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No parks for Crace or Casey?

By 2 November 2010 58

The Liberals’ Brendan Smyth is crying foul over what he sees to be secret plans to rob the people of Crace and Casey of green spaces.

In what some might take to be a crypto-homophopic dig at Labor’s Planning Minister Andrew Barr this is being presented as an attack on families.

“The revelation that ACTPLA and Minister Barr have secretly been developing major changes to the new Gungahlin suburbs of Crace and Casey looks like it means an end of the family home in a family friendly suburb for people in Gungahlin. In one move, Andrew Barr has taken away taken away their oval, and taken their backyards as well,” said Shadow Treasurer Brendan Smyth.

“In the new plans, the playing fields are gone, and hundreds of new dwellings will be crammed into the same space. No more kicking footy with the kids on the field, no more barbies in the back yard.

“Why have these suburbs changed halfway through the developments? Who made that decision? Why was the community not consulted and why was this not put forward when the suburbs where planned and sold to those people looking for a family home in a family friendly neighbourhood?

But it’s worth than that, it’s the end of the Australian dream:

“We’re not against greater density, but it has to be planned for, not sprung on people after they have bought in a new suburb. The decision and the process are both a disgrace. This secretive, underhanded move by ACTPLA and Minister Barr could turn the great Australian dream into a never-ending nightmare,” said Mr Smyth.

UPDATE: But wait! One release isn’t enough! Mr Smyth also wants Mr Barr to man up to families!

“I am calling on the Minister to show some guts. I am calling on the Minister to show the families of Gungahlin the same level of interest is showing the inner north. Come out of hiding and explain to the community why this is the right decision for the future of our city

“I look forward to hearing from Mr Barr soon,” Mr Smyth said.

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58 Responses to No parks for Crace or Casey?
#1
Deref5:09 pm, 02 Nov 10

More room for McMansions and faux-Tuscan villas. What’s not to like?

#2
Common Sense5:31 pm, 02 Nov 10

If I had bought in Crace or Casey I’d be pretty unhappy with Andrew Barr right now. What has this government got against Gungahlin?

#3
Captain RAAF5:44 pm, 02 Nov 10

Anyone who bought in Crace or Casey with the expectation of having large parks and other green areas to ‘play’ in must have signed on the bottom line without ever taking a look at the surrounding neighborhoods.

Gungahlin region is basically a refugee camp built on the sly. We’ll all be reading about that area, for all the wrong reasons, for decades to come.

Glad I got out when I did.

#4
Mr Evil6:13 pm, 02 Nov 10

Gunghalin – Canberra’s own Sadr City.

I wonder if Andy will have a little cry about this round of criticism on Facebook too?

#5
vg6:44 pm, 02 Nov 10

I see the renters are persisting in their Gungahlin commentary

#6
luther_bendross6:57 pm, 02 Nov 10

Captain RAAF said :

Anyone who bought in Crace or Casey with the expectation of having large parks and other green areas to ‘play’ in must have signed on the bottom line without ever taking a look at the surrounding neighborhoods.

+1

It was fairly obvious what Crace and Casey we to become, and Forde to follow. If you want a backyard and room to move, take your $450k+ and move somewhere that’s not Gungahlin. If you can’t read a planning map don’t buy a house.

#7
housebound7:23 pm, 02 Nov 10

I’ll have to admit complete ignorance on this – what is “a crypto-homophopic dig”? Is there something about the gay community and backyards?

#8
Hosinator7:29 pm, 02 Nov 10

Captain RAAF said :

Gungahlin region is basically a refugee camp built on the sly. We’ll all be reading about that area, for all the wrong reasons, for decades to come. Glad I got out when I did.

+1

I’m waiting for the government to install a tall electric fence around that area.

Captain RAAF, any chance on having the place re-zoned as a bomb testing range for our wonderful Air Force? :-)

#9
affordable8:08 pm, 02 Nov 10

they did the same in Forde, 700 blocks became 1200, the big question is if a large amount of money is being exchanged to increase the density from the original purchase of the land or is this a normal way for the developers to make 3 times more and make the desperate homebuyers live in slums

#10
gospeedygo8:46 pm, 02 Nov 10

Captain RAAF said :

Anyone who bought in Crace or Casey with the expectation of having large parks and other green areas to ‘play’ in must have signed on the bottom line without ever taking a look at the surrounding neighborhoods.

