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More parking the problem according to the Greens

By johnboy - 1 June 2011 40

The Greens’ Amanda Bresnan is concerned that construction of 500 parking places in the Parliamentary Triangle will be bad for transport.

“It might seem like the sale of land in the Parliamentary Triangle for a 500-space car space is a positive move, but we think that in the long run this will only entrench Canberra’s transport problems,” said Greens Transport spokesperson, Amanda Bresnan.

“Providing rapid, reliable and regular public transport from all over Canberra is the solution that will make the most difference. It is also the only way to battle the growing problems of congestion, parking, and emissions.”

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More parking the problem according to the Greens
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zippyzippy 6:50 pm
01 Jun 11
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Mysteryman said :

“It might seem like the sale of land in the Parliamentary Triangle for a 500-space car space is a positive move, but we think that in the long run this will only entrench Canberra’s transport problems”

That’s because you’re a muppet. If you want people to use public transport, make it worthwhile to them. Reliable service that’s easily accessible. If you can’t provide that, don’t expect to force them onto a crappy system by not providing car parks.

Yeah, Reliable service that’s easily accessible. I believe that’s what the greens are saying we should have as well. Sounds like you’re both mad at the government for dudding

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zippyzippy 6:56 pm
01 Jun 11
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… For dudding Canberra on public transport. (that was supposed to be the remainder of the sentence above)

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damien haas 7:06 pm
01 Jun 11
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Solidarity said :

No s*** sherlocks.

Now provide this transport.

Oh? Not feasible?

Typical Greens responce.

The ACT Goverments own research shows that building a Light Rail network in the ACT will raise productivity and provide an economic benefit.

Show me any study that indicates that acres and acres of cars doing nothing for the 9 hours their owners are working, provides the same thing.

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Innovation 7:25 pm
01 Jun 11
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#7 Watson – I gotta know… pushie or motorbike?

As for other posts, a public transport service that picks up passengers along transport corridors (and not just interchanges) would allow commuters including parents to park part way and get an express bus to work. Limited eg two hour, parking would allow those with more than one employer to easily find a short term car park at each place of business.

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keepitup 8:05 pm
01 Jun 11
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Overheard said :

Unfortunately the best bus route system available to humankind still doesn’t work for people who have two to three employers/clients in any one day, and just don’t have the luxury of the time for public transit.

Right on . . but those employers/clients that you speak of are usually in the ‘burbs, so parking isn’t a problem.

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Watson 8:20 pm
01 Jun 11
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Innovation said :

#7 Watson – I gotta know… pushie or motorbike?

lol, I would look really silly on a motorbike! I’m lucky enough (and pay enough rent too) that I can ride the push bike to work. Though I don’t do it often enough because I’m lazy. And I am not ashamed to admit that it’s usually the 30 mins circling to get a park at work after 9am that makes me start riding more often again! So for me, the strategy does work.

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Primal 9:15 pm
01 Jun 11
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arescarti42 12:02 pm
02 Jun 11
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zippyzippy said :

Solidarity said :

No s*** sherlocks.

Now provide this transport.

Oh? Not feasible?

Typical Greens responce.

It’s totally feasible. I think it’s just the Government that’s saying it’s not feasible isn’t it? ie its the one that isn’t making it happen.

Immensely better public transport systems are run in far sparser and more chaotically planned cities than Canberra. The ACT government basically treats public transport as a social service for people who are too young, old, poor, drunk, etc. to drive. If it actually treated ACTION as an alternative to driving, more people might start using it.

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puggy 1:04 pm
02 Jun 11
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Watson said :

Though I did ride in today – and severely regret it now watching the clouds roll in.

You’ve got to commit to it! Mudguards and good packable water proof jacket and riding in the rain becomes fun! I love it, except that I need to clean the bike up afterwards.

In general, if everyone does what is reasonable in their situation, then it should be all good. For example, I’m within a good riding distance of work, which has good change room facilities and I have a bus stop outside my front door. I also have no kids. I’d be an idiot to drive in that situation, so, we sold the second car. Six months on, it’s all good.

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bitzermaloney 1:37 pm
02 Jun 11
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Overheard said :

What JessP said.

I have a 10.30am-ish start tomorrow, but I’ll be in substantially earlier just to get a carpark. Little yellow envelopes are as prevalent as autumn leaves around here at the moment.

