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New visions for Bunda Street

By 16 January 2013 67

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Shane Rattenbury has announced the release of concept plans for Bunda Street:

The redesign of Bunda Street will form part of the Civic Cycle Loop project, a 3.2 kilometre path that loops around the City and connects to existing paths that lead into the City. The ACT Government has so far invested $6 million for the design and construction of the Civic Cycle Loop.

“These are exciting new designs for Canberra’s city centre that we hope will encourage pedestrians and cyclists, improve safety, and also create a vibrant and user-friendly urban space,” said Mr Rattenbury.

“The Bunda Street section of the Civic Cycle Loop, between Mort and Akuna Streets, requires special design consideration as it has high pedestrian and traffic volumes and a busy retail and hospitality environment.

“We engaged three separate, highly qualified and experienced urban design consultants to participate in a design competition for the Bunda Street section of the loop. Each consultant has presented their best design proposal for the space. Each design has a unique proposal to manage Bunda Street as a high-use space for motorists, pedestrians and cyclists.

“We really encourage the community to get involved and provide feedback on which design they think would work best for the Bunda Street section of the cycle loop.

You can take a look on the time to talk site.

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New visions for Bunda Street
Henry82 10:49 am
16 Jan 13
#1

I hope they realise shared zones just don’t work.

PantsMan 11:16 am
16 Jan 13
#2

What an absolute load of s*&t!

Because Bunda St is the only street where one can successfully run a business in Civic, because people actually want to go there, and because people who ride bikeS (like me) just plainly do not actually want to ride down Bunda St, as it is really on the way to nowhere, the Marxists at the London Circuit Soviet have a problem of capitalism seeming to work, and their extremist agenda not being imposed upon the lemmings of Canberra.

Shane Rattenbury’s solution to Canberrans seeming to engage in capitalist behaviour is to ban it, then impose his extremist, Marxist, bike-riding agenda on us all. Will Shane compensate all the businesses that will go bust on Bunda St when it became another Garema Place?

If you tolerate this, then your business will be next!

Maybe Mayor Rattenbury should just take his (READ OUR!) $8 million f*&k-up waiting to happen and just go away.

Holden Caulfield 11:28 am
16 Jan 13
#3

Nice and quite appropriate reference to Manic Street Preachers there. :P

BelcoMan 11:43 am
16 Jan 13
#4

PantsMan said :

What an absolute load of s*&t!

Because Bunda St is the only street where one can successfully run a business in Civic, because people actually want to go there, and because people who ride bikeS (like me) just plainly do not actually want to ride down Bunda St, as it is really on the way to nowhere, the Marxists at the London Circuit Soviet have a problem of capitalism seeming to work, and their extremist agenda not being imposed upon the lemmings of Canberra.

Shane Rattenbury’s solution to Canberrans seeming to engage in capitalist behaviour is to ban it, then impose his extremist, Marxist, bike-riding agenda on us all. Will Shane compensate all the businesses that will go bust on Bunda St when it became another Garema Place?

If you tolerate this, then your business will be next!

Maybe Mayor Rattenbury should just take his (READ OUR!) $8 million f*&k-up waiting to happen and just go away.

I’m guessing the medication hasn’y kicked in yet?

I am guessing Shane want to be known as the next Mayor Clover? Bike paths, seriously?

Chop71 11:55 am
16 Jan 13
#5

Hold your horses tax payers.
You not only paid for 1 study, but you paid for 3 …..

oh, I feel blessed that my gumby(mint) fees go to consultant studies showing people how to ride a bike around civic.

HiddenDragon 11:56 am
16 Jan 13
#6

So is it/will it be one-way traffic, or are they changing to driving on the right hand side of the road, just to add to the lovely Euro-poseur feel of it all?

what_the 12:00 pm
16 Jan 13
#7

Where are goods trucks supposed to unload with that plan? Does the plan include replacement parking on already limited spaces?

dpm 12:27 pm
16 Jan 13
#8

PantsMan said :

What an absolute load of s*&t!

Because Bunda St is the only street where one can successfully run a business in Civic, because people actually want to go there, and because people who ride bikeS (like me) just plainly do not actually want to ride down Bunda St, as it is really on the way to nowhere, the Marxists at the London Circuit Soviet have a problem of capitalism seeming to work, and their extremist agenda not being imposed upon the lemmings of Canberra.

