No more white Commodores

By 11 December, 2013 43

The Deputy Prime Minister has just informed the House that Holden will be closing Australian operations by 2017.

For the many, many Canberrans who have enjoyed the antics of white Commodore drivers over the years it is a black day.

What will take its place?

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43 Responses to No more white Commodores
#1
howeph2:34 pm, 11 Dec 13

I’ve been struggling to work out where I stand with this issue.

I’m inclined to agree with this article: http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/12/the-case-for-keeping-the-car-industry/

Does anybody have a good link to the counter argument?

#2
MERC6002:43 pm, 11 Dec 13

wow .. big repercussions. Not totally unexpected, but still. Toyata next I suppose.

#3
Grrrr2:46 pm, 11 Dec 13

manufacturing != operations

#4
johnboy2:48 pm, 11 Dec 13

Well, in all seriousness.

The country has sleep walked into a knife fight on currency depreciation. Germany is torturing southern europe to depress the euro and the brit, japanese and americans are printing money to devalue their currencies.

A high dollar in a high wage economy is death to manufactured exports but it appears we prefer cheap holidays in Bali and why wouldn’t we?

The strategic reasons to have a car industry are largely gone.

Unless we also prop up (and perhaps we should) the robotics and silicon industries, to make the whole tool chain, just bashing cars together with rubber mallets and bolting the colour coded components together does not a self-sufficient nation make.

#5
Thumper2:49 pm, 11 Dec 13

You can’t kill a VN Commodore with a stick. They’ll be around for many ayear yet.

#6
PantsMan2:59 pm, 11 Dec 13

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

Great work Treasury!

#7
Grrrr3:12 pm, 11 Dec 13

The place of the Australian-made Holden Commodore large sedan will be taken by another, not so different imported Holden Commodore.

It will be a sedan based on one of GM’s global-platform designs, and possibly even sold as the “all-new Commodore.” Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

#8
howeph3:16 pm, 11 Dec 13

PantsMan said :

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

Great work Treasury!

“It’s the Carbon Tax.” Wrong:

http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/12/tony-abbott/tony-abbott-says-carbon-tax-adds-400-cost-cars-mad/

“It’s FBT changes.” Wrong – they never happened in the end.

Meanwhile, as Johnboy points out, the Australian dollar went up 91% from 2002 to 2012. In global markets this made goods (e.g. cars) 91% more expensive to produce in Australia.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your opinion PantsMan.

#9
dph3:21 pm, 11 Dec 13

PantsMan said :

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

Great work Treasury!

Lol.

#10
pierce3:23 pm, 11 Dec 13

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

#11
PantsMan3:40 pm, 11 Dec 13

PantsMan said :

What will take its place?

Clean energy jobs of the future.

#12
MERC6004:35 pm, 11 Dec 13

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

A bloke a few years ago went for german built

” The Commonwealth car service reflected the break with the past after Whitlam chose
to dispose of the black Bentley C*1, acquired in 1963, that had
served his predecessors, and chose instead to use a white
Mercedes Benz 450 SEL, one of three acquired at the time.”

#13
KB19714:57 pm, 11 Dec 13

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

Because Holden didn’t put in a bid for tender (as reported on the radio this afternoon…..)

#14
Martlark4:57 pm, 11 Dec 13

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

Holden declined to tender for replacing the current fleet. (ABC radio news) And:

http://www.news.com.au/national/bombproof-bmws-will-replace-the-prime-ministers-holden-fleet-of-limousines/story-fncynjr2-1226780185117

#15
gazket5:13 pm, 11 Dec 13

Grrrr said :

The place of the Australian-made Holden Commodore large sedan will be taken by another, not so different imported Holden Commodore.

It will be a sedan based on one of GM’s global-platform designs, and possibly even sold as the “all-new Commodore.” Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

who the hell wants a front wheel drive Impala. Not Australian’s.

Holden could of exported 100,000 VE utes to the U.S. The Yanks were screaming for them. Did they do it, no. Australians designed the new Camaro, did they release it here, no.

The governments also have a part to play as well. Free trade agreements are working well for us aren’t they. Politicians are the only people in Australia that don’t have to stand on their own two feet and feel it’s fine to watch the country’s manufacturing disappear.

