20 November 2008

Liberal Party Annual General Meeting

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Just got the AGM Nominees for the Liberal Party.

Interesting times again at the Liberal Party.

They just lost an election for being too right wing and now look at the list of nominees they have for the AGM.

Zed obviously can’t control his troops, they are looking to have another 4 years of the same old sh..tfight

[ED – Below are BarryF’s personal opinions of the various candidates.]

DIVISIONAL COUNCIL

President

    Winnifred Rosser (has played the line to stay in her job hence no one opposing her)

Vice-President

    Wallace Barnier (too much trouble, says what he thinks too often, he’s gone)
    Mark Tiirikainen (moderate Solicitor he’s a Dark Horse)
    John Cziesla (Right Wing)
    Tio Faulkner (Right Wing)

Policy Convenor

    Justin De Domenico (too loud and too moderate he’s gone as well)
    Frances James (Just Nutty)
    Henry Pike (Uber Right taken over as the Right faction leader from Coe)
    Giulia Jones (Right wing)
    John Cziesla (Right Wing)

Finance Director

    Robert Newman (nice old moderate)
    Andrew Sarri (another loud mouth moderate – he’s no chance)
    Henry Pike (Right Wing)
    Giulia Jones (Right Wing)
    Robert Gunning (Right Wing)

Treasurer

    Henry Pike (Right Wing)
    John Cziesla (Right Wing)
    Tio Faulkner (Right Wing)
    Federal Council Delegate
    Justin De Domenico (see above)
    Peter Brooks (Not well known)
    Giulia Jones (Right Wing)
    John Cziesla (Right Wing)

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Thank you, Gungahlin Al! Whatever would I do without you?

*chuckle*

However, I have had far more spittoon practice than far- … no I haven’t actually!! Okay, I shall do as you suggested.

: D

Gungahlin Al1:54 pm 21 Nov 08

Either way I spit in your general direction.

Granny, I think the quote you are looking for (courtesy of Monthy Python) is:

I fart in your general direction.

Followed by:

You worn down second hand electric donkey bottom biterrrrrr. Your mother was a hampsterrr and your father was an elderrrrberry. You silly English K-Nig-its with your running around… you get the drift.

Bah George, you just aren’t invited to the secret Hitler parties. I guess you believe in freedom too much.

…wait that can’t be it 😉

“I remember when I was youth Parliamentarian and the obsession amongst the young Liberals for anything to do with Adolf Hitler and Fascism.”

What a pathetic simplistic statement. I know many many Young Liberals (past and present) and I have never heard them glorifying Hitler or Fascism.

It just amazes me how ignorant people with ignorant views can come in this room and pedal such rubbish.

But I thought you weren’t a leak from the Liberal Party, Bazza? Or you’re just helping someone else to betray their companions?

Either way I spit in your general direction.

Give me people like caf and tom-tom any day. I don’t have to agree with them to respect them and the way they conduct themselves on this public forum.

Also, they participate in a wide range of discussions and they really give something of themselves while defending what they believe in.

People like you make me want to go out and buy voodoo dolls and dabble in black arts, which is strangely unusual for me.

Crikey said :

I find it amusing that there is so much concentration of right v moderates within the Liberal Party in this room.nnOf course the ALP is far more factionalised but receives little interest in this room. Labor’s factions are of course organised (a party within a party) with Member’s encouraged to become a member of a faction.nnIt is a furphy to say the Liberals in the ACT have “factions”, their groups are more based on personalities, like who hates Brendan Smyth and his cohorts who likes him. I know some of the so-called moderates in the ACT and they are more right wing than the conservatives.nnThe sad thing is that many of the people who come into this room to crap all over the Liberal Party are active members of the Liberal Party (including members of its executive)eg,BarryF

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Crikey I am not even a member of the party although I vote for them. I have some close affiliations obviously. I was just bringing to everyones attention the direction that the Liberal Party is heading.

I am amused that you think that you have to be an insider to make a comment about the Liberals.