Shane Rattenbury’s solution to Canberrans seeming to engage in capitalist behaviour is to ban it, then impose his extremist, Marxist, bike-riding agenda on us all. Will Shane compensate all the businesses that will go bust on Bunda St when it became another Garema Place?

I don’t understand this ^

Are you saying Bunda St shops are doing OK now, and allowing (more) bikes will make them all go bust? If so, who are the bikes going to stop from shopping there? Car drivers or pedestrians? If car drivers, I doubt many Bunda shoppers actually drive there. If pedestrians, then why are you saying it will then be like Garema Pl (which is almost exclusively pedestrians – and is apparently going bust)?

BTW, I don’t support shared roads as they are generally just a mess – it’s just that I can’t understand your comment! :-)
Having said that, you’d be mad to drive down Bunda St now (as it would take you ages), so making it formally shared is no big deal, IMO.

astrojax 12:45 pm
16 Jan 13
#9

what_the said :

Where are goods trucks supposed to unload with that plan? Does the plan include replacement parking on already limited spaces?

but there shan’t be a need for car spaces as we’ll all be riding our bicycles now it is so safe to do so… sheesh, so short-sighted of you :)

KB1971 12:47 pm
16 Jan 13
#10

BelcoMan said :

PantsMan said :

What an absolute load of s*&t!

Because Bunda St is the only street where one can successfully run a business in Civic, because people actually want to go there, and because people who ride bikeS (like me) just plainly do not actually want to ride down Bunda St, as it is really on the way to nowhere, the Marxists at the London Circuit Soviet have a problem of capitalism seeming to work, and their extremist agenda not being imposed upon the lemmings of Canberra.

Shane Rattenbury’s solution to Canberrans seeming to engage in capitalist behaviour is to ban it, then impose his extremist, Marxist, bike-riding agenda on us all. Will Shane compensate all the businesses that will go bust on Bunda St when it became another Garema Place?

If you tolerate this, then your business will be next!

Maybe Mayor Rattenbury should just take his (READ OUR!) $8 million f*&k-up waiting to happen and just go away.

I’m guessing the medication hasn’y kicked in yet?

I am guessing Shane want to be known as the next Mayor Clover? Bike paths, seriously?

Hang on…..are you not the one who does similar rants against the Summernats?

GardeningGirl 12:52 pm
16 Jan 13
#11

Sorry, but having almost been hit by a speeding cyclist twice recently right near where that picture shows, WHILE ON THE FOOTPATH, the idea of encouraging cyclists to think of the area as their own doesn’t thrill me. Unless perhaps they stay ONLY on that green line? But there’s always a selfish minority who zoom back and forth between being road traffic and cycle lane traffic and footpath traffic as it suits them with no regard for the other people having to jump sideways or slam on brakes. Minority spoiling it for all. That’s my gut reaction to the happy artists impression. Suppose I’d better go read the whole release.

snoopydoc 12:58 pm
16 Jan 13
#12

Looks good. Driving down Bunda St (unless you’re delivering goods) is a monumentally stupid thing to do anyway, given the volume of pedestrian traffic typically crossing the street there.

Spykler 1:10 pm
16 Jan 13
#13

what_the said :

Where are goods trucks supposed to unload with that plan? Does the plan include replacement parking on already limited spaces?

Also, I notice the green band of cycleway extends down Allara st, that will please the merchants and the casino no end when the short-stay parking is removed..Get ready for a peasants revolt.

rosscoact 1:27 pm
16 Jan 13
#14

what_the said :

Where are goods trucks supposed to unload with that plan? Does the plan include replacement parking on already limited spaces?

Goods deliveries will continue although I expect they would be restricted to certain times as they are elsewhere that have similar mixed use

Parking, I expect they want you to park in one of the 5000 short stay spaces in the immediate vicinity.

BlackIce 1:57 pm
16 Jan 13
#15

PantsMan said :

What an absolute load of s*&t!

Because Bunda St is the only street where one can successfully run a business in Civic, because people actually want to go there, and because people who ride bikeS (like me) just plainly do not actually want to ride down Bunda St, as it is really on the way to nowhere, the Marxists at the London Circuit Soviet have a problem of capitalism seeming to work, and their extremist agenda not being imposed upon the lemmings of Canberra.

Shane Rattenbury’s solution to Canberrans seeming to engage in capitalist behaviour is to ban it, then impose his extremist, Marxist, bike-riding agenda on us all. Will Shane compensate all the businesses that will go bust on Bunda St when it became another Garema Place?

