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New liquor laws bring decline in crime

By 11 March 2011 29

Simon Corbell in Garema Place

Simon Corbell has announced a victory for his new liquor laws:

There has been a marked decrease in the amount of alcohol related arrests in the ACT over the 2010-11 summer period, with 27% less arrests recorded between December and March, compared to the previous year, Attorney General, Simon Corbell said today.

Mr Corbell made the comments while releasing statistics from the first three months of operation of the new liquor laws that came into effect in the ACT on December 1, 2010.

“These results are very pleasing, and are evidence the ACT Labor Government’s targeted strategy to combat alcohol related violence and anti social behaviour is beginning to work,” Mr Corbell said.

“The combination of new liquor laws, a specialised alcohol crime targeting team in ACT Policing, and new liquor enforcement officers in the Office of Regulatory Service is working to produce the desired outcomes of the government’s liquor strategy.”

Now could we have achieved the same outcomes without making small bars unviable?

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29 Responses to New liquor laws bring decline in crime
#1
Sleaz2741:28 pm, 11 Mar 11

Or the weather was sh*te and there were 27% less people out. I would have thought that a specific alcohol targetting team (which means drunk bogan targetting team) would have resulted in more arrests??

So basically we spent all this money and changed all these laws and have 27% fewer results to show for it.

#2
Diggety1:38 pm, 11 Mar 11

27% fewer police?

#3
Chaz2:16 pm, 11 Mar 11

Sleaz274 said :

Or the weather was sh*te and there were 27% less people out. I would have thought that a specific alcohol targetting team (which means drunk bogan targetting team) would have resulted in more arrests??

So basically we spent all this money and changed all these laws and have 27% fewer results to show for it.

My thoughts exactly. I’m pretty sure this was mostly due to weather and not some blitz by police

#4
georgesgenitals2:50 pm, 11 Mar 11

Before we go shouting it down, I’d be inclined to wait and see if the stats change at all over a longer period of time, instead of looking at the last little bit.

#5
Sleaz2743:16 pm, 11 Mar 11

Well it is the Minister declaring victory ala George Bush on a certain aircraft carrier with a certain banner.

I think it’s justified to comment. I’m sure most pub club owners would say they had a very quiet summer, <50% patronage on previous years.

So could we infer that alcohol crime actually rose by 23% proportionately??

Don't they consider these sort of things before jumping in front of a microphone thinking that we are all blind sheep ready to accept their wisdom?

#6
Diggety3:31 pm, 11 Mar 11

I wonder if there has been an increase in bottle shop burglaries?

#7
Tooks7:38 pm, 11 Mar 11

Sleaz274 said :

Or the weather was sh*te and there were 27% less people out. I would have thought that a specific alcohol targetting team (which means drunk bogan targetting team) would have resulted in more arrests??

So basically we spent all this money and changed all these laws and have 27% fewer results to show for it.

What makes you think arrests are part of the team’s goals?

#8
Peep9:42 pm, 11 Mar 11

So the decrease in arrests is due to less people being in the city (up to a 50% reduction? bad weather), but the Nightrider bus not having any patronage was all due to poor promotion?

#9
WonderfulWorld9:52 pm, 11 Mar 11

In my world, I’ve not noticed any change to the liquor laws, they still allow me to purchase.

#10
Davo11110:09 pm, 11 Mar 11

I’d say there were 27% less people out.

#11
bd8410:26 pm, 11 Mar 11

I can’t say I’ve noticed any change in how alcohol is served or the opening hours of any pubs or clubs, so I don’t see how their new laws have made any difference to alcohol related crime. I would like to see the figures compared to similar times in prior years, I think you may find that it drops consistently when people leave town for their holidays.

#12
Ian11:06 pm, 11 Mar 11

Simon and his minders obviously missed the lesson in maths at school that correlation does not necessarily mean causation.

#13
vg12:10 am, 12 Mar 11

Amazing that people who would have never seen an angry man in their lives know so much about policing and how much better it should be done.

I mean people never drink indoors when it rains……it couldn’t possibly have been the new laws and team enforcing it. I mean surely everyone knows how to do policing better than the Police…..surely.

Congrats to the new laws and the teams that enforce them. Small bars aren’t ‘unviable’, that is a nonsense pushed by the AHA.

