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Parking, Parents with Prams Style

By gentoopenguin - 12 November 2012 156

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More often than not when I go to park in the Parents with Pram spots they are taken by people with no baby seat/capsule attachments on the back seat. I am used to seeing this disregard with legally designated parking like disabled spots so I don’t even blink when it comes to Parents with Prams. Yet this car today made me do a double take. The owners can’t even pretend to passing cars that there could possibly be a baby seat in it (unlike the equally guilty Hyandai Elantra that was parked in the other occupied spot).

Before I am called all sorts of charming names by trolls, in this particular instance we are talking about three modest Parents with Pram spots on the top level of the Canberra Centre carpark near Dendy. It is hardly a takeover from fascist NIMBY breeders.

And there is a purpose to these spots – they are wider than the standard spot so you can open the door enough to get a baby capsule out or an unwieldy toddler into a pram. I have learnt from experience that if all that is left are narrow spots with poles in them then its best to just drive out, as that capsule ain’t moving anywhere.

So to all those people out there who park in Parents with Prams and think they aren’t inconveniencing anyone, think again. It’s not nice manners!

What’s Your opinion?


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Parking, Parents with Prams Style
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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 3:47 pm
12 Nov 12
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devils_advocate said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You should be greatful for parents with pram spaces. The wider parks mean I don’t have to open my door into yours and scratch or dent your car when you park to close and I need to get my kids in(this happens a lot)

Translation: Because I have children I am more than willing to intentionally vandalise your car, or negligently allow those under my care to do so. Accordingly, you should afford me special privileges, and be happy about doing so, even at the expense of your own convenience, so as to prevent me from engaging in vandalism.

With the quality of that logic you could be an ACT magistrate.

Sounds like you are one of those who parks too close to cars with baby seats in them and has a dinged car door. It’s not vandalism if its your own fault.

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NoImRight 3:55 pm
12 Nov 12
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devils_advocate said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

………………….

Did someone say something ?

It’s amazing anyone pre 1990 is still alive…. like all those safety issues …… dropping balls, running through the house with scissors, eating lead paint ….. OMFG ……

Plenty of typing, not much TALKING. Derrrrrr.

Read….. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Road%20safety%20%284.9.2%29

My bad. It’s for the greater good, is that too much talking for you ?

It’s not for the greater good.

Firstly I don’t accept the premise that these new spaces are required for safety, what is required is the same common sense by everybody that allowed previous generations to survive without “PWP” spaces.

Secondly, even if it is a safety issue, don’t for a second pretend it is society’s problem. Breeding creates purely private benefits for parents, and externalises costs (of which this is just one more) on the rest of the population. We don’t really need children from any societal perspective. It is far more efficient to import fully grown, and healthy, labour units from overseas and have then turn up ready to work and pay taxes.

So speaking for myself, feel free not to do me any favours.

Geebus we are talking about a couple of parking spaces being set aside to help people with a particular problem.Is that really making such a big impact on your fragile existence? How about just letting someone else have a very, very minor concession just because it will help them even if it does nothing for you?

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CanberraMum 3:57 pm
12 Nov 12
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I love the PWP, rarely ever get one, but certainly helps when all the other car spaces are too small to actually open the door and get children in and out of the car! I cringingly remember an incident in Woden once, with unhappy toddler, and small baby in baby seat, whilst I couldn’t actually get the car door open enough to fit the baby capsule in, because a moron had parked over the line next to me. So I had to ask a complete stranger to hold/mind my by this time struggling kids, whilst I reversed the car backwards in order to open the doors to get them in….jammed up the car-park, I was in tears, the kids were in tears, and that was the end of my trips to the shops unless I could find deserted parking areas with spaces next to them….p.s – I don’t mind the walk from a PWP, and I don’t care if they are a long distance away (they don’t need to be at the front)…and it ain’t my fault the Government reg’s now require car-seats that are asteroid impact survivable, cost $550 and have to cocoon my child for the first 7 yrs….

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allyroger 4:05 pm
12 Nov 12
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“Geebus we are talking about a couple of parking spaces being set aside to help people with a particular problem.Is that really making such a big impact on your fragile existence? How about just letting someone else have a very, very minor concession just because it will help them even if it does nothing for you?”

Amen to that.

Devils_advocate – Remember someone had to be a “breeder” to give your sorry personage existence at some point. An act that we are all eternally grateful for.

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esp 4:47 pm
12 Nov 12
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****** WARNING — THIS POST MAY CONTAIN SARCASM *******

devils_advocate said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

Pitchka said :

………………….

Did someone say something ?

It’s amazing anyone pre 1990 is still alive…. like all those safety issues …… dropping balls, running through the house with scissors, eating lead paint ….. OMFG ……

Plenty of typing, not much TALKING. Derrrrrr.