If you tolerate this, then your business will be next!

Maybe Mayor Rattenbury should just take his (READ OUR!) $8 million f*&k-up waiting to happen and just go away.

If you look at the design concept by Spackman Mossop and Michaels, no parking/loading spaces are should be lost. On the right hand side of the pdf (just above the large concept “photo”) you can see a cross section of how the street is to be utilised. Two way separated bike path and a single lane of traffic with parking/loading zones on both sides of that lane.

The biggest danger I can see is that many pedestrians currently wander across wherever they feel like it, and I can see them stepping onto the bike lanes without looking.

dtc 2:44 pm
16 Jan 13
#16

GardeningGirl said :

Sorry, but having almost been hit by a speeding cyclist twice recently right near where that picture shows, WHILE ON THE FOOTPATH, the idea of encouraging cyclists to think of the area as their own doesn’t thrill me. Unless perhaps they stay ONLY on that green line? But there’s always a selfish minority who zoom back and forth between being road traffic and cycle lane traffic and footpath traffic as it suits them with no regard for the other people having to jump sideways or slam on brakes. Minority spoiling it for all. That’s my gut reaction to the happy artists impression. Suppose I’d better go read the whole release.

Sooo, having almost been hit on the footpath you oppose having dedicated bike lanes that take cyclists off the footpath?

To get to, say, the Canberra Centre from west Civic (or Turner etc) you either need to take your lift in your hands and ride down Bunda St (with cars and pedestrians and taxis etc going all over the place, including parking and pulling out without seeing you) or ride on the footpath. Its the same along Marcus Clarke St (where they are also putting in cycle lanes) and much of London Cct.

Now if you think cyclists should just deal with it, then fine – but that means there will be cyclists on the footpaths with you.

enrique 3:13 pm
16 Jan 13
#17

To all the people complaining about this saying it won’t work… have any of you ever been to Europe? This sort of thing has been around for centuries and it works just fine. Netherlands or Denmark anyone?

Stevian 3:36 pm
16 Jan 13
#18

enrique said :

To all the people complaining about this saying it won’t work… have any of you ever been to Europe? This sort of thing has been around for centuries and it works just fine. Netherlands or Denmark anyone?

Except Australians are not Europeans we don’t think like them, and we don’t want to be like them.

neanderthalsis 3:37 pm
16 Jan 13
#19

enrique said :

To all the people complaining about this saying it won’t work… have any of you ever been to Europe? This sort of thing has been around for centuries and it works just fine. Netherlands or Denmark anyone?

Yes, but here in Straya we have drivers who are oblivious to cyclists, pedestrians who are oblivious to cars and cyclists who are oblivious to everyone.

bd84 3:48 pm
16 Jan 13
#20

Looks like another half-arsed design job. The shared zone will only work if Bunda street and surrounds are completely closed to general traffic and limited only to local/delivery vehicles from specified locations.

They are really defeating the point if they keep it open to general traffic and keep on street parking.

Bunda St does not go anywhere so it does not need to be open to traffic. You’d have to be crazy or very lucky to get a car park on Bunda St, and the majority of customers park at the Canberra Centre.

Key questions is why have we just forked out millions to “beautify” the street in the last year or so when now they’re just going to dig it all up. How will this fit in with the ridiculous bike paths that are being constructed on Rudd St and Bunda St which have a path on each side of the road?

what_the 3:51 pm
16 Jan 13
#21

enrique said :

To all the people complaining about this saying it won’t work… have any of you ever been to Europe? This sort of thing has been around for centuries and it works just fine. Netherlands or Denmark anyone?

So on this rationale can we have ‘cafes’ and throw in autobahn too?

PantsMan 4:06 pm
16 Jan 13
#22

1. Isn’t Bunda St the most vibrant street in the Civic? Wasn’t it revamped as part of the Canberra Centre expansion (by the private sector) only a couple of years ago? Is it now at the end of its economic life?

2. Is there any evidence that people want to cycle down Bunda St more than any other street? Most people (including me) want to cycle TO Bunda Street (because there is something there), not transit it! What about Northbourne, and Garema Place as an alternate route for all those who are currently “forced” to ride down Bunda St?

3. Why don’t they spend the $8 million money on Garema Place, where the benevolent social planners have created a ghost town full of boarded up shops and an abhorrent cityscape? And where is the $8 million coming from Shane, given the $380 m deficit (not including The Greens policies yet to be implemented).

