Gee, there sure is a lot of development going on in Belco.

That’s the problem when you don’t have height restrictions. Developers always want to have the biggest and tallest building. Welcome to windy and shady Belconnen town centre.

WVCC said :

That’s the problem when you don’t have height restrictions. Developers always want to have the biggest and tallest building. Welcome to windy and shady Belconnen town centre.

You do know where this is being proposed for right? It’d have to be a damn sight taller to cause any difference to sun or wind in the town centre.

arescarti42 said :

Gee, there sure is a lot of development going on in Belco.

And yet somehow it is still a cultural wasteland….

Minimal local impact, in an ‘industrial’ area with negligable effect on local residents and next to public transport. Excellent. Play on

I have no issue with high density housing, particularly in town centres, which is where it belongs. However, I do wonder whether the market in Belco for this type of housing is becoming over-saturated.

And how much demand is there for 168 hotel rooms in Belco?

Thumper said :

arescarti42 said :

Gee, there sure is a lot of development going on in Belco.

And yet somehow it is still a cultural wasteland….

Et tu Thumper?

(Tempus dulcissime in Manuka se oblecte, non volo in Belco adsis.)

Thumper said :

arescarti42 said :

Gee, there sure is a lot of development going on in Belco.

And yet somehow it is still a cultural wasteland….

Thumper said :

arescarti42 said :

Gee, there sure is a lot of development going on in Belco.

And yet somehow it is still a cultural wasteland….

Et tu Thumper?

(Tempus dulcissime in Manuka se oblecte, non volo in Belco adsis.)

‘I like to have a timely gelato in Manuka, but I drive my Volvo to Belconnen in a track suit.’

Jethro said :

And how much demand is there for 168 hotel rooms in Belco?

Public servants travelling from interstate for meetings etc. diac and abs right near there.
I’m sure the developers have done due diligence anyway.

Canberra would have some of the biggest homes in aus and some of the smallest apartments.
Is the civic market so saturated that everything has to be sold off in belconnen

poetix said :

Thumper said :

arescarti42 said :

Gee, there sure is a lot of development going on in Belco.

And yet somehow it is still a cultural wasteland….

Thumper said :

arescarti42 said :

Gee, there sure is a lot of development going on in Belco.

And yet somehow it is still a cultural wasteland….

Et tu Thumper?

(Tempus dulcissime in Manuka se oblecte, non volo in Belco adsis.)

‘I like to have a timely gelato in Manuka, but I drive my Volvo to Belconnen in a track suit.’

Thanks for clearing that up, Poetix. Nice to have a competent translator on the staff.

It’s nice that Belco at last gets something like the ugly tower block in Woden.

Now we just need to persuade some developer to do the same in Tuggers and Gunners, and all will be right with the world.

54-11 said :

fortasse poetix in Manuka habet

54-11 said :

It’s nice that Belco at last gets something like the ugly tower block in Woden.

Now we just need to persuade some developer to do the same in Tuggers and Gunners, and all will be right with the world.

You mean like the Ministry of Truth, Ministry of Plenty, Ministry of Justice and I forget the other one in 1984?

Jerry Atric said :

fortasse poetix in Manuka habet

Not at all.

Meridiem stagnum illum, invenit Draconibus.

(Ah, Google instant Latin. How could I possibly go wrong? God knows what I really just said.)

Meanwhile, back in Belconnen…The Great Owl circles the Two Towers.

I don’t care, if you can’t see it from my place.

Jethro said :

And how much demand is there for 168 hotel rooms in Belco?

More to the point who the hell would want to stay in a hotel in that part of Belco. A hotel in the land next to Westfield would be more sensible, close walk to the mall, to the lake restaurant strip, to the buses, park and office area. But out there it is a short walk to Maccas, the pookl and bowling alley, an ok walk to the restaurant strip but far away from the buses, offices and the mall.

poetix said :

Thumper said :

(Tempus dulcissime in Manuka se oblecte, non volo in Belco adsis.)

‘I like to have a timely gelato in Manuka, but I drive my Volvo to Belconnen in a track suit.’

Gold. Pure gold.

Is everyone in this thread using Google translate? I’m having a hard time following this Latin.

It should be the possessive pronoun “tuus” to agree with “tempus” rather than “se” and it should be “oblecta” for the imperative. You should have “se” and then the infinitive of “adsum” rather than “adsis”. As it reads now “oblecta you in manuka very sweetly a time I do not wish you remain in belconnen. The second sentence simply says “Perhaps poetix has in manuka”.

Poetix has just said “this southern pool discovers snakes”

Yes “Romans go home” and all that, no language can be massacred on the internet without at least one corrector.

poetix said :

Jerry Atric said :

fortasse poetix in Manuka habet

Not at all.

Meridiem stagnum illum, invenit Draconibus.

(Ah, Google instant Latin. How could I possibly go wrong? God knows what I really just said.)

Meanwhile, back in Belconnen…The Great Owl circles the Two Towers.

JC said :

Jethro said :

And how much demand is there for 168 hotel rooms in Belco?

More to the point who the hell would want to stay in a hotel in that part of Belco. A hotel in the land next to Westfield would be more sensible, close walk to the mall, to the lake restaurant strip, to the buses, park and office area. But out there it is a short walk to Maccas, the pookl and bowling alley, an ok walk to the restaurant strip but far away from the buses, offices and the mall.

