No noise please, we’re Canberran

By 17 January, 2012 91

Today’s Crimes has it that Summernats, Stonefest and Groovin’ in the Moo copped multiple EPA fines for noise pollution between 2007 and 2011.

Interestingly, the authority warned the Chief Minister’s Department for exceeding noise levels for the 2007 Australia Day Live event, however no further action was taken.

This is why we can’t have exciting things.

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91 Responses to No noise please, we’re Canberran
#1
buzz81910:45 am, 17 Jan 12

In all fairness when these events are held in Canberra, the EPA puts a condition on their permits saying they can’t go above a certain noise level, if they do, they get fined.

Seems fine to me.

#2
Skyring11:00 am, 17 Jan 12

I don’t have to make a lot of noise when I’m having an exciting time. No do I emit a lot of smoke and firecrackers.

Loud concerts are one thing, but just as mowing your lawn at three in the morning is generally frowned upon by the neighbours, loud concerts during the reasonable sleeping hours of nearby residents are antisocial.

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

#3
joeyjojojuniorshabad11:11 am, 17 Jan 12

Skyring said :

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

If the worst thing in your life is putting up with Summernats for one weekend a year, consider yourself fortunate.

#4
buzz81911:13 am, 17 Jan 12

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo said :

Skyring said :

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

If the worst thing in your life is putting up with Summernats for one weekend a year, consider yourself fortunate.

Yeah, we should hold Summernats in the Manuka Taxi Rank.

#5
poetix11:14 am, 17 Jan 12

Skyring said :

I don’t have to make a lot of noise when I’m having an exciting time…

I wish I got the room next to you in hotels.

#6
Skyring11:22 am, 17 Jan 12

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo said :

Skyring said :

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

If the worst thing in your life is putting up with Summernats for one weekend a year, consider yourself fortunate.

That’s like telling someone who has been burgled that they are lucky they weren’t raped as well. Such lucky people!

#7
powerpuffpete11:26 am, 17 Jan 12

Skyring said :

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo said :

Skyring said :

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

If the worst thing in your life is putting up with Summernats for one weekend a year, consider yourself fortunate.

That’s like telling someone who has been burgled that they are lucky they weren’t raped as well. Such lucky people!

Nope, it’s not like that at all.

#8
Skyring11:29 am, 17 Jan 12

buzz819 said :

Yeah, we should hold Summernats in the Manuka Taxi Rank.

There’s only two places in Canberra that are worth “cruising”. The Braddon/Civic area, and Manuka/Kingston. I used to enjoy watching the fancy lowered cars cruise along the speed bumps in Manuka. Every now and then someone from interstate would have their eyes on the cafe tables not the road and hit the big bump on Franklin Street with a satisfying wallop.

#9
Solidarity11:31 am, 17 Jan 12

Skyring said :

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

I’d say a vast majority of Watson residents would have known about Summernats before moving in.

#10
Jim Jones11:36 am, 17 Jan 12

Skyring said :

Problem being, loud concerts now have to be restricted to silly times (ending ridiculously early), and – Canberra has a particular problem with this one – venues that host live music get shut down because residences have moved into the area post-factum and started complaining.

#11
Dork11:44 am, 17 Jan 12

You have got to be kidding me. They chose to live there for my first point, if they have such a big problem with noise, buy a house in the middle of nowhere. People are too sensitive these days. You can’t handle a bit of noise? It’s one week of the year, some of the events listed are one night a year. All of the events list have a finish time of 11-2 at the latest, You are not missing an entire nights sleep. During summernats maybe, but in that case it’s certain people not everybody involved in the event hoons around all night. You need to get your ears checked, they are to sensitive.

#12
KB197112:06 pm, 17 Jan 12

Dork said :

You have got to be kidding me. They chose to live there for my first point, if they have such a big problem with noise, buy a house in the middle of nowhere. People are too sensitive these days. You can’t handle a bit of noise? It’s one week of the year, some of the events listed are one night a year. All of the events list have a finish time of 11-2 at the latest, You are not missing an entire nights sleep. During summernats maybe, but in that case it’s certain people not everybody involved in the event hoons around all night. You need to get your ears checked, they are to sensitive.

I have always wondered this? Which residents are actualy complianing? Is it the ones who line Northbourne/Barton Hwy &/or are within a couple of streets of one of the busiest roads in Canberra? If so then how is the noise really that different?

The residents that are further would defiantely notice an increase as their background noise is less but having said that, these suburbs are in the middle of the busiest part of Canberra. Living in town coes with noise, antisocial behavoir on the other hand is a different thing.

Its appears to be hypocrytical, bit like the residents of Majura whinging about the noise of a drag strip when the airport is right there.