This is all about making what people demonstrably want to do (that is, go somewhere in Civic that is not a ghost town, frequent busy cafes and stores, in their cars, or by walking; despite the “dangerous” cars travelling at 15 km/h and that stop at pedestrian crossings) and imposing Green/environmental/Marxist/bike riding normative values upon Canberrans.

Ultimately, it is social engineering where Shane gets to say:

PantsMan said :

I disapprove of you because you drive a car or you run a business. I am now going to engineer a situation where you no longer have the choice to drive, choice to park, choice to run a successful business, as I am going to make those choices for you according to my personal political (extremist) agenda.

Thanks for voting for the tool, people! We’ve got this for four years!

Sgt.Bungers 4:08 pm
16 Jan 13
#23

“In the early 1960′s Strøget, the main street running east-west through the city centre, became quite famous. It was closed off to cars and transformed into a pedestrian zone.

There were protests back then. Cries of “we’re not Italians! We don’t want to walk!” were heard in the city. Shopkeepers feared for their businesses. Fortunately, the idea was implemented and the architect and urban planner Jan Gehl was instrumental in making it happen.

This was a turning point in the modern life of Copenhagen. Cars were taking over, fewer people were cycling and the city was congested and polluted. Visionary political decision-making and urban planning was needed and it arrived.

Since then, Copenhagen hasn’t looked back. The fears of the shopkeepers were soon allayed – indeed there is nowhere in the world where pedestrian zones or bike lanes have caused commerce to suffer. These two urban planning instruments only serve to increase the number of pedestrians and act as a form of traffic calming. Streets become, quite simply, nicer places to be.”[1]

Henry82 4:11 pm
16 Jan 13
#24

enrique said :

To all the people complaining about this saying it won’t work… have any of you ever been to Europe?

I’m sure it does in Europe, but it doesn’t in Canberra. Simply walk to Childers St and you’ll see why

deye 4:18 pm
16 Jan 13
#25

To those complaining about the shared road, or the lack of parking, you had better look at the designs and give feedback so that the one that is most suitable to what you would like is chosen instead of the one that isn’t.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 4:33 pm
16 Jan 13
#26

Stop being such babies. This is a great idea.

KB1971 5:09 pm
16 Jan 13
#27

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Stop being such babies. This is a great idea.

I agree, Bunda St has been turned into a great eating precinct in parts & there is nothing worse than sitting outside & having cars & loud bikes go past.

Southlife in Tuggers is the same, it would be so much better without the traffic in the main street.

When it all comes down to it, for the most part, parking in the car parks of Cooyong St sees you pop out onto one of the side streets within a few steps of Bunda. There is a different park almost all the way so you don’t have to walk far if you don’t want to.

Deref 5:11 pm
16 Jan 13
#28

PantsMan said :

What an absolute load of s*&t!

Because Bunda St is the only street where one can successfully run a business in Civic, because people actually want to go there, and because people who ride bikeS (like me) just plainly do not actually want to ride down Bunda St, as it is really on the way to nowhere, the Marxists at the London Circuit Soviet have a problem of capitalism seeming to work, and their extremist agenda not being imposed upon the lemmings of Canberra.

Shane Rattenbury’s solution to Canberrans seeming to engage in capitalist behaviour is to ban it, then impose his extremist, Marxist, bike-riding agenda on us all. Will Shane compensate all the businesses that will go bust on Bunda St when it became another Garema Place?

If you tolerate this, then your business will be next!

Maybe Mayor Rattenbury should just take his (READ OUR!) $8 million f*&k-up waiting to happen and just go away.

I have a lovely selection of tinfoil hats just in, all at discounted prices.

zippyzippy 6:01 pm
16 Jan 13
#29

Wow, the outrage!

I read about this on ABC where, business seems happy with the proposals:

“Stephen Gregory from Canberra CBD Limited says any activity that improves Civic is welcome.

“The thing about a shared zone is that everybody has the right of way and I think that’s important in a space like this,” he said.

“What we’re seeing in some of these designs is examples of what works in other big cities around the world.”

HarrisonExpress 7:41 pm
16 Jan 13
#30

Seems like a huge waste of money for 2 reasons;

1. I agree with PantsMan…who wants to ride down Bunda St anyway?
2. Even if I did want to ride down Bunda St, the traffic moves so slowly its easy to ride on the road!

I’d love to see the Northbourne cycle lane improved with a kerb to keep cars out of the bike lane.

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