Read….. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Road%20safety%20%284.9.2%29

My bad. It’s for the greater good, is that too much talking for you ?

It’s not for the greater good.

Firstly I don’t accept the premise that these new spaces are required for safety, what is required is the same common sense by everybody that allowed previous generations to survive without “PWP” spaces.

Secondly, even if it is a safety issue, don’t for a second pretend it is society’s problem. Breeding creates purely private benefits for parents, and externalises costs (of which this is just one more) on the rest of the population. We don’t really need children from any societal perspective. It is far more efficient to import fully grown, and healthy, labour units from overseas and have then turn up ready to work and pay taxes.

So speaking for myself, feel free not to do me any favours.

I agree with everything you said.

devils_advocate said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

Pitchka said :

………………….

Did someone say something ?

It’s amazing anyone pre 1990 is still alive…. like all those safety issues …… dropping balls, running through the house with scissors, eating lead paint ….. OMFG ……

Plenty of typing, not much TALKING. Derrrrrr.

Read….. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Road%20safety%20%284.9.2%29

My bad. It’s for the greater good, is that too much talking for you ?

It’s not for the greater good.

Firstly I don’t accept the premise that these new spaces are required for safety, what is required is the same common sense by everybody that allowed previous generations to survive without “PWP” spaces.

Secondly, even if it is a safety issue, don’t for a second pretend it is society’s problem. Breeding creates purely private benefits for parents, and externalises costs (of which this is just one more) on the rest of the population. We don’t really need children from any societal perspective. It is far more efficient to import fully grown, and healthy, labour units from overseas and have then turn up ready to work and pay taxes.

So speaking for myself, feel free not to do me any favours.

Geebus we are talking about a couple of parking spaces being set aside to help people with a particular problem.Is that really making such a big impact on your fragile existence? How about just letting someone else have a very, very minor concession just because it will help them even if it does nothing for you?

Yes, the problem is people like Pitchka are allowed to breed….. and then require car spaces close to stuff so they don’t become a burden on society by engagin in vandalism…..

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gazket 4:48 pm
12 Nov 12
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We need Man buying beer parking too.

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devils_advocate 4:58 pm
12 Nov 12
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allyroger said :

“Geebus we are talking about a couple of parking spaces being set aside to help people with a particular problem.Is that really making such a big impact on your fragile existence? How about just letting someone else have a very, very minor concession just because it will help them even if it does nothing for you?”

Amen to that.

Devils_advocate – Remember someone had to be a “breeder” to give your sorry personage existence at some point. An act that we are all eternally grateful for.

Yes, and she did it without expecting society to bow down before the seemingly insurmountable obstacles that attended child rearing (4 of them, no less).

I always knew that breeders had developed a sense of entitlement, but in addition I now know that:
1) regardless of whether I park legally or not, it’s totally fine for someone to vandalise my vehicle so long as they have visible signs of carrying kids in their car, which I am expected to look for each time I find an available car park, and presumably either disregard that carpark or implicitly agree to having my car vandalised;
2) Even though I fully agree that disabled persons should get wider/closer carparks, the fact that I think the line should be drawn at breeders (with no other disability) makes me contemptible. Fair enough.

I look forward to the ideal society where people are assigned rankings based on ever-increasing level of granularity, determining their entitlement to a park based on their percieved level of mobility. So closest will be the disabled spots, then PWP spots. Then the spots for people who “need” to drive an SUV. Then then next 3 rows will be for people with slightly shorter legs. Then a couple of rows for unaccompanied women who feel unsafe walking through car parks. Then smokers. Then at least 10 rows of wider spaces dedicated to people that just aren’t that good at parking (this will be in high use in Canberra). Then another row for people that are a bit tired today and don’t really feel like walking that far. The another row for people that bought a whole bunch of stuff and it’s going to be a bit hard for them to carry it all to the car.

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gentoopenguin 5:06 pm
12 Nov 12
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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You should be greatful for parents with pram spaces. The wider parks mean I don’t have to open my door into yours and scratch or dent your car when you park to close and I need to get my kids in(this happens a lot)

+1

It astounds me how many ignorant and rude people troll this site. I wonder if you would call my child “crotch fruit” to my face or assume I drive a Japanese SUV? Worse still, people seemingly can’t read or choose not to so they can have a dig at someone they don’t know. My original post said nothing about convienence other than being able to open the door wide enough to get a newborn capsule out, which really is more of a must than a convienence…

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 5:45 pm
12 Nov 12
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devils_advocate said :

allyroger said :

“BREEDERS R GROSS GO SUFFER AND DIE U HAD KIDS NOW NEVA LAEVE UR HOUS.