#13
Instant Mash12:12 pm, 17 Jan 12

Sounds like some heads might be better off back up the rear ends from whence they came.

#14
Skyring12:13 pm, 17 Jan 12

Solidarity said :

Skyring said :

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

I’d say a vast majority of Watson residents would have known about Summernats before moving in.

That’s not the point. The residents there are complaining about excessive noise and noxious smoke pollution. Their misery is real. Are we, as a community, so callous that we think it’s okay to inflict unhappiness on a part of the community so that another part can experience pleasure?

#15
Skyring12:20 pm, 17 Jan 12

Dork said :

You have got to be kidding me. They chose to live there for my first point, if they have such a big problem with noise, buy a house in the middle of nowhere. People are too sensitive these days. You can’t handle a bit of noise? It’s one week of the year, some of the events listed are one night a year. All of the events list have a finish time of 11-2 at the latest, You are not missing an entire nights sleep. During summernats maybe, but in that case it’s certain people not everybody involved in the event hoons around all night. You need to get your ears checked, they are to sensitive.

I don’t live in Watson and my hearing degraded long ago. But I like to think that I am sensitive to the unhappiness of other people – for whatever reason – and would like to see them happy and comfortable. I would like to see everybody happy, if at all possible.

#16
Skyring12:23 pm, 17 Jan 12

powerpuffpete said :

Skyring said :

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo said :

Skyring said :

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

If the worst thing in your life is putting up with Summernats for one weekend a year, consider yourself fortunate.

That’s like telling someone who has been burgled that they are lucky they weren’t raped as well. Such lucky people!

Nope, it’s not like that at all.

Telling miserable people that they are lucky? There may be different reasons for the misery, but it’s the same misery, surely?

#17
Dork12:27 pm, 17 Jan 12

That is so silly. Like everybody doesn’t hear a car hooning along their street every now and then? Or someone blasting their music till early morning? It’s the same thing, you just have to deal with it, they are not going to get rid of loud cars or stereos or even people with loud voices anytime soon, so people just suck it up. Why can’t these people? I say have a teaspoon of concrete and harden up.

#18
chewy1412:29 pm, 17 Jan 12

Skyring said :

Solidarity said :

Skyring said :

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

I’d say a vast majority of Watson residents would have known about Summernats before moving in.

That’s not the point. The residents there are complaining about excessive noise and noxious smoke pollution. Their misery is real. Are we, as a community, so callous that we think it’s okay to inflict unhappiness on a part of the community so that another part can experience pleasure?

No, that’s not the point.
Resident complaints should have little bearing on what the EPA does.
Every event should have to comply to set standards and if they break them they should get penalised.

I think myself and a lot of other people would like an order of occupancy rule so that events and venues that were in a location first should not have their restrictions increased when people move closer and closer to where they are.

Interesting that the CMD gets off while other events get fined.

#19
Skyring12:30 pm, 17 Jan 12

KB1971 said :

I have always wondered this? Which residents are actualy complianing? Is it the ones who line Northbourne/Barton Hwy &/or are within a couple of streets of one of the busiest roads in Canberra? If so then how is the noise really that different?

The residents that are further would defiantely notice an increase as their background noise is less but having said that, these suburbs are in the middle of the busiest part of Canberra. Living in town coes with noise, antisocial behavoir on the other hand is a different thing.

Its appears to be hypocrytical, bit like the residents of Majura whinging about the noise of a drag strip when the airport is right there.

I’m guessing that you are a resident of neither place, and are therefore talking from a low level of knowledge about the facts.

My understanding is that the unhappiness with the noise and the smoke is genuine, as are the complaints about them.

#20
G-Fresh12:31 pm, 17 Jan 12

hahaha what a bunch of whingers! Try living in the west bank for a while

#21
Skyring12:33 pm, 17 Jan 12

Dork said :

That is so silly. Like everybody doesn’t hear a car hooning along their street every now and then? Or someone blasting their music till early morning? It’s the same thing, you just have to deal with it, they are not going to get rid of loud cars or stereos or even people with loud voices anytime soon, so people just suck it up. Why can’t these people? I say have a teaspoon of concrete and harden up.

You’re one of Julia’s PR staff. I can tell.

#22
legal_chick8612:39 pm, 17 Jan 12

If you want the quiet life with no noice… move out of town. Better yet – move to Tasmania!

Summernats is for 3 days once a year.. get over it! Go away for the weekend! I am afraid i am with joeyjojojuniorshabad on this!

Skyring – there is a bit of a difference to puttign up with some smoke and noise to being burgled or raped!

Dork – i agree!

