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Parking, Parents with Prams Style

By gentoopenguin - 12 November 2012 156

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More often than not when I go to park in the Parents with Pram spots they are taken by people with no baby seat/capsule attachments on the back seat. I am used to seeing this disregard with legally designated parking like disabled spots so I don’t even blink when it comes to Parents with Prams. Yet this car today made me do a double take. The owners can’t even pretend to passing cars that there could possibly be a baby seat in it (unlike the equally guilty Hyandai Elantra that was parked in the other occupied spot).

Before I am called all sorts of charming names by trolls, in this particular instance we are talking about three modest Parents with Pram spots on the top level of the Canberra Centre carpark near Dendy. It is hardly a takeover from fascist NIMBY breeders.

And there is a purpose to these spots – they are wider than the standard spot so you can open the door enough to get a baby capsule out or an unwieldy toddler into a pram. I have learnt from experience that if all that is left are narrow spots with poles in them then its best to just drive out, as that capsule ain’t moving anywhere.

So to all those people out there who park in Parents with Prams and think they aren’t inconveniencing anyone, think again. It’s not nice manners!

What’s Your opinion?


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Parking, Parents with Prams Style
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Pork Hunt 6:58 pm
12 Nov 12
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esp said :

gazket said :

We need Man buying beer parking too.

Will you marry me ?

Do I get a look in, you harlot? :-)

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dixyland 7:21 pm
12 Nov 12
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I rarely even bother trying to try to park in those parents car parks myself, I just try and get any car park I can at most shopping centres and just walk with the pram the rest of the way. I prefer to save those for the infirm or lazy. Saying that, I think you’re a scumbag if you park there if you don’t have kids with you or are picking them up. I bet the same oxygen thieves park in Disabled carparks.

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seanneko 7:32 pm
12 Nov 12
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I love parents with prams spots. I can park right next to the door while everyone else circles around looking for another spot.

We never had them when I was a kid (and I’m only in my 20s), nor did we have things like 40km/h school zones, but there was obviously such a huge massacre of children that we had to bring it all in.

I propose using cotton wool rather than concrete in new car parks. If anyone trips over, they’re less likely to hurt themselves.

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caf 8:08 pm
12 Nov 12
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I’ve observed in the past that only two types of people park in the Parents With Prams spots: those wrangling children, and jerks. Being that jerks outnumber everyone else in the population by a large margin, this means that most people parking there are jerks, and so to a first approximation such spots are essentially Reserved Jerk Parking.

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Piratepete 8:09 pm
12 Nov 12
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I cannot believe the amount of hate there seems to be against people who have kids on here. What a bitter view on life you people must have.

I park in PWP spots when available (I have a 4 yo and 2yo) due to the fact I feel safe in the knowledge that my 2 yo can sit in the pram at the side of the car while my 4yo gets in and I buckle him up, rather than leaving the pram at the rear of the car to possibly get hit by someone driving too close or on their mobile phone and not watching properly.

I always try to park next to an empty spot in normal width carparks for a bit more room. I don’t mind walking the extra amount its more about having the room to get kids/shopping/pram in safely.

Its just inconsiderate and selfish if you park in one of these spots without needing the extra space for a reason. Imagine if we all just parked wherever we want – do you really have to have the threat of being booked to stop doing it or would these people just park where ever they like regardless anyway?

Just drive up onto the sidewalk in front of woolies if you are truly that lazy and have a such a disregard for anyone but you.

So much for the ‘it takes a village to raise a child’.

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 8:24 pm
12 Nov 12
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Evil_Kitten said :

devils_advocate said :

Pitchka said :

You make a great point, i digress. From now on, spots reserved for Senior Citizens are no longer for the elderly. Here i come!!!! And if anyone says anything, ill be sure to remind them that being old does not entitle you to special parking privelages, i should not be inconvenienced.

