Police car smash in Belconnen

By 6 November, 2012 35

police car smash

ACT Policing is investigating a collision in which two vehicles, including a police car, were extensively damaged and a woman conveyed to hospital.

Around 8.24am today (Tuesday, November 6), two officers were in a marked police car on routine patrol on Belconnen Way when they collided with a Holden Commodore at the intersection of Springvale Drive.

The driver and single occupant of the Commodore, a 24-year-old woman from Charnwood, was conveyed to hospital for observation. Both police officers later self-presented at hospital for assessment.

ACT Policing Collision Investigation and Reconstruction Team (CIRT) attended the scene and is investigating the incident.

Any witnesses to the collision who have not yet spoken to police are urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or via the website at www.act.crimestoppers.com.au.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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35 Responses to Police car smash in Belconnen
#1
shirty_bear11:20 am, 06 Nov 12

There’s nothing much wrong with the Belconnen Way – Springvale Dve intersection, but it seems to get way more than its share of crashes.
History says the gubbmint will chuck in a set of lights sometime; another set of lights is exactly what Belco Way doesn’t need :-\

#2
Grimm11:41 am, 06 Nov 12

According to the CT article, the police car was “within the speed limit”. I saw the damage to it, and there is no way on earth that happened at 60. My car didn’t look that bad after T-boning somebody at 80, and it’s the same model. Lets see how quick the CIRT team stop investigating this one, or the results are very well hidden.

#3
Pork Hunt11:44 am, 06 Nov 12

Self presented at hospital ? What, as opposed to doing it by proxy? Who writes this s***?

#4
NoImRight12:07 pm, 06 Nov 12

Pork Hunt said :

Self presented at hospital ? What, as opposed to doing it by proxy? Who writes this s***?

Perhaps as opposed to being taken by ambulance? Just a guess but thats how I read it.

#5
ScienceRules12:11 pm, 06 Nov 12

NoImRight said :

Pork Hunt said :

Self presented at hospital ? What, as opposed to doing it by proxy? Who writes this s***?

Perhaps as opposed to being taken by ambulance? Just a guess but thats how I read it.

Yep, that’s exactly what it means.

#6
Primal12:39 pm, 06 Nov 12

Grimm said :

According to the CT article, the police car was “within the speed limit”. I saw the damage to it, and there is no way on earth that happened at 60.

One car was “within the speed limit”. Doesn’t necessarily mean the other car was…

#7
Jungle Jim12:42 pm, 06 Nov 12

Grimm said :

According to the CT article, the police car was “within the speed limit”. I saw the damage to it, and there is no way on earth that happened at 60. My car didn’t look that bad after T-boning somebody at 80, and it’s the same model. Lets see how quick the CIRT team stop investigating this one, or the results are very well hidden.

Could be, if the police car was breaking (lowering the front end) and the other car wasn’t, or was even still accelerating (raising the front end).

Most of the damage looks to be the bonnet being pushed back from the front right corner and the bumper being pushed down all the way across. Plausible if the other car ran over the front of the cop car.

#8
astrojax1:09 pm, 06 Nov 12

ScienceRules said :

NoImRight said :

Pork Hunt said :

Self presented at hospital ? What, as opposed to doing it by proxy? Who writes this s***?

Perhaps as opposed to being taken by ambulance? Just a guess but thats how I read it.

Yep, that’s exactly what it means.

i agree with pork hunt [aghast!] – this is still journo doublespeak sh1t. whyn’t just say they presented at hospital later? does it matter how they got there? (and rational audiences would assume not by mabo if it was ‘later’) i bet they decamped in a southerly direction having assisted senior police with their inquiries…

#9
bugmenot1:21 pm, 06 Nov 12

Jungle Jim said :

Could be, if the police car was *breaking*

Ouch. The word you want is ‘braking’… http://www.thefreedictionary.com/braking

#10
NoImRight1:38 pm, 06 Nov 12

astrojax said :

ScienceRules said :

NoImRight said :

Pork Hunt said :

Self presented at hospital ? What, as opposed to doing it by proxy? Who writes this s***?

