 13 Nov 10

The bike path is a bike path separate to the road, not a lane along that stretch, so that won’t apply there, Punter. Thx for the info though. My issue is with cyclists along the cotter rd between the parkway and Duffy, where there is a cycle lane and the cyclists often don’t use it. At least there’s two lanes there.

#17
fgzk10:34 am, 13 Nov 10

I blame the mully cup………………and people that cant drive a car. Soooo boring.

#18
WillowJim10:41 am, 13 Nov 10

These cyclists, you say, use that road from 6am to 6.30am. This is not peak hour. Nor are they breaking the law.

You need to get over yourself. Why do drivers get so annoyed when they spend 30 seconds longer on a trip than if they had the road to themselves?

#19
astrojax10:57 am, 13 Nov 10

DeadlySchnauzer said :

Amen to that. If there’s one thing that really gets my goat its the lycra clad cyclists who believe that they have the same rights as a car, …

um, they sort of, like, do…

Punter said :

As for bicycles riding in a vehicle lane when there’s a cycle lane at the side of the road, rule 247 of the good ol’ Oz Road Rules applies: “The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same
direction as the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable to do so.” Does this fit your circumstances Wildturkeycanoe?

i think these road rules mean the sort of cycle lane along northbourne, etc – a lane on the same roadway, not a dual-use pedestrian and cycle path in the general vicinity.

how’s the popcorn, jethro? buttery enough?

#20
dvaey11:03 am, 13 Nov 10

Punter said :

a big part of the problem is some drivers (not all) don’t recognise bicycles as other vehicles on the road and don’t realise their obligations to the bicycles with regard to road rules. Also, some bicycle riders (not all) don’t recognise themselves as road users and don’t realise their own obligations to the road rules.

This has just about hit the nail on the head. One issue you forgot to mention, is size difference. A lot of cyclists for some reason, consider theyre equal to a car (when it suits them, anyway). Car drivers are required to understand the road rules, because theyre in control of such a large dangerous object. Bicycle riders feel because their bike is much smaller, they dont need to understand or follow the same rules as larger vehicles, even when sharing the same space. Many years ago, there was a bicycle education centre, where you learnt these things the same way you learnt the road rules when driving a car, but sadly that centre closed and we now have a huge population riding 5kg bikes along-side 20-ton trucks, when they dont understand the most basic safety rules.

Punter said :

Until all road users understand and accept their obligations there will always be an ‘us and them’ mentality from both sides of the fence.

This has always been true of those who dont follow rules of society. Whether that be bushrangers who break the laws, dangerous drivers who break the law or dangerous cyclists who break the law. There will always be an element who for whatever reason, see themselves as above the laws the rest of society lives by. As mentioned in the first comment, the lack of any liability or responsibility, plays a big part in this, every road user is required to be responsible or be held accountable, except for cyclists.

#21
Pommy bastard11:07 am, 13 Nov 10

We need an “open season” on cyclists…

#22
vg11:32 am, 13 Nov 10

Lycra louts?

Someone needs to wash the sand out

#23
Tooks11:39 am, 13 Nov 10

Rabble rabble…should be registered…Rabble rabble…they don’t even pay rego…and so on.

#24
bloodnut12:19 pm, 13 Nov 10

wildturkeycanoe, cyclists are nice people – they just have an annoying habit. I liken them to your good mates who smoke cigarettes:

1. It’s a nasty habit that will likely get you killed.
2. Non-cyclists sharing public spaces with you find your habit selfish, annoying and rude.

I disagree with dvaey – its not a case of how well someone understands their ‘obligations of the road’, the simple rule of thumb is that unless you ride yourself, you despise cyclists for everything they are:

- the lycra outfits,
- the tendency to clog cafes during peak times,
- the clip-clop noises their stupid shoes make,
- their inability to effectively integrate with fast moving vehicles on the road.

These are not characteristics particular to ‘good’ or ‘bad’ cyclists – they are just intrinsically hateable things that all cyclists possess.

I try to be be the bigger person and remain patient with them in the hope they one day quit.

Disclaimer: I ride my bike slowly on footpaths. Often without a helmet. Sometimes I am intoxicated.

#25
Northbourne Ultimatu12:20 pm, 13 Nov 10

No wildturkeycanoe, I don’t feel like you. I know what the road rules are.

To add to Punter’s comment. The bicycle lane referred to in ARR 247 is defined in 153. It is a marked lane with a bicycle lane sign at the beginning. There are no bicycle lanes on Lady Denman Dr. The presence of a shared path (with kids in strollers and dogs on leads) near the road is unrelated.

As you point out, there is a cycle lane on Cotter Road and given that Lady Denman Drive leads to Cotter Road it’s quite possible that these cyclists were on their way to or from Cotter Road. Do you think car parks should be built at the start of those on-road cycle ways so that cyclists can get to them without getting in your way (for the 3.2 seconds and 60m it would take you to pass them (thanks wolfram alpha))?

Nothing you describe about the behaviour of the cyclists is even close to illegal. At worst it is inconsiderate, but it is debatable which of these two sets of law-abiding road users are really being more inconsiderate.

Given they are not breaking the law, your suggested citizen’s arrest might not work out too well for you. If each cyclist had a visible registration number, dobbing them in for such actions isn’t going to do anything. Probably about as much as dobbing in a driver who blocks access to a left turn slip lane because they didn’t stop close enough to the traffic lights. Sure it might annoy you, but the police don’t care.

Also reflective clothing doesn’t make cyclists any more visible in the situation you describe where they are riding into the sun. And just so you know – there are Olympic cyclists on the roads around Canberra, world champions too.

If you really think that cyclists should not be on the road, I encourage you to lobby for changes to the road rules.

#26
dvaey12:24 pm, 13 Nov 10

Tooks said :

Rabble rabble…should be registered…Rabble rabble…they don’t even pay rego…and so on.

Tooks, do you believe that rego is entirely about paying a fee, and not understand the fact that if a vehicle is registered, its operator can be held accountable?

why dont you pick out the actual points I raised..?

rabble rabble … should be accountable on public roads … rabble rabble … they dont even obey the laws … and so on

#27
Spideydog12:27 pm, 13 Nov 10

DeadlySchnauzer said :

Amen to that. If there’s one thing that really gets my goat its the lycra clad cyclists who believe that they have the same rights as a car, that the roads are as much theirs as the car drivers. Get over yourselves. You are much slower than a car. You are much squishier than a car. You belong on the side of the road (not in the middle of it), or on a cycle way.

Hmmmm, the law tends to think they have the same rights AND RESPONSIBILITIES. They have just as much right to be on the road as car users, but they also have the same responsibilities as vehicle users, which sadly quite often by some, they don’t follow the rules.

#28
Postalgeek12:28 pm, 13 Nov 10

Lol you can pick a bigot the moment the word ‘lyrca’ appears.

I think the real problem is that Kelloggs has been allowed to hand out too many drivers licenses in their cereal packets.

Learn to farking drive, you useless trolling twat.

#29
Ian12:31 pm, 13 Nov 10

Why get so agitated? So the trip takes a few minutes longer, big freaking whoop!

#30
boo boo1:17 pm, 13 Nov 10

All this talk of Lycra…

“Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin’ world go round
Get on your bikes and ride!”

Queen 1978

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