#23
Skyring12:48 pm, 17 Jan 12

legal_chick86 said :

If you want the quiet life with no noice… move out of town. Better yet – move to Tasmania!

Summernats is for 3 days once a year.. get over it! Go away for the weekend! I am afraid i am with joeyjojojuniorshabad on this!

Skyring – there is a bit of a difference to puttign up with some smoke and noise to being burgled or raped!!

Indeed. But the unhappiness is the same and it is genuine. Indeed, victims of rape or burglary or pollution or any other misery should get over it. But they should hardly be expected to deal with the same misery over and over through no fault of their own.

Of course, it’s easy to tell other people to move away from their homes, employment, friends, family and community.

But I don’t see these urgers offering to pay for it. That’s not quite so easy.

#24
Skyring12:51 pm, 17 Jan 12

G-Fresh said :

hahaha what a bunch of whingers! Try living in the west bank for a while

Ah yes. This is the same argument as before. Other people have it worse, so you are lucky to be miserable. It is still unconvincing.

#25
Stevian12:56 pm, 17 Jan 12

powerpuffpete said :

Skyring said :

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo said :

Skyring said :

The people I feel most sorry for are those Watson residents who have been putting up with twenty five years of Summernats. Every year we see the same complaints from the same people about noise, smoke, loutish behaviour etc. Where does the government stand on deliberately inflicting misery on these folk, albeit by proxy?

If the worst thing in your life is putting up with Summernats for one weekend a year, consider yourself fortunate.

That’s like telling someone who has been burgled that they are lucky they weren’t raped as well. Such lucky people!

Nope, it’s not like that at all.

Oh yes it is

#26
Stevian12:59 pm, 17 Jan 12

Dork said :

That is so silly. Like everybody doesn’t hear a car hooning along their street every now and then? Or someone blasting their music till early morning? It’s the same thing, you just have to deal with it, they are not going to get rid of loud cars or stereos or even people with loud voices anytime soon, so people just suck it up. Why can’t these people? I say have a teaspoon of concrete and harden up.

You deal with by taking legal recourse to stop it. I’ve had neighbours evicted for making to much noise.

#27
poetix1:15 pm, 17 Jan 12

Stevian said :

Dork said :

That is so silly. Like everybody doesn’t hear a car hooning along their street every now and then? Or someone blasting their music till early morning? It’s the same thing, you just have to deal with it, they are not going to get rid of loud cars or stereos or even people with loud voices anytime soon, so people just suck it up. Why can’t these people? I say have a teaspoon of concrete and harden up.

You deal with by taking legal recourse to stop it. I’ve had neighbours evicted for making to much noise.

What were they doing, laughing? Playing with their kids? Don’t tell me they had (distasteful swallow) pets?

#28
GBT1:29 pm, 17 Jan 12

I live in Watson and, on the whole, Summernats is inconvenient and annoying at the time, but as other people said, you generally accept it’s just four days a year and don’t worry about it too much.

What I didn’t appreciate is the year some idiots came into our complex and decided it would be fun to smash all the lights and use the pool and leave broken bottles etc. everywhere.

It was also fun that the next couple of years we had to pay for security for the complex over Summernats so that it didn’t happen again.

But this year was quite uneventful apart from the usual hoons, loud noise, and people staggering around drunk.

#29
Jivrashia1:46 pm, 17 Jan 12

G-Fresh said :

hahaha what a bunch of whingers! Try living in the west bank for a while

I think this post takes the prize for the biggest pointless dribble, irrespective of whether the poster has lived in the West Bank or not.

#30
Dork2:03 pm, 17 Jan 12

Stevian said :

Dork said :

That is so silly. Like everybody doesn’t hear a car hooning along their street every now and then? Or someone blasting their music till early morning? It’s the same thing, you just have to deal with it, they are not going to get rid of loud cars or stereos or even people with loud voices anytime soon, so people just suck it up. Why can’t these people? I say have a teaspoon of concrete and harden up.

You deal with by taking legal recourse to stop it. I’ve had neighbours evicted for making to much noise.

Wow, it would suck to your neighbour. It depends on the situation, if your neighbours are outside everynight till early morning yelling and playing music, not responding to your asking them to keep it down. That’s fair enough, it’s a serious hit to your lifestyle if you can’t sleep during normal hours. If they did it once or twice every six months, then you are just being unreasonable, and just really quite horrible. Getting someone kicked out because they have a healthy (not crazy wild party animal) social life is really just a crap thing to do to someone. That fact is that these events are yearly not weekly or daily or even monthly. Also, I believe there are only certain things that you can complain about, if they are swearing or there is loud music.

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