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Proof speed cameras work!

By 10 October 2007 54

So, in Todays CT, there is an article entitled “204 reasons for speed cameras”
(I apologise for the dodgy image, and the lack of link, and the paraphrasing.. I only glanced quickly through the article.)

Anyway, so, a stolen car was snapped at the new speed cameras on the parkway, doing 204Km/h.
This, apparently, proves that speed cameras work, and that we need more.

Personally, I feel that it proves they don’t, as if you want to speed, you’re going to any way, as the driver of this (albeit stolen) car has demonstrated.

Thoughts ?

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54 Responses to Proof speed cameras work!
#1
justbands9:20 am, 10 Oct 07

I’m glad you posted this, I was thinking along the same lines. To me, it proves they are less than useful. This driver (in a stolen car) continued speeding dangerously on our streets & roads unstopped. They haven’t caught the thief/driver.

Perhaps all the money spent on cameras could have hired an extra cop or two & perhaps then this idiot would have actually been caught & taken off the road…you know, in the interests of public safety.

I really can’t believe the tried to pass this off as “proof” of the value of speed cameras. What a joke.

#2
Thumper9:29 am, 10 Oct 07

As I have previously said, they DO NOT stop speeding, they simply catch those who are speeding.

The proof is in the fact that they continue to catch people speeding, therefore they don’t work.

Revenue raising.

Having said that, I really don’t care because I don’t speed and if you do get zapped by a camera then it’s your fault.

(Admittedly, there are sections of road where you have no idea what the speed limit is because it changes so often even though the road and conditions don’t)

#3
Stung9:33 am, 10 Oct 07

If you dont speed, i guess they should be of no concern to you.

#4
Thumper9:37 am, 10 Oct 07

Stung, that is not the discussion. The discussion is about the government calling speed cameras safety devices and traffic control devices.

This they are not.

Speed cameras do work because they film cars speeding. However, we are constantly told that they stop speeding.

So there’s 204 reasons why they don’t work.

#5
justbands9:37 am, 10 Oct 07

> If you dont speed, i guess they should be of no concern to you.

I dont’ speed, and in that sense they are of no concern to me. What is of concern is that are claimed to be improving public safety, when in fact…they do not.

#6
caf9:41 am, 10 Oct 07

The fact that they’re not 100% effective doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re 0% effective.

#7
VYBerlinaV8...the_or9:45 am, 10 Oct 07

I agree with most here, in that speed cameras are an easy way for the govt to claim they are actually doing something about road safety, when they are doing nothing. I also think we need to break free from this silly idea that a speed limit somehow differentiates ‘dangerous’ from ‘safe’, which in many people’s mind is what a speed limit means. I’m all for road rules compliance, but let’s think about doing it in a way that makes our road system safer and more effective.

#8
Thumper9:45 am, 10 Oct 07

The fact that they’re not 0% effective doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re 100% effective.

Works both ways caf…

If they put cameras outside schools i’d say they were warranted. Seriously, it’s more dangerous to do 60 on small suburban street than it is to do 90 in a 100k zone.

#9
Thumper9:46 am, 10 Oct 07

Whoops, 90 in an 80 k zone…

:)

#10
Mobsta9:47 am, 10 Oct 07

lol…How is the speed camera effective on a stolen car unless they actually catch the culprit?

#11
hingo_VRCalaisV69:47 am, 10 Oct 07

And a patrolling cop couldn’t have done the same job?

How do you explain the split two lane Barton Highway where it is easily safe enough to do 100kmh but they have reduced it to 80Kmh and thrown in a speed camera. The road is wide and dead straight! If there was ever a camera set up to bring in money, its that one.

Sure, don’t speed and you won’t get caught, but why is it necessary for that road to be marked 80km/h?

#12
Maelinar9:51 am, 10 Oct 07

So you need to not only ensure that you do the speed limit, but also ensure that your vehicle only does the speed limit when stolen.

Leave instructions for the thief to adhere to, see how lucky you get.

There are some ‘tards out there.

#13
VYBerlinaV8...the_or9:52 am, 10 Oct 07

I’d prefer to see marked police patrols, because they are able to:
1) Identify road rules compliance failures other than just speed related; and
2) Take action immediately.

#14
justbands9:59 am, 10 Oct 07

Exactly V8.

#15
James-T-Kirk10:05 am, 10 Oct 07

15 years since my last ticket (What can I say – I was tired).. I have not slowed down one bit – I have simply become more observant..

These stupid cameras simply don’t work….

#16
Sammy10:05 am, 10 Oct 07

In the early days of the fixed speed cameras they used film to record the speeding incident, and the film was removed and replaced on a regular basis.

I assume that they are now using digital technology. If this is the case, then why not have the speed camera system automatically send certain digital snaps of vehicles to the police.

Photos of vehicles doing more than say 50% over the limit (ie. 90 in a 60, or 150 in a 100 zone) are sent straight to police, and they can then attempt to get these types of drivers off the road. You could track the general direction they are heading by following the trail of speed camera photos.

If the system was well designed, these photos could be at the police coordination centre within seconds. It could also be a method of tracking stolen vehicles.