Why so mutch hatred for children? Are you infertile and bitter? Can’t find a willing lover? Someone cut your grass and got pregnant? I do not understand and I have never heard some one use the term breeder in such a derogatory way. Weird. Settle down and enjoy life instead of worrying about kids.
Or you just a troll?

And lol at you whining about canberras parking when you pretty much admited you park to close to other cars.

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Evil_Kitten 5:48 pm
12 Nov 12
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devils_advocate said :

Pitchka said :

You make a great point, i digress. From now on, spots reserved for Senior Citizens are no longer for the elderly. Here i come!!!! And if anyone says anything, ill be sure to remind them that being old does not entitle you to special parking privelages, i should not be inconvenienced.

I wasn’t aware there were spots reserved for senior citizens per se. I was aware that being old often exposes people to conditions that render them disabled (i.e. many users of disabled spots happen to be elderly) but I wasn’t aware people were getting special spots based purely on their age. I was about to ask how such a thing could be policed, but suppose people like the OP, who were checking for anchor points on the alfa, would take it upon themselves to check the ID of anyone getting out of a car that didn’t bear the requisite physical hallmarks of such advanced aged (Given I didn’t know these spots existed, I obviously don’t know what that age is).

But in any case, if an elderly person had mobility issues, this would be covered under the disability scheme.

In that basis, since mobility challenged individuals are already catered for, I agree that there should not be parking reserved for seniors who are otherwise mobile, i.e. based purely on the fact they are seniors.

The only place I have seen them is in the underground car park at Manuka under Coles. Perhaps there’s a lot of oldies around Manuka/Red Hill.

As for the PWP, I won’t park in them because I like to do the right thing, but I would suggest that if parents really need the extra room and safety that there are always alternatives, this is Canberra after all. For example, at Woden, park in the original multi story car park up the top. Half the spots are always empty. Enter via David Jones. I would say there is a similar alternative at most shopping centres. It’s not like you’re trying to park on George Street in Sydney.

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Whitworth Spanner 5:49 pm
12 Nov 12
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gazket said :

We need Man buying beer parking too.

In response to the brainless “Baby on board” signs I am tempted to make a “Six cartons of stubbies on board. You hit, you pay” sign.

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schmeah 5:57 pm
12 Nov 12
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I’d have more sympathy if half the parents with prams I saw getting about didn’t have a car the size of Texas .. impossible for anyone, pram or not, get in or out of while staying within the yellow lines and not hitting bollards.

I’m not calling you names but honestly, aren’t all the tax payer hand-outs enough already without a designated car space.

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schmeah 6:09 pm
12 Nov 12
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devils_advocate said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

………………….

Did someone say something ?

It’s amazing anyone pre 1990 is still alive…. like all those safety issues …… dropping balls, running through the house with scissors, eating lead paint ….. OMFG ……

Plenty of typing, not much TALKING. Derrrrrr.

Read….. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Road%20safety%20%284.9.2%29

My bad. It’s for the greater good, is that too much talking for you ?

It’s not for the greater good.

Firstly I don’t accept the premise that these new spaces are required for safety, what is required is the same common sense by everybody that allowed previous generations to survive without “PWP” spaces.

Secondly, even if it is a safety issue, don’t for a second pretend it is society’s problem. Breeding creates purely private benefits for parents, and externalises costs (of which this is just one more) on the rest of the population. We don’t really need children from any societal perspective. It is far more efficient to import fully grown, and healthy, labour units from overseas and have then turn up ready to work and pay taxes.

So speaking for myself, feel free not to do me any favours.

Excellent point … (I will digress a bit) .. while I’m not begrudging anyone the right to have children, it does bother me that when we;re told the baby bonus is for, amongst other reasons, boosting productivity via population .. why do we persist in making adoption so freaking impossible. People spend years, and thousands of dollars in chasing red tape and meeting eligibility just to be able to adopt a child from a neglectful/abusive Australian family or from a life in an orphanage overseas; wouldn’t these children make excellent citizens too if they were given every opportunity to excel in the right environment? Instead citizens who willy-nilly pump a couple out, nearly all with the best intentions of course, are given a couple of grand each time. The message seems to be take the hand-out no matter what .. the rest of you get in line with the hundreds of others who will wait years for a much wanted baby. Although you talk about ‘fully grown people’ .. maybe my point is relevant still.

Noting this isn’t a policy forum .. end spray.

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esp 6:23 pm
12 Nov 12
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gazket said :

We need Man buying beer parking too.

Will you marry me ?

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devils_advocate 6:54 pm
12 Nov 12
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gazket said :

We need Man buying beer parking too.

Also more drive-through bottle shops. Does the one in hawker still exist?

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