I wasn’t aware there were spots reserved for senior citizens per se. I was aware that being old often exposes people to conditions that render them disabled (i.e. many users of disabled spots happen to be elderly) but I wasn’t aware people were getting special spots based purely on their age. I was about to ask how such a thing could be policed, but suppose people like the OP, who were checking for anchor points on the alfa, would take it upon themselves to check the ID of anyone getting out of a car that didn’t bear the requisite physical hallmarks of such advanced aged (Given I didn’t know these spots existed, I obviously don’t know what that age is).

But in any case, if an elderly person had mobility issues, this would be covered under the disability scheme.

In that basis, since mobility challenged individuals are already catered for, I agree that there should not be parking reserved for seniors who are otherwise mobile, i.e. based purely on the fact they are seniors.

The only place I have seen them is in the underground car park at Manuka under Coles. Perhaps there’s a lot of oldies around Manuka/Red Hill.

As for the PWP, I won’t park in them because I like to do the right thing, but I would suggest that if parents really need the extra room and safety that there are always alternatives, this is Canberra after all. For example, at Woden, park in the original multi story car park up the top. Half the spots are always empty. Enter via David Jones. I would say there is a similar alternative at most shopping centres. It’s not like you’re trying to park on George Street in Sydney.

SHHHHHHH DON’T GIVE THIS GEM OF A SPOT AWAY!!!

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 8:27 pm
12 Nov 12
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schmeah said :

devils_advocate said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

………………….

Did someone say something ?

It’s amazing anyone pre 1990 is still alive…. like all those safety issues …… dropping balls, running through the house with scissors, eating lead paint ….. OMFG ……

Plenty of typing, not much TALKING. Derrrrrr.

Read….. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Road%20safety%20%284.9.2%29

My bad. It’s for the greater good, is that too much talking for you ?

It’s not for the greater good.

Firstly I don’t accept the premise that these new spaces are required for safety, what is required is the same common sense by everybody that allowed previous generations to survive without “PWP” spaces.

Secondly, even if it is a safety issue, don’t for a second pretend it is society’s problem. Breeding creates purely private benefits for parents, and externalises costs (of which this is just one more) on the rest of the population. We don’t really need children from any societal perspective. It is far more efficient to import fully grown, and healthy, labour units from overseas and have then turn up ready to work and pay taxes.

So speaking for myself, feel free not to do me any favours.

Excellent point … (I will digress a bit) .. while I’m not begrudging anyone the right to have children, it does bother me that when we;re told the baby bonus is for, amongst other reasons, boosting productivity via population .. why do we persist in making adoption so freaking impossible. People spend years, and thousands of dollars in chasing red tape and meeting eligibility just to be able to adopt a child from a neglectful/abusive Australian family or from a life in an orphanage overseas; wouldn’t these children make excellent citizens too if they were given every opportunity to excel in the right environment? Instead citizens who willy-nilly pump a couple out, nearly all with the best intentions of course, are given a couple of grand each time. The message seems to be take the hand-out no matter what .. the rest of you get in line with the hundreds of others who will wait years for a much wanted baby. Although you talk about ‘fully grown people’ .. maybe my point is relevant still.

Noting this isn’t a policy forum .. end spray.

This I am down with. Completely agree.

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niknak 8:59 pm
12 Nov 12
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#firstworldproblem

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thatsnotme 9:49 pm
12 Nov 12
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niknak said :

#firstworldproblem

Feel free to move to the 3rd world, so you don’t have to suffer through these issues any longer.

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Henry82 10:16 pm
12 Nov 12
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having kids is an option, being disabled (generally) isn’t.

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TheDancingDjinn 10:20 pm
12 Nov 12
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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

schmeah said :

devils_advocate said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

esp said :

Pitchka said :

………………….

Did someone say something ?

It’s amazing anyone pre 1990 is still alive…. like all those safety issues …… dropping balls, running through the house with scissors, eating lead paint ….. OMFG ……

Plenty of typing, not much TALKING. Derrrrrr.

Read….. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Road%20safety%20%284.9.2%29

My bad. It’s for the greater good, is that too much talking for you ?

It’s not for the greater good.

Firstly I don’t accept the premise that these new spaces are required for safety, what is required is the same common sense by everybody that allowed previous generations to survive without “PWP” spaces.