#14
buzz8197:48 am, 12 Mar 11

Sleaz274 said :

Or the weather was sh*te and there were 27% less people out. I would have thought that a specific alcohol targetting team (which means drunk bogan targetting team) would have resulted in more arrests??

So basically we spent all this money and changed all these laws and have 27% fewer results to show for it.

I wonder how many criminal infringement notices were handed at during this time, compared to say last year. (Not really fair I know, considering most were introduced on December.)

I think you will find that the arrests had to do with assaults, anti-social behavior and intoxication, if these three things aren’t been done, then why should the arrest rates be bigger?

Have you been out on a friday, saturday or thursday night? The weather does not affect the amount of people out, most of the night clubs in civic are in the one building with a HUGE cover over most of the walk way.

#15
georgesgenitals4:41 pm, 12 Mar 11

vg said :

Amazing that people who would have never seen an angry man in their lives know so much about policing and how much better it should be done.

Agreed. It’s very easy to tear things down.

#16
Thumper7:50 pm, 12 Mar 11

Damn, randon comma…

#17
dvaey2:15 am, 13 Mar 11

Tooks said :

What makes you think arrests are part of the team’s goals?

An early story reported that the team is also quite handy with on-the-spot revenue-raisers too. Maybe that accounts for the reduction.. where arrests were made in the past, are criminal infringements now being issued instead?

vg said :

I mean people never drink indoors when it rains……it couldn’t possibly have been the new laws and team enforcing it.

People will drink indoors regardless of the weather, but if youve got bad weather youre less likely to go out to do it, and instead drink at home. Maybe it was the new laws, or maybe it was a rainy enough summer to break the drought and flood half the nation repeatedly, and people being budget conscious and drinking at home instead of going out.

Results like this remind me of the ‘dedicated team targetting drink driving’ who caught no drink drivers over the new years period. “Over 500 tests were conducted by these patrols with no positive tests”

#18
Tooks8:13 am, 13 Mar 11

Results like this remind me of the ‘dedicated team targetting drink driving’ who caught no drink drivers over the new years period. “Over 500 tests were conducted by these patrols with no positive tests”

Plenty of people were caught drink driving over the New Years period. Just none of them were stupid enough to do it around the CBD which was flooded with high vis patrols.

#19
dvaey10:55 am, 13 Mar 11

Tooks said :

How come the report on the night from ACT policing contradicts you, saying zero were caught? Do you know something that ACT policing media relations dont? I know how much you like citations, hence why I provided 2 in my original comment. As much as I like to believe the word of someone commenting on a blog over a media release, it helps if you can back up your story.

#20
Tooks11:27 am, 13 Mar 11

dvaey said :

Tooks said :

How come the report on the night from ACT policing contradicts you, saying zero were caught? Do you know something that ACT policing media relations dont? I know how much you like citations, hence why I provided 2 in my original comment. As much as I like to believe the word of someone commenting on a blog over a media release, it helps if you can back up your story.

Let me explain it to you again. Plenty of people were caught in other areas of the ACT by general duties patrols etc over the new years period. The zero result mentioned in the press release came from the units specifically targetting drink driving on major arterial roads.

Dedicated traffic patrols conducted high visibility random breath testing on major arterial roads throughout the evening. Over 500 tests were conducted by these patrols with no positive tests.”

#21
Special G1:55 pm, 13 Mar 11

dvaey – you don’t get out much? Pretty much the same numbers of people head into civic regardless of the weather. Raining just means they stay under the eaves of the Sydney building as opposed to wandering on the roads.

What this then means is the same numbers of people pack themselves into a smaller area which brings about a different set of issues.

and before you ask – no I don’t have any stats to prove this just 14 years of working in and around Civic on Thur-Sat nights.

#22
dvaey3:21 pm, 15 Mar 11

Special G said :

and before you ask – no I don’t have any stats to prove this just 14 years of working in and around Civic on Thur-Sat nights.

Maybe you forgot the weekends in the leadup to Christmas..

Dec 2 http://the-riotact.com/severe-thunderstorm-warming/32630
Dec 9 http://the-riotact.com/captains-flat-dam-failure-warning/33114
Dec 16 http://the-riotact.com/googong-spillway-definitely-and-officially-open/33783

Maybe you have worked in Civic for 14 years, but this extreme weather was more severe than anything the city has experienced in over 30 years. We’re not just talking about a bit of rain to cool the night down, we’re talking enough rain to smash dams and cut off low-lying residences.

