Public Forum - Urban Renewal - David Dawes

Actually, it was cunning and necessary to hold the meeting at Albert Hall as there is ample FREE parking adjacent.
Had the meeting been convened at a meeting room in one of the governments many meeting rooms in London Circuit anyone driving there (that would be almost everyone) would have to pay $2.10 per hour for parking at that time of day/night.
This would show up the folly of this government in killing parking in Civic.
It is all part of the grand plan to use the fact that since “round the clock” pay-parking has been introduced in Civic the car parks are virtually empty which will make it easy for the government to build units on them “because no one is using them as car parks any more”.
Did I say cunning? How about rat-cunning.

Think you got this one right

rommeldog56 said :

Maya123 said :

But would the average person these days be willing to buy a small (actually I probably should say normal sized) house (the size that the houses used to be a generation or two ago) on the small blocks, when they can get a MacMansion to fill the block and try to outdo the Jones? The average person doesn’t care about solar aspect. The amount of ignorance out there proves that. Check out how many people have black roofs on their houses shows how people don’t care enough to get educated in energy efficiency before building a house. A big house with places to entertain and impress your friends are so much more important.

Im not so sure about the average person not caring about solar aspect or are ignorant about that. Its probably more that the smaller blocks and larger houses on them restrict options for improved solar orientation. There is often simply little choice.

Talk about that & dark coloured roofs. As part of the ACT Govt’s salt & pepper public housing strategy, there are some single level units /townhouses being constructed in Goldstein Cres, Chisholm, near the school & tennis court. They are all the same looking – all in neat rows, all facing just about due west and all with dark coloured metal roofs – without solar panels. I don’t know about double glazed windows, etc,

They couldn’t have squeezed any more onto that land, probably hence aspect.

A great example of the ACT Gov’t talking the talk, but not walking the walk……….

A perfect example of our “green” government being bought by developers. There are plenty of them, but I am sure you are aware of them
btw – Isn’t that “talking the talk but not walking the talk”? That is to say, not putting the talk into action?

dukethunder said :

Brave and stupid to hold it at albert hall. Brave as its walking distance for the elderly/ wealthy canberrans to tell him how much they don’t like development and fear change. Stupid in that the bulk of development in Canberra isn’t anywhere near these fossils.

Actually, it was cunning and necessary to hold the meeting at Albert Hall as there is ample FREE parking adjacent.
Had the meeting been convened at a meeting room in one of the governments many meeting rooms in London Circuit anyone driving there (that would be almost everyone) would have to pay $2.10 per hour for parking at that time of day/night.
This would show up the folly of this government in killing parking in Civic.
It is all part of the grand plan to use the fact that since “round the clock” pay-parking has been introduced in Civic the car parks are virtually empty which will make it easy for the government to build units on them “because no one is using them as car parks any more”.
Did I say cunning? How about rat-cunning.

rubaiyat said :

dungfungus said :

This time we have nearly a trillion dollars of debt which is increasing at $1 billion a week with no hope of ever repaying it.

Not true, we still have relatively low debt by OECD standards, despite Abbott & Hockey’s best efforts, and it would be easily solved by getting all the major corporate bludgers to pay their share.

Yep, everything is coming up roses:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/malcolm-turnbull-warned-aaa-rating-in-jeopardy/news-story/79feceb604397df5fe738d42a122d0f2

dungfungus said :

rubaiyat said :

dungfungus said :

This time we have nearly a trillion dollars of debt which is increasing at $1 billion a week with no hope of ever repaying it.

Not true, we still have relatively low debt by OECD standards, despite Abbott & Hockey’s best efforts, and it would be easily solved by getting all the major corporate bludgers to pay their share.

If what I said is not true then perhaps you can outline the exact situation.
And what relevance does the OECD have? Are they going to pay our debt?
The “corporate bludgers” obviously pay their debts otherwise they wouldn’t be in business (there is a message there for all of us).

We are well within our means.

See if you can find Australia on this list of Debt to GDP ratio. Hint: We are below that other fiscally imprudent state, Switzerland.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdp

This is despite politicians afflicted with the Mad Cow’s disease of VooDoo economics, who drastically cut income whilst blowing out expenditure. Which Abbott and Hockey did out of pure ideological spite. All whilst churning out the unbelievable chin music of “fiscal prudence” and that it was all Labor’s fault despite Hockey’s first act as Treasurer was to ask to increase Government borrowings.

Corporate bludgers pay their debts with other people’s money, some more successfully than others, whilst convincing the more simple minded that that is for their own good.