After the Commodore goes GM are left with very mediocre cars . Lets take the latest new Malibu , crap name, crap car. Camry size car that chews more petrol than a Commodore. Craptiva and Cruize had more recalls than any other car , The 2002 Cruze they must of sold about 20 of those. Zafaria – just plain shite people mover. Colorado – how ugly can the front of a truck get, not much uglier than this. Barina – I hope this car lasts as long as the fridge . Lemon city

Good luck to the new boss of Holden.

#16
JC5:32 pm, 11 Dec 13

PantsMan said :

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

Great work Treasury!

Crap.

#17
JC5:33 pm, 11 Dec 13

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

Only the C-1 cars.

#18
Deref5:39 pm, 11 Dec 13

Grrrr said :

Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

I had the misfortune to drive a Chevy Impala for a significant distance in the US a few years ago. It was unspeakably awful. American cars are called “boats” not because of the way they look (though they are, in general, unspeakably ugly), but because of the way they handle.

I’m not sure that the Impala had shock absorbers but, if it did, they didn’t work. (Let me stress that this was a brand new rental car). The springs were as soft as the proverbial Catholic choir boy’s bottom, and its cornering ability was, as you’d expect, non-existent.

I’m no fan of Holdens, but the gods preserve us from Impalas.

#19
caf6:11 pm, 11 Dec 13

PantsMan said :

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

If the FBT concessions for cars are supposed to be a way of propping up the local car industry, they’re an inequitable and highly inefficient way of doing so. The FBT arrangements are a rort, and I say that as someone who’s personally benefitted from the rort.

It’d be far more efficient just to give a direct subsidy for locally produced new cars if that’s the idea.

#20
KB19716:51 pm, 11 Dec 13

gazket said :

Craptiva and Cruize had more recalls than any other car

Incorrect, they have had no more recalls than any other car.

#21
Queen_of_the_Bun6:56 pm, 11 Dec 13

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

Do you drink during the day? It was front page of the Daily Tele today, but heaven forbid, it wasn’t actually true.

#22
MERC6007:40 pm, 11 Dec 13

gazket said :

Grrrr said :

The place of the Australian-made Holden Commodore large sedan will be taken by another, not so different imported Holden Commodore.

It will be a sedan based on one of GM’s global-platform designs, and possibly even sold as the “all-new Commodore.” Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

who the hell wants a front wheel drive Impala. Not Australian’s.

Holden could of exported 100,000 VE utes to the U.S. The Yanks were screaming for them. Did they do it, no. Australians designed the new Camaro, did they release it here, no.

The governments also have a part to play as well. Free trade agreements are working well for us aren’t they. Politicians are the only people in Australia that don’t have to stand on their own two feet and feel it’s fine to watch the country’s manufacturing disappear.

After the Commodore goes GM are left with very mediocre cars . Lets take the latest new Malibu , crap name, crap car. Camry size car that chews more petrol than a Commodore. Craptiva and Cruize had more recalls than any other car , The 2002 Cruze they must of sold about 20 of those. Zafaria – just plain shite people mover. Colorado – how ugly can the front of a truck get, not much uglier than this. Barina – I hope this car lasts as long as the fridge . Lemon city

Good luck to the new boss of Holden.

Praise Jehova (and the rest of ‘em )… I am Ford .. how lucky can that be…

#23
Holden Caulfield7:46 pm, 11 Dec 13

Grrrr said :

The place of the Australian-made Holden Commodore large sedan will be taken by another, not so different imported Holden Commodore.

It’s already been replaced, and this is the point that seems to have been largely missed. Ford has been relying on fleet sales for the Falcon for years. Australians now mostly buy Mazda3s, Corollas, i30s or SUVs from varying manufacturers.

The market for large RWD family sedans has remained mostly due to the stubbornness of Ford and Holden trying to relive past glories.

If they were at a nightclub they’d be mutton dressed as leopard.

The only long-term hope for Holden IMO is to rebadge Opels rather than send us Chevrolets. If all we get are shitbox yank tanks they may as well do it properly and kill Holden off altogether.

