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Legalise Pot

By John Hargreaves - 24 July 2014 33

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I’m connected with a agency supporting people who are dealing with significant drug issues in their lives. But one of the the hidden issues around the use of so called illegal drugs is the application of some drugs for positive therapeutic use.

I speak of the application of marijuana for pain control in the terminal patients.

I can’t see what the objection is for the use of any drug if it is going to ease the exit of those facing the most terrifying of probabilities.

If some medico tells me that I have a limited time on this earth and tells me when I’m going out of the transit lounge, I will want to go with the least amount of trauma and pain.

Is it too much to ask that someone helps me to exit with a minimum of pain and distress? If I’m on the way out, where is the harm in my having a joint? Having a marijuana cookie? Who should care about this but me?

I’m not talking about helping me go but helping me how I go.

How about we stop pontificating about this stuff and legalise it for the terminally ill? Let them go, for God’s sake and let them go without enduring a pain filled last half hour…

I reckon that the Greens are odd people but in this case they are right. We have compassion for the living at times, we can have compassion for those left behind, how about some for the dying?

Anyone want to disagree with me? Let’s see…

What’s Your opinion?


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Garfield 11:24 am
24 Jul 14
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I’m sure I could disagree with you on many things John Hargreaves, but this isn’t one of them. We let people gradually kill themselves with alcohol and nicotine but we don’t let terminally ill people ease their suffering with marijuana.

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Bosworth 11:57 am
24 Jul 14
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I have the solution for ACT’s Budget concerns:

Legalise marijuana and tax the sh1t out of it.

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Antagonist 12:20 pm
24 Jul 14
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No disagreement here, Mr Hargreaves.

It has never ceased to amaze me that Ms Gallagher and co can look people in the eye and say no to medical marijuana. At the same time she would not bat an eyelid if prescribed ‘legal’ drugs that are derived from opium poppies grown in Tasmania. It is hypocrisy of the highest order!

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Conan of Cooma 12:21 pm
24 Jul 14
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Why just for terminally ill pain sufferers? I can’t see why it shouldn’t just be legalised. It’s safer than grog and smokes, and being stoned is much better than walking around in a socially acceptable prescription haze. I can’t count the amount of APS I see leaving my workplace of an afternoon that have issues driving over 10Kp/h.

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VYBerlinaV8_is_back 1:48 pm
24 Jul 14
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Bosworth said :

I have the solution for ACT’s Budget concerns:

Legalise marijuana and tax the sh1t out of it.

+1. The cops and government can’t control it now, might as well legalise it, manage it, tax it and develop a roadside test to tell if people are driving with it in their system.

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watto23 4:26 pm
24 Jul 14
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VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Bosworth said :

I have the solution for ACT’s Budget concerns:

Legalise marijuana and tax the sh1t out of it.

+1. The cops and government can’t control it now, might as well legalise it, manage it, tax it and develop a roadside test to tell if people are driving with it in their system.

While I agree that its probably better to legalise and regulate it, I can’t but think a lot don’t agree! Although they probably feel banning smoking and drinking is the way to go, but in that instance it would just be another illegal drug that police can’t control.

NZ legalised synthetic highs i think or something like that. For the very reason they can control, monitor, regulate and tax it!

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ScienceRules 5:11 pm
24 Jul 14
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I agree with your position, just not with your reasoning in arriving where you are.

Pot should be legal for everyone because there’s no damn reason why it shouldn’t be. As others have pointed out, it’s much healthier and safer than alcohol or cigarettes and the fact that it’s still illegal beggars belief.

Having said that, there is little scientific support for the notion that THC has a beneficial effect in pain management or the anxiety associated with a terminal illness. If people want to use it under these circumstances then they should be allowed to do so, no question.

However modern Palliative Care is very very effective at managing the pain of most terminal illnesses and the services available to the community are significant. Most planned deaths are managed outside of the hospital system now and patients and their families have so many options and resources to return as much control as possible to them during this time.

Disclaimer – I wouldn’t smoke pot even if it were legal (wine and the occasional beer will do) and am involved with Palliative Care volunteering.

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John Hargreaves Ex M 7:08 pm
24 Jul 14
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ScienceRules said :

I agree with your position, just not with your reasoning in arriving where you are.

Pot should be legal for everyone because there’s no damn reason why it shouldn’t be. As others have pointed out, it’s much healthier and safer than alcohol or cigarettes and the fact that it’s still illegal beggars belief.

Having said that, there is little scientific support for the notion that THC has a beneficial effect in pain management or the anxiety associated with a terminal illness. If people want to use it under these circumstances then they should be allowed to do so, no question.

However modern Palliative Care is very very effective at managing the pain of most terminal illnesses and the services available to the community are significant. Most planned deaths are managed outside of the hospital system now and patients and their families have so many options and resources to return as much control as possible to them during this time.

Disclaimer – I wouldn’t smoke pot even if it were legal (wine and the occasional beer will do) and am involved with Palliative Care volunteering.

In answer to other posts, please don’t bag Katie. Her mum died of cancer and she has a burden thus that we wouldn’t want.

Having said that, we’re not talking about social users. We’re talking about when nothing else is gunna help the pain. I’ll take a shit sandwich if it meant an end to that pain.

Incidentally, I was at one time responsible for a nursing home (before politics) and I have seen things most would prefer not to see.