I note that your opinion about who hates Brendan Smyth etc is never questioned. I wonder where you sit? By the way I don’t like him either, but I think that is irrelevant. The wounds and division in the Liberal Party go alot deeper than that and to be elected in this town they will have to do some soul searching on where they should head as a party. Some reflection on what policies they didn’t have, what policies resonated with the voters and how they are perceived by the voters.

I know that the Liberals don’t like the “F” word but what else would you call it. Caf is right the Labor Party is much better at it, see how well organised they are. You NEVER hear any leaks from the Labor Party because they look after both sides. The Liberals don’t seem to understand if you pubicly dump on someone they will pubicly dump on you.

Simbo makes a good point to Troy Williams (who from memory spilled some blood himself in the media)

“Surely the best time to be spilling blood is immediately after an election (at which the libs, let’s be honest here, managed to go backwards. If you need to do something to fix problems, do it fast and do it effectively. Massaging the events for public consumption just means you look sneaky”

I agree with Simbo’s assessment entirely.

Crikey think what you like but this is free forum to offer opinions that some may not like. If you don’t like them please be polite enough to just disagree.

You should call me Prince Harry actually. William is the sensible one, Harry is the awesome wild child. I’m more a whig than a tory though.

I know that’s what I’ll be wearing…

I remember when I was youth Parliamentarian and the obsession amongst the young Liberals for anything to do with Adolf Hitler and Fascism.

They changed tune very quickly when I informed them of the Fuhrers secret obsessions in that he was a coprophile and closet homosexual.

Not that I have anything against homosexuals or lesbians, I think its a matter of Freedom of choice, I just think it was a little perverse that Hitler lived a secret life and persecuted millions for having the same sexual preference.

Anyone with interest in the subject should find a copy of ‘The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, Lively and Abrams, Founders Publishing Corporation 1995’

Or a documentary titled ‘The Hidden Fuhrer, debating the enigma of Hitlers sexuality, 2004’

TroyWilliams said :

Granny has a valid suggestion.

Spilling blood in public, just what the party needs.

Surely the best time to be spilling blood is immediately after an election (at which the libs, let’s be honest here, managed to go backwards. If you need to do something to fix problems, do it fast and do it effectively. Massaging the events for public consumption just means you look sneaky…

Gungahlin Al6:00 am 21 Nov 08

We’ll just call you “Prince William”? You tories just never learn… 🙂

Sean78 said :

I could just imagine the dress, it would be a mixture of Waffen SS costumes and Jackboots, although they would be better off hosting a masquerade ball for all their two faced members.

I know that’s what I’ll be wearing…

Is this guy for real?

*chuckle*

I could just imagine the dress, it would be a mixture of Waffen SS costumes and Jackboots, although they would be better off hosting a masquerade ball for all their two faced members.

On the “curse on all heir houses” basis, I was going to ignore this thread. I looked, and saw a name I recognised from occasional (non-political) contacts. I have no idea about his political views, but John Cziesla impressed me as a decent, intelligent and thoughtful young man. Far too good for politics.

They still kept the fight within ‘the family’ though, in my observation, although I’m willing to be corrected.

I don’t recall anyone chucking a BarryF about it.

(Devil’s advocate hat on).

Local Labor had no dificulty shafting the preselected Mike Hettinger when he was seen to move outside the party comfort zone.

And can I also say, jakez, that you … more than anybody here … make the Liberal Party look good. That is just my opinion. You are smart and real and you care.

Perhaps so, jakez. But even whilst you disagree, you are still a loyal party member.

This sort of thing just doesn’t seem to happen in the Labor Party – public interest or not. Maybe their members care more about their party than their own personal gain. Maybe it’s like blood is thicker than water for them.

I don’t see posts spouting off about the Labor AGMs or whatever on RiotACT. Possibly I’m just blind and miss all the action, however.

Either way I know which party I respect more right now.

Gungahlin Al5:44 pm 20 Nov 08

I have generally held that sunlight is a good sanitiser.

As with whistleblowers, in many cases the “spilling of blood in public” comes from something that the public needs to find out about. Not always certainly – often it is just sour grapes getting an outing, and it often backfires on such people.