Perhaps as opposed to being taken by ambulance? Just a guess but thats how I read it.

Yep, that’s exactly what it means.

i agree with pork hunt [aghast!] – this is still journo doublespeak sh1t. whyn’t just say they presented at hospital later? does it matter how they got there? (and rational audiences would assume not by mabo if it was ‘later’) i bet they decamped in a southerly direction having assisted senior police with their inquiries…

So your concern is adding the word “self” to the sentence? Thats too wordy now?

#11
c_c™1:46 pm, 06 Nov 12

Very strange looking damage. The way it’s been flattened and the bonnet peeled up and back looks more like what would happen if you rear end a truck.

Not really surprising, the Police drive like crap in this city.

#12
Grimm1:48 pm, 06 Nov 12

Jungle Jim said :

Most of the damage looks to be the bonnet being pushed back from the front right corner and the bumper being pushed down all the way across. Plausible if the other car ran over the front of the cop car.

I drove right past it. Looked to me like the cop car was travelling down belco way towards Kippax, and the other car had come from the opposite direction and gone to turn right off belco way up to hawker shops. The damage on the other car was way too far back for it to have run over the front of the cop car. The damage to the drivers side of the cop car is also pretty horrible. Like I said, I t-boned a car who pulled out on me, and I was doing 80. Hit the other car in about the same spot the damage was on this one, and did nowhere near that much damage to my car. There’s no way in hell this happened at 60.

astrojax said :

i bet they decamped in a southerly direction having assisted senior police with their inquiries…

Probably took a while to scrub the extra length off their skid marks with a wire brush before the investigation commenced.

#13
bundah2:40 pm, 06 Nov 12

It’s a bit hard to tell given we can’t see the damage to the right hand side but i just got the radar gun out and it swears that it was a 50 km/h impact.

#14
Pork Hunt2:42 pm, 06 Nov 12

Grimm said :

Jungle Jim said :

Most of the damage looks to be the bonnet being pushed back from the front right corner and the bumper being pushed down all the way across. Plausible if the other car ran over the front of the cop car.

I drove right past it. Looked to me like the cop car was travelling down belco way towards Kippax, and the other car had come from the opposite direction and gone to turn right off belco way up to hawker shops. The damage on the other car was way too far back for it to have run over the front of the cop car. The damage to the drivers side of the cop car is also pretty horrible. Like I said, I t-boned a car who pulled out on me, and I was doing 80. Hit the other car in about the same spot the damage was on this one, and did nowhere near that much damage to my car. There’s no way in hell this happened at 60.

astrojax said :

i bet they decamped in a southerly direction having assisted senior police with their inquiries…

Probably took a while to scrub the extra length off their skid marks with a wire brush before the investigation commenced.

But the marks on the road would still be visible…

#15
dph2:51 pm, 06 Nov 12

This almost happened me a few months ago. A police car failed to give way to me on Johnson Drive as they were pulling out of Clift Cres.

Luckily I was able to anticipate it & brake in time. I beeped at them & was given a dirty look.

I understand we all make mistakes but a courtesy wave or some acknowledgement would have been nice. I’m sure they’d have booked me had the situation been reversed.

#16
bundah2:59 pm, 06 Nov 12

Pork Hunt said :

Grimm said :

Jungle Jim said :

Most of the damage looks to be the bonnet being pushed back from the front right corner and the bumper being pushed down all the way across. Plausible if the other car ran over the front of the cop car.

I drove right past it. Looked to me like the cop car was travelling down belco way towards Kippax, and the other car had come from the opposite direction and gone to turn right off belco way up to hawker shops. The damage on the other car was way too far back for it to have run over the front of the cop car. The damage to the drivers side of the cop car is also pretty horrible. Like I said, I t-boned a car who pulled out on me, and I was doing 80. Hit the other car in about the same spot the damage was on this one, and did nowhere near that much damage to my car. There’s no way in hell this happened at 60.

astrojax said :

i bet they decamped in a southerly direction having assisted senior police with their inquiries…

Probably took a while to scrub the extra length off their skid marks with a wire brush before the investigation commenced.