And you think Civic is better how? Try getting a long term parking spot in Civic at 10am, and that’s still paying $10+ a day.

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BimboGeek 1:53 pm
02 Jun 11
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Is it really so wrong to do both? Our population continues to increase so logically we need a few more parking spaces and a few more bus services.

As for me, it’s a 40 minute ride to my night job and about an hour on two buses. When I finish it’s LATE (11 at the earliest) so there’s either no bus or I’m too tired to ride. I have somewhere to park so I’m happy and safe and contributing to society. If we start getting fantastic bus services, I’ll take them! It’s really too late to drive if I finish at 1am. At my last night job I sometimes finished at 5am and had to drive home. That can’t be a good thing!

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Watson 2:34 pm
02 Jun 11
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puggy said :

Watson said :

Though I did ride in today – and severely regret it now watching the clouds roll in.

You’ve got to commit to it! Mudguards and good packable water proof jacket and riding in the rain becomes fun! I love it, except that I need to clean the bike up afterwards.

In general, if everyone does what is reasonable in their situation, then it should be all good. For example, I’m within a good riding distance of work, which has good change room facilities and I have a bus stop outside my front door. I also have no kids. I’d be an idiot to drive in that situation, so, we sold the second car. Six months on, it’s all good.

I grew up in wet European country, so am well used to riding in the rain (and think those without mudguards on their bikes are a bit insane) and I do enjoy riding in the rain on those rare occasions it happens (I’m the idiot swishing through puddles and singing loudly “Satan is my motor.”). I just never like riding home on the bike! I’m faster with the car and I just don’t have the same motivation I have in the mornings. But once I’m doing it, I’m fine and actually enjoy it.

So I am happy to get that push I need to leave the car at home. It’s embarassing I need that, but I’m only human!

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Postalgeek 3:01 pm
02 Jun 11
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Seems to me there are two camps that use parking. First is the ones who feel they need to drive, either carpooling, disabled, kids, or need to drive for work reasons. I’ll call them the martyrs.

Then there’s the single driver group, who drive because it suits them, because they’re lazy, or lack imagination, nouse, motivation, or discipline. They complain it’s too far to ride a bicycle or walk, takes too long for a bus, and use any number of excuses for abstaining from scooters and motorbikes (e.g there are too many dangerous cars on the road. Always cracks me up, that one). I’ll call them the slobs.

The irony being that martyrs always lead the attack on any initiative intent on driving slobs out of the parking spots martyrs so desperately need, and then complain about the ever-increasing costs of car travel being incurred on them as the slobs continue to overload the system.

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bryansworld 3:13 pm
02 Jun 11
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Postalgeek said :

Seems to me there are two camps that use parking. First is the ones who feel they need to drive, either carpooling, disabled, kids, or need to drive for work reasons. I’ll call them the martyrs.

Then there’s the single driver group, who drive because it suits them, because they’re lazy, or lack imagination, nouse, motivation, or discipline. They complain it’s too far to ride a bicycle or walk, takes too long for a bus, and use any number of excuses for abstaining from scooters and motorbikes (e.g there are too many dangerous cars on the road. Always cracks me up, that one). I’ll call them the slobs.

The irony being that martyrs always lead the attack on any initiative intent on driving slobs out of the parking spots martyrs so desperately need, and then complain about the ever-increasing costs of car travel being incurred on them as the slobs continue to overload the system.

Gold!

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Watson 3:27 pm
02 Jun 11
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Postalgeek said :

Seems to me there are two camps that use parking. First is the ones who feel they need to drive, either carpooling, disabled, kids, or need to drive for work reasons. I’ll call them the martyrs.

Then there’s the single driver group, who drive because it suits them, because they’re lazy, or lack imagination, nouse, motivation, or discipline. They complain it’s too far to ride a bicycle or walk, takes too long for a bus, and use any number of excuses for abstaining from scooters and motorbikes (e.g there are too many dangerous cars on the road. Always cracks me up, that one). I’ll call them the slobs.

The irony being that martyrs always lead the attack on any initiative intent on driving slobs out of the parking spots martyrs so desperately need, and then complain about the ever-increasing costs of car travel being incurred on them as the slobs continue to overload the system.

lol

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