But when people are being asked to place their confidence and votes in an organisation to run the Territory, then there’s a lot of “in the public interest” to take into account.

Methinks…

Granny said :

Why doesn’t the party just give BarryF a good keelhauling or something? Or at least take his badge? What about even just take him off the mailing list?

*chuckle*

Why do I have to think of everything?

One may think that what Barryf does is wrong, however I would be very disappointed in a Party that punished him/her for doing it. Do you guys really want a Liberal Party where members will get suspended/expelled for giving their opinion in public?

Besides, barryf isn’t barryf’s real name. This is why barryf will be fine while I every day skirt a dangerous line tempting recrimination.

I think.

Well, I actually hadn’t thought of the public aspect, although I daresay some would find it diverting light entertainment of a Saturday afternoon.

I hadn’t realised party needs encompassed BarryF’s many public airings of dirty laundry.

But don’t mind me … what would I know?

Carry on.

TroyWilliams5:09 pm 20 Nov 08

Granny has a valid suggestion.

Spilling blood in public, just what the party needs.

Why doesn’t the party just give BarryF a good keelhauling or something? Or at least take his badge? What about even just take him off the mailing list?

*chuckle*

Why do I have to think of everything?

I am most curious about the concept of “far more factionalised” – that seems to me a little like being “far more pregnant”. (The factional alignment of ALP MLAs was discussed here after the election, anyway).

One result of the ALP’s more rigid factional structures is that deals are brokered such that the political booty is shared around between them. In contrast, the Liberals’ more loose arrangements seem to result in more bitter (or at least more public) fights as one grouping or another gains the ascendency.

Of course, in their current situation one is also reminded of the comment on student politics: that it is so bitter, because the stakes are so low!

Crikey said :

I find it amusing that there is so much concentration of right v moderates within the Liberal Party in this room.

Of course the ALP is far more factionalised but receives little interest in this room. Labor’s factions are of course organised (a party within a party) with Member’s encouraged to become a member of a faction.

It is a furphy to say the Liberals in the ACT have “factions”, their groups are more based on personalities, like who hates Brendan Smyth and his cohorts who likes him. I know some of the so-called moderates in the ACT and they are more right wing than the conservatives.

The sad thing is that many of the people who come into this room to crap all over the Liberal Party are active members of the Liberal Party (including members of its executive)eg,BarryF

Crikey does not lie.

I find it amusing that there is so much concentration of right v moderates within the Liberal Party in this room.

Of course the ALP is far more factionalised but receives little interest in this room. Labor’s factions are of course organised (a party within a party) with Member’s encouraged to become a member of a faction.

It is a furphy to say the Liberals in the ACT have “factions”, their groups are more based on personalities, like who hates Brendan Smyth and his cohorts who likes him. I know some of the so-called moderates in the ACT and they are more right wing than the conservatives.

The sad thing is that many of the people who come into this room to crap all over the Liberal Party are active members of the Liberal Party (including members of its executive)eg,BarryF

gay pron

the only thing val jeffery’s ads left me with was the lingering question, “why on earth was he so desperate to get to fyshwick?”

jimbocool the Libs have no time for branch stackers, they much prefer to use recruiters.

CAP would have done better with candidates that weren’t freakin’ insane. That whole Val Jeffries thing (“blimey, I can’t believe how bad this lot of flamin’ mongrels have stuffed it up”) left me – and many others – with the distinct impression that the party was a bunch of terminally retarded yokels.

CAP would have done a lot better with a few more big name candidates, and a marketing manager.

GB said :

people in both Canberra Liberal and Labour seem to tend towards relatively similar thinking, and do not consistently position themselves along a theoretical left-right axis. But in terms of social policies, they are miles apart. So the social policies, together with housebound’s list of ‘ general competence, people skills and intelligence’, and an added ‘how honest will they be’ criteria, provides the differentiation.

Ignoring the fact that social policy is wider than abortion/gay rights etc, this is a better explanation of Canberra’s strange preoocupation than I have seen before.