But the marks on the road would still be visible…

ABS=only undies skidmarks!

#17
NoImRight3:12 pm, 06 Nov 12

Moon landing was faked too.

#18
Jungle Jim3:13 pm, 06 Nov 12

bugmenot said :

Jungle Jim said :

Could be, if the police car was *breaking*

Ouch. The word you want is ‘braking’… http://www.thefreedictionary.com/braking

I concede that I didn’t proof my post adequately. Thanks for the lesson.

#19
astrojax3:21 pm, 06 Nov 12

NoImRight said :

astrojax said :

ScienceRules said :

NoImRight said :

Pork Hunt said :

Self presented at hospital ? What, as opposed to doing it by proxy? Who writes this s***?

Perhaps as opposed to being taken by ambulance? Just a guess but thats how I read it.

Yep, that’s exactly what it means.

i agree with pork hunt [aghast!] – this is still journo doublespeak sh1t. whyn’t just say they presented at hospital later? does it matter how they got there? (and rational audiences would assume not by mabo if it was ‘later’) i bet they decamped in a southerly direction having assisted senior police with their inquiries…

So your concern is adding the word “self” to the sentence? Thats too wordy now?

yes, i guess so – high falutin way of just saying ‘presented’, as if ‘self presented’ is somehow significant. this is the riot act – i’m obliged to be pedantic and picky and irate. now, just don’t start me on the journo predeliction for people – usually pollies – doing ‘backflips’ on issues!

#20
Pork Hunt3:30 pm, 06 Nov 12

bundah said :

Pork Hunt said :

Grimm said :

Jungle Jim said :

Most of the damage looks to be the bonnet being pushed back from the front right corner and the bumper being pushed down all the way across. Plausible if the other car ran over the front of the cop car.

I drove right past it. Looked to me like the cop car was travelling down belco way towards Kippax, and the other car had come from the opposite direction and gone to turn right off belco way up to hawker shops. The damage on the other car was way too far back for it to have run over the front of the cop car. The damage to the drivers side of the cop car is also pretty horrible. Like I said, I t-boned a car who pulled out on me, and I was doing 80. Hit the other car in about the same spot the damage was on this one, and did nowhere near that much damage to my car. There’s no way in hell this happened at 60.

astrojax said :

i bet they decamped in a southerly direction having assisted senior police with their inquiries…

Probably took a while to scrub the extra length off their skid marks with a wire brush before the investigation commenced.

But the marks on the road would still be visible…

ABS=only undies skidmarks!

That’s what I was talking about, the undies.

#21
ScienceRules5:13 pm, 06 Nov 12

astrojax said :

NoImRight said :

astrojax said :

ScienceRules said :

NoImRight said :

Pork Hunt said :

Self presented at hospital ? What, as opposed to doing it by proxy? Who writes this s***?

Perhaps as opposed to being taken by ambulance? Just a guess but thats how I read it.

Yep, that’s exactly what it means.

So your concern is adding the word “self” to the sentence? Thats too wordy now?

yes, i guess so – high falutin way of just saying ‘presented’, as if ‘self presented’ is somehow significant. this is the riot act – i’m obliged to be pedantic and picky and irate. now, just don’t start me on the journo predeliction for people – usually pollies – doing ‘backflips’ on issues!

It’s got nothing to do with being “high falutin”. These terms have some meaning within the emergency services and hospital system. BIBA (brought in by ambulance) suggests that the patient might have needed pre-hospital treatment.

“Presented” could mean that they came in with a relative or work colleague and therefore might have been significantly sick.

“Self-presented” suggests that they were well enough to make their own way in. None of this is proscriptive of course and “self presented” cases can drop dead at triage. Similarly the ambulance service spends an inordinate amount of time transporting whining, self-entitled idiots with nothing wrong with them.

It maybe you are worrying too much about semantics that really aren’t that significant to the story.