Many reports have claimed trade was down, the night-rider service was poorly utilised. If you can provide any proof to show that club patronage was high over christmas, feel free.

#23
cleo1:12 am, 22 Apr 11

That’s all good and well, but what about the assaults on people minding their own business, whilst walking along the road, and all the break-ins due to drugs.

When are they going to clean up Canberra from drugs, hell they even want to give needles to the new prison, instead of trying to get these prisoners off drugs, they will get out of prison and do the same things over and over again.

How about more help in this area for people on drugs, eg: rehabilitation, detox, implant Naltrexone

#24
Not10:25 am, 22 Apr 11

I am sorry if I am unwilling to take Sime’s word for it. Anyway some of the best comedy comes from alcohol related crimes!!

#25
buzz8192:09 pm, 22 Apr 11

Not said :

I am sorry if I am unwilling to take Sime’s word for it. Anyway some of the best comedy comes from alcohol related crimes!!

Yeah and the worst violence as well, just as long as your entertained by other people being put in hospital, good work.

#26
Not3:41 pm, 22 Apr 11

buzz819 said :

Not said :

I am sorry if I am unwilling to take Sime’s word for it. Anyway some of the best comedy comes from alcohol related crimes!!

Yeah and the worst violence as well, just as long as your entertained by other people being put in hospital, good work.

I don’t know that anyone would be entertained by that? I think you mean the stupidest violence. I can think of a few examples that might supersede drunken violence, Rwanda, Timor, Libya. Just a few. Pfft.

#27
buzz8197:13 pm, 22 Apr 11

Not said :

buzz819 said :

Not said :

I am sorry if I am unwilling to take Sime’s word for it. Anyway some of the best comedy comes from alcohol related crimes!!

Yeah and the worst violence as well, just as long as your entertained by other people being put in hospital, good work.

I don’t know that anyone would be entertained by that? I think you mean the stupidest violence. I can think of a few examples that might supersede drunken violence, Rwanda, Timor, Libya. Just a few. Pfft.

Hmm considering this is a post about the ACT, I think you will find yet again, you’ve gone flapping your gums with nothing useful.

#28
Not10:01 pm, 22 Apr 11

buzz819 said :

Not said :

buzz819 said :

Not said :

I am sorry if I am unwilling to take Sime’s word for it. Anyway some of the best comedy comes from alcohol related crimes!!

Yeah and the worst violence as well, just as long as your entertained by other people being put in hospital, good work.

I don’t know that anyone would be entertained by that? I think you mean the stupidest violence. I can think of a few examples that might supersede drunken violence, Rwanda, Timor, Libya. Just a few. Pfft.

Hmm considering this is a post about the ACT, I think you will find yet again, you’ve gone flapping your gums with nothing useful.

You are kidding, a post about the ACT? I would like to thank his honor for pointing that out. Why else would one comment on a site aptly named, “Riotact”. I saw my fair share of violence in Canberra, have no fear. I think it has remained about the same on the whole for the last 15 years. Nothing to try and get misguided about. Again. Maybe its the courts that are to blame.

#29
dobbie8:28 pm, 09 Jun 11

buzz819 said :

Not said :

I am sorry if I am unwilling to take Sime’s word for it. Anyway some of the best comedy comes from alcohol related crimes!!

Yeah and the worst violence as well, just as long as your entertained by other people being put in hospital, good work.

I’m for any law that would reduce alcohol related violence…
Maybe I’m a dreamer, but, if only those out for a night on the town could see what could happen to them or their mates because someone drank more than they could handle, and lost control.

Alec Hurley is only one example of what can go terribly wrong, http://www.voltagemedia.com.au/news/2011/02/23/rip-alexander-alec-hurley-1971-2011
On his 19th birthday, Alec had been out to dinner with some mates, they then went into Civic to continue the celebrations. Sometime during the evening, while waiting outside to get into the now defunct Private Bin, Al stepped in to diffuse a situation between one of his mates and a drunk and angry young man, Alec fell to the ground, striking his head and spent the next 21 years brain injured and totally dependent on others.

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