Gungahlin region is basically a refugee camp built on the sly. We’ll all be reading about that area, for all the wrong reasons, for decades to come.

Glad I got out when I did.

I live in Ngunnawal, I can see a shit load of green from my window and it goes for quite a way.

#11
sepi9:19 pm, 02 Nov 10

This is terrible! I thought the whole point of high density / sustainable suburbs was to have plenty of community space for exercise and team sports etc, as people will not have backyards.

What happened to ‘walkability’ John? Looks like Gungahlinites will all be driving to Dickson oval….

#12
Chop719:19 pm, 02 Nov 10

WOW, this is a shocker. When you only have on average 400m blocks and then they take away your park or oval to build more houses ….grr

I guess the saying “they don’t build em like they used too” stands true for block sizes and established houses too.

#13
Chop719:27 pm, 02 Nov 10

Do you guys reckon they will try too move the ACT border North or West for future development or keep building south of Tuggies? Are there any plans for the next satelite city? (I hope not under the airport)

maybe we might even get light rail before they invent a teleporter

#14
arescarti4210:11 pm, 02 Nov 10

Chop71 said :

WOW, this is a shocker. When you only have on average 400m blocks and then they take away your park or oval to build more houses ….grr

I’m happy to be corrected, but from what I’ve read, it sounds like the oval is being replaced with “landscaped open space for local recreation”, not additional houses. I suspect they might be making blocks smaller to fit in the additional homes, or increasing the townhouse to detached house ratio.

I’d like to know why people think Gungahlin will be a future slum. I’d be putting bets on Tuggeranong, it is completely car dependent and way further out from the city than Gungahlin.

Chop71 said :

Do you guys reckon they will try too move the ACT border North or West for future development or keep building south of Tuggies? Are there any plans for the next satelite city? (I hope not under the airport)

maybe we might even get light rail before they invent a teleporter

The next satellite city will be Molonglo, north of Weston and south of Belconnen. Between Molonglo and Gungahlin, there is probably capacity for another 20 or 30 years.

After that, Kowen Forest in the east is earmarked for 8000-28000 homes (i.e. 20,000-80,000 people).

As far as a rail system in the short to medium term, as long as Stanhope is in government, I don’t think there’s a chance.

#15
Deref7:28 am, 03 Nov 10

Captain RAAF said :

Gungahlin region is basically a refugee camp built on the sly. We’ll all be reading about that area, for all the wrong reasons, for decades to come.

+1

#16
captainwhorebags7:48 am, 03 Nov 10

More housing blocks = more stamp duty revenue. It’s not just the developers making a motza from this.

#17
georgesgenitals7:49 am, 03 Nov 10

If true, this is a real shame. I’m not a fan of Crace (or indeed Gungahlin), but this was an opportunity to try something new, and although not my cup of tea it could have been really nice for a lot of people. This sort of behaviour by government really stuffs things up, though.

#18
Captain RAAF7:49 am, 03 Nov 10

gospeedygo said :

Captain RAAF said :

I live in Ngunnawal, I can see a shit load of green from my window and it goes for quite a way.

Of course you can, that’s what blinkers are for! I lived in Ngunnawal also mate and had fine views, access to nice parks etc but the natives that lived on the border were growing restless and the signs of impending doom appeared more frequently, so I packed up the wagon and got the hell out of Dodge!

One thing i’ll hand to the filth, they don’t shit in their own nest, so the slum dwellers of Crace, Casey, Forde, and Gungers will find their fun somewhere nearby so Ngungers, Amaroo and Nicholls watch out!

And before someone gets on here and says “If you look at the crime rates for such and such….and every suburb has it’s filth etc etc..” remember, that’s the situation now, give it 5 years it will be a totally different story.

#19
miz8:02 am, 03 Nov 10

Arescarti42, you said ‘Tuggeranong, it is completely car dependent and way further out from the city than Gungahlin.’