:-)

#22
steele_blade5:25 pm, 06 Nov 12

Jungle Jim said :

bugmenot said :

Jungle Jim said :

Could be, if the police car was *breaking*

Ouch. The word you want is ‘braking’… http://www.thefreedictionary.com/braking

I concede that I didn’t proof my post adequately. Thanks for the lesson.

no, you were right, the police car is definitely broken.

#23
cranky5:58 pm, 06 Nov 12

Do they breath test the Police officer driver on the spot of the accident, as they do all other crash drivers?

#24
LSWCHP6:19 pm, 06 Nov 12

bugmenot said :

Jungle Jim said :

Could be, if the police car was *breaking*

Ouch. The word you want is ‘braking’… http://www.thefreedictionary.com/braking

While you’re correct in one sense, it’s also self evident that the police car was indeed breaking. Just take a look at that pic…

#25
Tetranitrate6:24 pm, 06 Nov 12

Grimm said :

According to the CT article, the police car was “within the speed limit”. I saw the damage to it, and there is no way on earth that happened at 60. My car didn’t look that bad after T-boning somebody at 80, and it’s the same model. Lets see how quick the CIRT team stop investigating this one, or the results are very well hidden.

Yeah but it wasn’t a T-bone collision, presuming that the cops were heading up belco way in the Kippax/Holt/Higgins direction, she must have been on belco way heading toward the city and turned off toward hawker shops without giving way – so *her* speed is very relevant. If she was travelling at 40 or so it’s quite possible that both cars were within the speed limit.
I mean it’s quite possible the cops were speeding but I don’t think there’s any particular reason to believe that they were given the limited information we have here.

#26
vg7:40 pm, 06 Nov 12

cranky said :

Do they breath test the Police officer driver on the spot of the accident, as they do all other crash drivers?

No. Generally one cop hands another a brown paper bag full of cash and/ or coke so nothing happens and the whole incident is forgotten.

It’s also helpful as it allows the cop who crashed to get the body of the whistleblower out of the boot quickly and get back to the pub, where they can get hammered in uniform again and look for another innocent civilian to play demolition derby with.

That’s if they’ve got enough time after sleeping with all the local prossies.

#27
Sandman7:42 pm, 06 Nov 12

astrojax said :

i agree with pork hunt [aghast!] – this is still journo doublespeak sh1t. whyn’t just say they presented at hospital later? does it matter how they got there? (and rational audiences would assume not by mabo if it was ‘later’) …

While we’re being pedantic,

“assume not by mabo”

Is that like, the vibe, of presenting at hospital?

#28
thatsnotme8:53 pm, 06 Nov 12

Grimm said :

I drove right past it. Looked to me like the cop car was travelling down belco way towards Kippax, and the other car had come from the opposite direction and gone to turn right off belco way up to hawker shops. The damage on the other car was way too far back for it to have run over the front of the cop car. The damage to the drivers side of the cop car is also pretty horrible. Like I said, I t-boned a car who pulled out on me, and I was doing 80. Hit the other car in about the same spot the damage was on this one, and did nowhere near that much damage to my car. There’s no way in hell this happened at 60.

That’s it then, case closed! Book the police for speeding, and while you’re at it pay compensation to the other driver for failing to give way – it obviously wasn’t their fault, because of random internet precedents, and speculation, and probably science, or aliens.

[csi miami mode]

“there was a serious accident, and the police were involved”

“well, it looks like their morning took *puts on sunglasses* a turn for the worse”

YEEEAAAHHH!

[/csi miami mode]

#29
Henry829:56 pm, 06 Nov 12

Grimm said :

According to the CT article, the police car was “within the speed limit”.

That quotation alone makes me suspicious of the speed said vehicle was traveling.

#30
Special G7:31 am, 07 Nov 12

That intersection has clear visibility lines in both directions with no obstructions. It doesn’t really matter what speed the police car was traveling from the description of the incident the other car didn’t give way.

Grimm, with your obvious experience in collision reconstruction ACT Police have a job for you and if as you say the Police car was speeding and that caused the collision then you are justifying all the govt reasoning behind speed cameras.

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