And you’re right – how honest they will be is important too.

johnboy said :

It would be really nice if Liberals who supported treating gays and lesbians as human beings, reforming drug law, encouraging contraception, and genuinely supporting all business by not distorting markets for the benefit of a few would clearly label themselves.

Maybe they should form a new party. They could call themselves, oh I don’t know, maybe the “liberal” party. And the existing Liberal Party could change its name to the John Howard Memorial Party.

Others will no doubt address this with more analytical rigour, but it seems to me that in regard to the economy, people in both Canberra Liberal and Labour seem to tend towards relatively similar thinking, and do not consistently position themselves along a theoretical left-right axis. But in terms of social policies, they are miles apart. So the social policies, together with housebound’s list of ‘ general competence, people skills and intelligence’, and an added ‘how honest will they be’ criteria, provides the differentiation.

Maybe what we need to do is organise a good ole fashioned branch stackin’. There are probably enough politically motivated RiotActers around that we could stack the Libs. It’d have to be the Libs as the ALP has a somewhat larger membership. If nothing else, the CAP expereince has shown us that there is no point in starting your own party – much better that we steal someone else’s.

No rules other than the ones made by the parties themselves. These are usually pretty strict.

What are the rules concerning membership of political parties in Australia? Are you allowed to join more then one? So that you can influence who helps make policy, regardless of which party is in power?

There aint no party like a liberal party!

…well I tried.

I think you’re ok jakez, but I wouldn’t be caught dead in the Liberal Party! 🙂

Ahh I just found the email and apparently there weren’t enough nominations for policy committee so I’ll try and get someone to nominate me from the floor. It will be an interesting test to see how many people hate me.

BeyondThought12:10 pm 20 Nov 08

Usual assortment of low-level public servants and MLA staffers. Not a bright spark amongst them who could get a decent job in the private sector. Rosser, secretary; Barnier, “life coach”; Faulkner, staffer for Dunne; DeDeminco, unemployed; Jones, stay at home mum; Sari, thought he was in jail. Does a chick need to go on?

Is this the best they can do?

…I was thinking of running for policy committee (which isn’t listed above) but I’ve been so busy at work I didn’t realise nominations had closed. I hadn’t contacted anyone to see if I could garner any support either.

Jimbo: The problem is JB isn’t a member of the party so his support doesn’t really help me much.

The Candidates
An interesting array of candidates. I’ll be voting for some right wingers and some ‘moderates’.

You should all know that most people in the ACT Division are social conservatives (and economically whatever they think will get them votes). The two ‘factions’ are only very superficially ideological. There are a small number of people who have genuine policy conviction and they will be receiving my vote and support.

I will say one thing, I don’t think Henry Pike is ‘uber right’. A conservative for sure but he’s a good bloke and I have a lot of time for him.

We’re electing legislators, what sort of laws they’d make are the first hurdle.

Godwin’s law precludes me from noting who it was made the trains run on time but it was a poor substitute for their legislating.

I still amazes me that politics in this town is analysed in terms of pro/anti- abortion, euthanasia, gay rights, drug laws etc.

I have trouble believing that supporting all this is the only qualification for government (runniong a political party etc), and that being against means that you could never ever do a good job on all the other things.

Call me narrow minded, but I am sure that other factors should also come into play, somewhere, sometime – like general competence, people skills and intelligence.

where are you, jakez, JB’s calling for you…

It would be really nice if Liberals who supported treating gays and lesbians as human beings, reforming drug law, encouraging contraception, and genuinely supporting all business by not distorting markets for the benefit of a few would clearly label themselves.

They’d have done much better at the last election.

John Czielsla is so keen he gets listed twice for Treasurer and between him and Julia with a G they’ve got just about every position covered, are there simply no lefty leaning liberals in town any more?

So, how many members are in this “Just a bit nutty” Liberal Party faction?
(Damn, I mentioned the f word)

And as there is no real Liberal Party Left to compare to, making your ‘moderates’ the lefty opposition, does the ‘too right wing’ tag even apply?

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