What was it that Margaret Thatcher said: “The problem with Capitalists is that they eventually run out of other people’s money” ?

This is the “mystery” behind the financial crises we have had on loop, every single one “different” from all the previous crises.

Every time the music stops, fewer people end up with everyone else’s money.

Now a mere handful, just 62 people, own as much wealth as all the rest of the world put together.

rubaiyat said :

dungfungus said :

This time we have nearly a trillion dollars of debt which is increasing at $1 billion a week with no hope of ever repaying it.

Not true, we still have relatively low debt by OECD standards, despite Abbott & Hockey’s best efforts, and it would be easily solved by getting all the major corporate bludgers to pay their share.

If what I said is not true then perhaps you can outline the exact situation.
And what relevance does the OECD have? Are they going to pay our debt?
The “corporate bludgers” obviously pay their debts otherwise they wouldn’t be in business (there is a message there for all of us).

dungfungus said :

This time we have nearly a trillion dollars of debt which is increasing at $1 billion a week with no hope of ever repaying it.

Not true, we still have relatively low debt by OECD standards, despite Abbott & Hockey’s best efforts, and it would be easily solved by getting all the major corporate bludgers to pay their share.

rommeldog56 said :

Maya123 said :

But would the average person these days be willing to buy a small (actually I probably should say normal sized) house (the size that the houses used to be a generation or two ago) on the small blocks, when they can get a MacMansion to fill the block and try to outdo the Jones? The average person doesn’t care about solar aspect. The amount of ignorance out there proves that. Check out how many people have black roofs on their houses shows how people don’t care enough to get educated in energy efficiency before building a house. A big house with places to entertain and impress your friends are so much more important.

Im not so sure about the average person not caring about solar aspect or are ignorant about that. Its probably more that the smaller blocks and larger houses on them restrict options for improved solar orientation. There is often simply little choice.

Talk about that & dark coloured roofs. As part of the ACT Govt’s salt & pepper public housing strategy, there are some single level units /townhouses being constructed in Goldstein Cres, Chisholm, near the school & tennis court. They are all the same looking – all in neat rows, all facing just about due west and all with dark coloured metal roofs – without solar panels. I don’t know about double glazed windows, etc,

They couldn’t have squeezed any more onto that land, probably hence aspect.

A great example of the ACT Gov’t talking the talk, but not walking the walk……….

You only have to listen what people obsess about and it is perfectly clear they neither care about a green sustainable future or have a clue how it works.

But I agree the saboteurs in the ACT government are out to ensure that it is impossible, just as they did for the original WBG plans for Canberra which actually planned for a city with the Sun to the north, way back over a hundred years ago.

rubaiyat said :

Maya123 said :

farq said :

54-11 said :

The talk should be titled:

“Urban Renewal – A partnership with developers and how they become rich as the expense of the Canberra community”

+1

Is this the same guy who approved all the new suburbs with micro sized blocks with massive houses and zero solar aspect?

But would the average person these days be willing to buy a small (actually I probably should say normal sized) house (the size that the houses used to be a generation or two ago) on the small blocks, when they can get a MacMansion to fill the block and try to outdo the Jones? The average person doesn’t care about solar aspect. The amount of ignorance out there proves that. Check out how many people have black roofs on their houses shows how people don’t care enough to get educated in energy efficiency before building a house. A big house with places to entertain and impress your friends are so much more important.

Would this be the same people who are always telling us that they can’t afford the MacMansion with 3 dining rooms, multiple living rooms and the triple front garage?

The problem is that successive governments have made the family home the single greatest tax shelter and feed the speculative house prices with grants, incentives and almost free money.

Frugal savers are forced to subsidise the over borrowers with taxable net interest set at below the inflation rate. Shows jus how much we learnt from the GFC. Nothing.

Learning is a journey and revision is one of the stops along the way.
With the BDI at its lowest point ever (as it was before the last GFC) we are about to learn the hard way.
The first time we (Australia) had no debt and some $20 billion net. This time we have nearly a trillion dollars of debt which is increasing at $1 billion a week with no hope of ever repaying it.
Frugal savers will be wiped out as they are the only ones left with something to lose.
And the media is obsessing with us becoming a republic.

rubaiyat said :

Why is it that people who bang on about “vision” usually then demonstrate that they have none?

My Heinemann Australian Dictionary describes a vision as “an image or something which is seen outside ones’normal experience, such as in the imagination, during sleep, etc.”
The vision is always there – it’s the inability to convert it into a practical reality that is lacking.
Examples are the proposed light rail and the completed pop-up container precinct, electric cars all over Canberra etc.