#24
milkman8:33 pm, 11 Dec 13

Deref said :

Grrrr said :

Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

I had the misfortune to drive a Chevy Impala for a significant distance in the US a few years ago. It was unspeakably awful. American cars are called “boats” not because of the way they look (though they are, in general, unspeakably ugly), but because of the way they handle.

I’m not sure that the Impala had shock absorbers but, if it did, they didn’t work. (Let me stress that this was a brand new rental car). The springs were as soft as the proverbial Catholic choir boy’s bottom, and its cornering ability was, as you’d expect, non-existent.

I’m no fan of Holdens, but the gods preserve us from Impalas.

I too have had the misfortune of driving a recent model Impala. Just terrible. If you haven’t driven a real and recent American car you can’t imagine how bad it is.

#25
CraigT8:37 pm, 11 Dec 13

It’s perfectly simple: instead of giving out handouts to Holden which are then used to subsidise dividend payouts for foreign “investors”, it’s the *government* that needs to be doing the investment.

We don’t need to call it “nationalisation”, because that probably won’t play very well to the right-wing looney-tunes that control every aspect of our mass media.
We can call it “research” and “job-creation schemes”.
We simply use government money to build a 21st-century car manufacturing plant. We then lease it to Holden for a nominal fee.

The building of said carplant will protect (or, more accurately, develop) Australian skills in high-tech, and the fact it was paid for by govenrment will ensure Holden’s margins allow them to continue selling Australian-built cars.

And if they ever cry poor again, instead of handouts, we offer to buy them out and run it as a government business.

In the meantime, the dole needs to be severely trimmed from its ridiculously generous current levels, and similarly the massively-rorted disability benefits needs a complete overhaul, presumably thus shedding 80% of its rorting bludger fake-disabled in the process as happened in the UK.
This should depress wages, making us more competitive.

If we’re feeling sensible, we will then also legislate to tie executive and Director pay levels to worker pay levels. The “if we can’t get decent pay, we’ll just go overseas” crowd can be invited to $#@% off and mis-manage some foreign corporations while cheap executives and directors come onboard to make these local companies even more competitive.

If I ran this country, I’d have it sorted in about 5 years. We’d get good autobahns, but we’d probably have to do away with the media and certainly have to ban all morons from voting. Have a Latin-speaking test to qualify for voting should see us right.

#26
farq8:59 pm, 11 Dec 13

Well if we can’t get big locally made cars in the future, they better drop the import taxes on expensive models so people of average means have more options than small/medium sized hatchbacks.

#27
JessP9:00 pm, 11 Dec 13

Kinda sad, coming from Elizabeth and all but then again I have owned a Holden for 20 years….so I am a part of the problem I guess. Aussies don’t want Holdens.

#28
Antagonist9:47 pm, 11 Dec 13

“What will take its place?”

Hilux driving soccer mums?

#29
staminaman629:52 pm, 11 Dec 13
#30
Sandman10:06 pm, 11 Dec 13

gazket said :

who the hell wants a front wheel drive Impala. Not Australian’s.

Holden could of exported 100,000 VE utes to the U.S. The Yanks were screaming for them. Did they do it, no. Australians designed the new Camaro, did they release it here, no.

The governments also have a part to play as well. Free trade agreements are working well for us aren’t they. Politicians are the only people in Australia that don’t have to stand on their own two feet and feel it’s fine to watch the country’s manufacturing disappear.

After the Commodore goes GM are left with very mediocre cars . Lets take the latest new Malibu , crap name, crap car. Camry size car that chews more petrol than a Commodore. Craptiva and Cruize had more recalls than any other car , The 2002 Cruze they must of sold about 20 of those. Zafaria – just plain shite people mover. Colorado – how ugly can the front of a truck get, not much uglier than this. Barina – I hope this car lasts as long as the fridge . Lemon city

Good luck to the new boss of Holden.

Spot on. It’s not just the Utes that would sell over in the US either. The Caprice would be a big seller (currently offered to law enforcement only in the US) and the brief run of Pontiac badged commodores and Monaro’s are well loved by those that have them.
Aussie built cars are superior in every way to the Yankee ones, except for production cost. Unfortunately we let everyone else push us around and take their crappy hunks of metal, keeping our production volume down and costs high.

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