When I go, if I have a preference between flying blue elephants and agonizing pain give me the elephants. And if there are no elephants but a chance, and I don’t care how slight, of a reduction in my pain, give it to me.Just give it to me. If the cops want to argue, bring it on…

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bundah 7:31 pm
24 Jul 14
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Judging by recent polls it’s fairly clear that the vast majority of peeps are totally in favour of medicinal cannabis which is a no-brainer. Personally I don’t have an issue with legalising pot although I suspect that those who oppose legalisation may point to reports that many welfare beneficiaries in Colorado, where gunja is now legal, are regularly withdrawing their cash benefits at pot outlets.

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Masquara 9:40 pm
24 Jul 14
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John Hargreaves hasn’t addressed the issue of links between marijuana use and schizophrenia – and the issue that today’s cannabis is many times stronger than the form he would have known in his drug experimenting days (if he had such). It’s just not quite that simple!

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mezza76 10:24 pm
24 Jul 14
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Masquara said :

John Hargreaves hasn’t addressed the issue of links between marijuana use and schizophrenia – and the issue that today’s cannabis is many times stronger than the form he would have known in his drug experimenting days (if he had such). It’s just not quite that simple!

Completely agree. Some of the above comments about marijuana being ‘safe’ is just rubbish. It’s a drug that has had numerous trials by many medical researchers and its found to have significant negative medical effects, with prolonged use wrecking peoples mental health.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

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Antagonist 10:33 pm
24 Jul 14
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John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

In answer to other posts, please don’t bag Katie. Her mum died of cancer and she has a burden thus that we wouldn’t want.

Cancer has affected many of us in many different ways, but it does not make my point (or the way in which it was made) any less valid or pertinent. Ms Gallagher has made public statements on the topic, and is therefore part of the public discussion.

Mr Hargreaves, I see that you support medical marijuana for the terminally ill. What is your position on its use for those who suffer from chronic pain but are not terminally ill? I have a family member who was injured in a workplace accident and will never be able to work full-time again. Said family member has undergone several surgeries and is prescribed such medical wonders as Oxycodone and Tramadol to help manage permanent chronic pain. Ten+ years of these very strong medications are having very negative long term health effects, despite their help with pain management. Should medical marijuana be available to these people too?

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Maya123 10:43 pm
24 Jul 14
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Masquara said :

John Hargreaves hasn’t addressed the issue of links between marijuana use and schizophrenia – and the issue that today’s cannabis is many times stronger than the form he would have known in his drug experimenting days (if he had such). It’s just not quite that simple!

This discussion is about the use of marijuana for the terminally ill and pain sufferers. Any possible link between marijuana use and schizophrenia is a distraction with this limited use of the drug. The people are dying and/or in pain. If there is any link, many of the patients will be dead before any schizophrenia has a chance to manifest itself. Besides, might it not be the developing brain that is most at risk, and generally these will be adult users.

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Antagonist 11:14 pm
24 Jul 14
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mezza76 said :

Masquara said :

John Hargreaves hasn’t addressed the issue of links between marijuana use and schizophrenia – and the issue that today’s cannabis is many times stronger than the form he would have known in his drug experimenting days (if he had such). It’s just not quite that simple!

Completely agree. Some of the above comments about marijuana being ‘safe’ is just rubbish. It’s a drug that has had numerous trials by many medical researchers and its found to have significant negative medical effects, with prolonged use wrecking peoples mental health.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

What do you suppose the long-term effects of using prescription opium derivatives including Codeine or Oxycodone might be like? Do you think the long-term health effects for opium derivatives are better or worse than those for marijuana users? If you had to make a choice (as many people do) between long-term health effects from medical marijuana, versus long-term health effects from opium derivatives, which would you choose?

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VYBerlinaV8_is_back 8:34 am
25 Jul 14
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watto23 said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Bosworth said :

I have the solution for ACT’s Budget concerns:

Legalise marijuana and tax the sh1t out of it.

+1. The cops and government can’t control it now, might as well legalise it, manage it, tax it and develop a roadside test to tell if people are driving with it in their system.

While I agree that its probably better to legalise and regulate it, I can’t but think a lot don’t agree! Although they probably feel banning smoking and drinking is the way to go, but in that instance it would just be another illegal drug that police can’t control.

NZ legalised synthetic highs i think or something like that. For the very reason they can control, monitor, regulate and tax it!

I used to be dead against legalising dope, and have argued so previously on this site.

What changed my mind is the consideration that our law enforcement systems simply can’t deal with the problem. Dope is as common as dirt, and yet is apparently illegal.

I also have a cousin who is a stoner. A real, long term, 6 cones a day stoner. His mental health is shot to hell. He’s never had a proper job. He can’t hold a relationship (and they’re inevitably scumbags anyway). He is, frankly, a drain on both his family and on society. But the reality is that he has easily fed his 20 year habit without running afoul of the law (to my knowledge anyway), so what the hell is the point of the laws? People like him will continue to ignore the rules and do what they want, and although people say that he’s only hurting himself, he’s got 3 kids he rarely sees (to 3 different women), he constant hassles family for money, he collects several types of welfare and will likely never contribute a cent to the common purse.

So bugger it. Legalise it, tax it, and control the strength. We might as well at least collect a few bucks from the users.

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