Car dependent? Way further out? WRONG! I commute 25 mins on the bus from Chisholm to Barton a day, which has to be better than going the GDE, as most Gunghettoites do. AND I have pets, a vegie patch and a lovely garden in my decent-sized yard. I don’t hear my neighbours’ arguments or toilets flushing either. Frankly, low density rocks and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

But shhh – I don’t wish to tell anyone how great it is, or everyone will want to move here! PS I never need to go into to Civic, so, ‘care factor’ re proximity anyway.

It appears that a lot of northsiders have never actually been to Tuggers and have no idea.

#20
Noezis8:04 am, 03 Nov 10

Anyway what are you all complaining about, Gungahlin is the first place to receive the NBN in Canberra, whilst us poor sods living on 1000 sqm plus blocks of land backing a reserve and with parks at the end of the street and ovals on the next corner have to deal with ADSL connections.
What an outrage.

#21
amarooresident38:36 am, 03 Nov 10

1. It’s Brendan Smyth so it is unlikely to be true.

2. If people are paying 450 grand plus for homes I’d suggest they are unlikely to be ‘slums’. Just normal everyday people trying to make a life for themselves and their families.

3. Finally, to all the Gungahlin haters – f*ck you.

#22
Common Sense8:58 am, 03 Nov 10

Luther_bendros said “If you can’t read a planning map don’t buy a house.”

The point is that Andrew Barr has changed the plans after people bought the land.

#23
carnardly9:00 am, 03 Nov 10

I heard John Stanhope on the radio this morning about this. People who have bought in Crace 1, 2 and 3 are not affected in any way he says (I don’t know enough about the issue to comment).

Crace 4 – which has not yet been sold, is the only part that these changes affect. Basically, he talked about the number of single ovals around the place that don’t get used (eg school ovals and the like) and that its not worth having a single one cos it won’t be used by serious sports clubs and will end up just being a blank bit of land for dog walkers etc.

#24
johnboy9:02 am, 03 Nov 10

It’s a worry if you have to be in an organised sports team to qualify as an oval user.

#25
p19:25 am, 03 Nov 10

So, hypothetically, on a sunny Saturday afternoon I want to take the kids down the oval to fly a kite, kick a footy, or do some other activity which takes more room then my back yard (let alone the tiny backyards of new suburbs). The multi oval locations will all will all be covered in under twelve’s football, hockey of something of the like will they not? I assume I’ll be able to get them to give up half the oval so I can fly my kite?

#26
Captain RAAF9:26 am, 03 Nov 10

johnboy said :

It’s a worry if you have to be in an organised sports team to qualify as an oval user.

and that just being a dog walker etc isn’t good enough for a patch of grass to walk on…

#27
arescarti429:41 am, 03 Nov 10

miz said :

Arescarti42, you said ‘Tuggeranong, it is completely car dependent and way further out from the city than Gungahlin.’

Car dependent? Way further out? WRONG! I commute 25 mins on the bus from Chisholm to Barton a day, which has to be better than going the GDE, as most Gunghettoites do.no idea.

It is way further out, just look at a map. It is the only district in Canberra located further than 13km from the city.

Anyone who disputes the car dependency of Tuggeranong relative to the rest of Canberra needs to look at this public transportation map from the ABS. Tuggeranong has the lowest public transport usage of any area with the exception of Queanbeyan, which doesn’t have a subsidised bus system.

The express bus might get you to work in 25 minutes, but any other bus is going to take forever to cover the swath of suburbia and travel the massive distances to anywhere worth going.

#28
Keijidosha9:42 am, 03 Nov 10

Think that you’re getting open space? Crace will change that.

#29
sepi9:59 am, 03 Nov 10

Wow – the ACT govt had it in for gardeners, and now they are against anyone who wants to walk their dog, teach kids to ride a bike or fly kites etc.

So – did Jon give up any info on what the ‘landscaped green space’ is actually going. Becuase for mine usually ‘landscaped’ is code for ‘look but don’t walk on it’ acres of tanbark or gravel and some rows of ugly grass-like plants.

On Tuggers – nice wide roads, big blocks, access to the river, fantastic views. A handful of km further out than the rest of canberra, but better roads in and less congested traffic. The main problem is people from northside won’t go there.

#30
Thumper10:00 am, 03 Nov 10

More housing blocks = more stamp duty revenue. It’s not just the developers making a motza from this

Sadly this government is reliant on land sales to raise revenue so expect more of the same.

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