As this newspaper article demonstrates, when the cameras catch excessive speeding, it’s often being perpetrated in a stolen vehicle.

#17
James-T-Kirk10:06 am, 10 Oct 07

15 Years since ly last ticket – and I still drive above the limit.

These cameras just don’t work.

#18
Sammy10:08 am, 10 Oct 07

An even better idea:

Modern weapons systems are able to identify a moving target and hit it with incredible accuracy.

Ok, you think i’m headed somewhere dastardly with this statement. Let’s put that thought aside, and contemplate another.

You fire a small adhesive marker at the offending vehicle, containing a GPS tracking device. The police are notified of this, and can track the (potentially stolen) vehicle and apprehend the offenders.

#19
Thumper10:17 am, 10 Oct 07

I prefer the use of IEDs…

#20
hingo_VRCalaisV610:17 am, 10 Oct 07

LOL you have some fine ideas there Sammy.

#21
Stung10:24 am, 10 Oct 07

ermm how do they not stop speeding?? Let’s say I’m speeding, and I see a camera, then I’m obviously going to slow down (or ‘stop speeding’) aren’t I?? .. Even if I speed back up after the camera, it’s slowed me down for at least a little while… I mean yes, they are revenue raisers, but they are also a deterrent to speeding.. I know I slow down for a bit when I see one

#22
Dagget10:34 am, 10 Oct 07

Ignoring the fact that it’s a stolen car, I think the title should have been ” 104 reasons for speed camera’s “, because you’re actually allowed to do 100kph there …
But aside from that I don’t think they are a real deterrent for anything, and actually piss more people off when other’s see one, panic, jam on their brakes to ensure they are “safely” doing 20kph less than the marked speed limit.

#23
hingo_VRCalaisV610:34 am, 10 Oct 07

So the cameras stop speeding for a whole 100 metres. Is that really going to make much of a difference to driver safety?

From my personal experience, I am more likely to drive slower if I know there is a good chance of police presense on the road. Speed cameras are predictable and pointless. Only dumbasses get caught by them and only if they are the only car in the shot.

The speed camera vans make more sense to me because they are harder to predict. What is the point of fixed camera’s unless they are red light cameras?

#24
Deano10:34 am, 10 Oct 07

My favourite quote from the article was Hargreaves saying that when (if!) this person is caught, not only will they be charged with stealing a car, they will also be booked for speeding and probably lose their licence. That’ll teach them – assuming they had a licence in the first place.

There is also a small technicality of proving who was actually driving the car at the time. Might be a good opportunity of a game of Prisoner’s Dilemma!

What’s the bet he has just started a new competition for car thieves – steal a car, see how fast you can speed past a camera and get your photo in the paper to brag about with your mates!

#25
Woody Mann-Caruso10:45 am, 10 Oct 07

And a patrolling cop couldn’t have done the same job?

Sure – an expensive cop, in an expensive car, who happened to be there, and who happened to have a camera ready.

You all whinge about speed cameras, and propose more police as a solution – police who can only do exactly the same job as a speed camera (ie provide evidence leading to a charge and a conviction), only less efficiently and effectively and at a vastly inflated cost. Could you even try to think these things through before you put your brains back into neutral and start typing?

why is it necessary for that road to be marked 80km/h?

It wouldn’t matter what it was – you’d think you were special and thus entitled to do 10-20km/h over that limit. Everybody in Queensland insists they’d never speed if only their 70 zones were raised to 80 and 100 zones raised to 110. well, that’s what we have here and in NSW, and it makes no difference whatsoever. You speed because you’re a selfish dickhead, not to protest the limit on a particular stretch of road.

it’s more dangerous to do 60 on small suburban street

You’re absolutely right. Maybe we should put speed vans on those streets? Oh wait – we already do. Of course, they’re just “revenue raising” as well, aren’t they?

#26
josh10:57 am, 10 Oct 07

yay riotact! more of the same! another twenty ‘speed cameras don’t stop speeding!!’ comments

excellent

#27
hingo_VRCalaisV611:02 am, 10 Oct 07

Being that speed camera’s take an image of the car speeding. Wouldn’t the owners of the stolen car receive the fine, not the person who stole it, or are these some kind of fantastical cameras that can detect theives? Balaclava detecting camera perhaps?

#28
Thumper11:06 am, 10 Oct 07

Well Josh,

you just contributed…

#29
cranky11:13 am, 10 Oct 07

Deano, your competition is a lay down misere.

The next would be for the boys to steal 2 very similar cars, take the number plate from the front of one & screw it to the back of the other. Then go and blat through 2 separate cameras at about the same time. Should cause a bit of confusion.

#30
Mike Crowther11:32 am, 10 Oct 07

Pull up a bit Carzee. This is an event ostensively for kids. For gods sake they’ve got to have somewhere to cut loose or we’ll end up with a totally neurotic generation. We cotton-wool school age ones enough now day’s, at least let the teenagers scream and slam each other. Believe it or not they’re learning to socialise as well as having fun. You can’t condemn something just because its outside your cultural paradigm. I’m over 50 and though I still enjoy the odd Metal moment, joining in a mosh pit is simply not on my menu. (But then they aren’t designed for us are they?)

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