Secondly, even if it is a safety issue, don’t for a second pretend it is society’s problem. Breeding creates purely private benefits for parents, and externalises costs (of which this is just one more) on the rest of the population. We don’t really need children from any societal perspective. It is far more efficient to import fully grown, and healthy, labour units from overseas and have then turn up ready to work and pay taxes.

So speaking for myself, feel free not to do me any favours.

Excellent point … (I will digress a bit) .. while I’m not begrudging anyone the right to have children, it does bother me that when we;re told the baby bonus is for, amongst other reasons, boosting productivity via population .. why do we persist in making adoption so freaking impossible. People spend years, and thousands of dollars in chasing red tape and meeting eligibility just to be able to adopt a child from a neglectful/abusive Australian family or from a life in an orphanage overseas; wouldn’t these children make excellent citizens too if they were given every opportunity to excel in the right environment? Instead citizens who willy-nilly pump a couple out, nearly all with the best intentions of course, are given a couple of grand each time. The message seems to be take the hand-out no matter what .. the rest of you get in line with the hundreds of others who will wait years for a much wanted baby. Although you talk about ‘fully grown people’ .. maybe my point is relevant still.

Noting this isn’t a policy forum .. end spray.

This I am down with. Completely agree.

I agree about the adoption thing, but I’d like to point out that adopters get the baby bonus too and paid parental leave and all the goodies those who have birthed naturally get ( and I like that they do, I wouldn’t have it any other way).
Adoption from places such a Vietnam are quite good to adopt from as our country allows those children, also children from Korea, but you have to be very wealthy to adopt from Korea.

I happen to know all this because I was told I could not have babies of my own….. It just do happens that I found out later that they were wrong as I was 27 weeks pregnant

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Charlie57 10:45 pm
12 Nov 12
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devils_advocate said :

It’s not for the greater good.

Firstly I don’t accept the premise that these new spaces are required for safety, what is required is the same common sense by everybody that allowed previous generations to survive without “PWP” spaces.

I concede that they aren’t _required_ for safety. I do think they enhance safety – would you agree, or do you contend that they are 100% a convenience thing?

Did you grow up wearing seatbelts? Did your parents? Do you wear one now? Sometimes, we introduce new safety concepts (and new concepts in general) that weren’t around in previous generations. That doesn’t mean we are getting soft, or that the previous generations worked miracles by surviving, it just means that someone had a new idea.

devils_advocate said :

Secondly, even if it is a safety issue, don’t for a second pretend it is society’s problem. Breeding creates purely private benefits for parents, and externalises costs (of which this is just one more) on the rest of the population. We don’t really need children from any societal perspective. It is far more efficient to import fully grown, and healthy, labour units from overseas and have then turn up ready to work and pay taxes.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow. If you are importing fully grown people in to your society, you realise that they were once children too? You realise that your society still requires children to be born, you just don’t want anything to do with them for the first 16-18 years?

Wow.

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Evil_Kitten 11:04 pm
12 Nov 12
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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

SHHHHHHH DON’T GIVE THIS GEM OF A SPOT AWAY!!!

LOL sorry. I figured there’s plenty of room there for everyone. My other secret spots around town, however, I’m keeping to myself!

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bigfeet 6:37 am
13 Nov 12
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Charlie57 said :

…. you just don’t want anything to do with them for the first 16-18 years?

Sounds like heaven.

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Sic 7:52 am
13 Nov 12
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schmeah said :

I’d have more sympathy if half the parents with prams I saw getting about didn’t have a car the size of Texas .. impossible for anyone, pram or not, get in or out of while staying within the yellow lines and not hitting bollards.

But but… They waited until they were 45 to have children? How dare you suggest that someone with a toddler should be physically capable of bending their back to pick them up from a sedan!?

Seriously though, what a non issue. The people worked up about parents with pram parking must be the same idiots that drive around in circles trying to get a spot as close to the door as possible, while I park in the back row and walk into the centre in half the time.

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