Wealthy uni students going to UC, perhaps? Other attractions from nearby Bruce might also be a draw (events at AIS, for example).

steveu said :

Jethro said :

And how much demand is there for 168 hotel rooms in Belco?

Public servants travelling from interstate for meetings etc. diac and abs right near there.
I’m sure the developers have done due diligence anyway.

developers have worked out how to get more tax payer funding to keep the motel alive

I don’t care as long as it might somehow help my house price go up

Jethro said :

I have no issue with high density housing, particularly in town centres, which is where it belongs. However, I do wonder whether the market in Belco for this type of housing is becoming over-saturated.

And how much demand is there for 168 hotel rooms in Belco?

Eh, if it means they won’t be as stupidly expensive as most new apartments then I am all for it. Belco already looks like shit, so I don’t think these developments are going to do much to ruin the area. It’s not hard at all to get to Civic from Belco either, so I could see there being a market for the residential units.

If it’s well designed, it can be as tall as it wants.

It is extremely unlikely that developers will put any more thought & resources into these towers than the cheap and nasty ones that Lauren Jackson was promoting to unfortunate first-flat-buyers a few years ago (and yes I still think she should be run out of town over that). Belconnen Town Centre just isn’t the sort of place that attracts architects and real-money investment.

Problem with this proposal is the overall extent of the structures ie higher than anything else in Canberra. So will be visible all around the Lake and many other places. It will be nearly twice as high as the Altitude which many have complained about even on RiotACT

I imagine it will be creating a likely scenario of vertical slums of the future. Who will want to live in a 1 bed apartment on the 29th level. Yes nice view but so far away from anything. It will dwarf the adjacent Maccas and the Church.

It will be much larger than the 24 storey Westfield development approved for cnr Benjamin Way and Emu bank. At least this one won’t be right on the edge of the Lake like the Westfield development. We really need height limits in the Town Centre of 18-20 storeys as what is happening is getting out of control.

I suspect that the developers (Geocon) have been influenced by ACTPLA/ESDD to go for the tallest building possible. It gives them collateral to justify lots more towers. LDA are also planning three more 20 storey towers between the Altitude and Sentinel Developments. The whole of the Town Centre will be saturated with apartments in a few years. An area dotted with towers is not rally development its more like a 1984 scenario wasteland of concrete. No one can really claim that all these towers is more sustainable than properly developed medium density housing.

More people and activity in Belconnen is just what the place needs. Another quality hotel is great too.

thy_dungeonman said :

Is everyone in this thread using Google translate? I’m having a hard time following this Latin.

It should be the possessive pronoun “tuus” to agree with “tempus” rather than “se” and it should be “oblecta” for the imperative. You should have “se” and then the infinitive of “adsum” rather than “adsis”. As it reads now “oblecta you in manuka very sweetly a time I do not wish you remain in belconnen. The second sentence simply says “Perhaps poetix has in manuka”.

Poetix has just said “this southern pool discovers snakes”

Yes “Romans go home” and all that, no language can be massacred on the internet without at least one corrector.

poetix said :

Jerry Atric said :

fortasse poetix in Manuka habet

Not at all.

Meridiem stagnum illum, invenit Draconibus.

(Ah, Google instant Latin. How could I possibly go wrong? God knows what I really just said.)

Meanwhile, back in Belconnen…The Great Owl circles the Two Towers.

Excellent. That is even dodgier than I had anticipated. I was trying to get a translation for ‘South of the lake one finds dragons’.

In future I will stick to fake English translations and bad French.

ghutch said :

Problem with this proposal is the overall extent of the structures ie higher than anything else in Canberra. So will be visible all around the Lake and many other places. It will be nearly twice as high as the Altitude which many have complained about even on RiotACT

I imagine it will be creating a likely scenario of vertical slums of the future. Who will want to live in a 1 bed apartment on the 29th level. Yes nice view but so far away from anything. It will dwarf the adjacent Maccas and the Church.

It will be much larger than the 24 storey Westfield development approved for cnr Benjamin Way and Emu bank. At least this one won’t be right on the edge of the Lake like the Westfield development. We really need height limits in the Town Centre of 18-20 storeys as what is happening is getting out of control.

I suspect that the developers (Geocon) have been influenced by ACTPLA/ESDD to go for the tallest building possible. It gives them collateral to justify lots more towers. LDA are also planning three more 20 storey towers between the Altitude and Sentinel Developments. The whole of the Town Centre will be saturated with apartments in a few years. An area dotted with towers is not rally development its more like a 1984 scenario wasteland of concrete. No one can really claim that all these towers is more sustainable than properly developed medium density housing.

If this is the Belconnen town centre we’re talking about then I don’t think many people will have as big a problem with it as you. There isn’t much to look at about Belco as it is, it’s a very functional area for the most part, giving it some big-arse buildings might even make for a more interesting city-scape.

I definitely think that comparing the development to 1984 is not only a huge over-reaction, but misses the point of the book entirely.

Theres two ways to decrease the crime rate in belconnen..

Reduce the crime,

Increase the population.

Excellent news!!!

More places like these decreases the need to build new roads and install trams.

But I would really like to see buildings that are really reminiscent of these:

http://tinyurl.com/bcdova6