Refugee Candlelight Vigil in Garema Place this Saturday 7:30PM

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22 February, 2014
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The Refugee Action Committee is organising a candlelight vigil this Saturday to mourn the death of an Iranian asylum seeker during recent protests at the Australian detention centre on Manus Island.

Reports are conflicted at this time as to how one person was killed and 77 others injured but sources suggest police and armed thugs went into the camp early Tuesday morning after days of escalating protests by asylum seekers over their continued detention and the appalling conditions at the camp.

Come along to show your support for those suffering under Operation Sovereign Borders.

RAC Website Event Page: here

Read the December report by Amnesty International on the “excessively cruel” detention centre on Manus Island here

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251 Responses to Refugee Candlelight Vigil in Garema Place this Saturday 7:30PM
#1
Roundhead899:03 pm, 21 Feb 14

A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.

#2
IrishPete10:04 pm, 21 Feb 14

“A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.”

The boats have not stopped. The drownings have not stopped. What has happened is that the government no longer tells you anything. Today they refused to answer any questions about how many boats were intercepted. I am sure if it was “none” they would have said so. And it’s very easy to claim there are no drownings if you don’t send anyone to look for the bodies, washing your hands like Pontius Pilot or Lady MacBeth.

Sure, the number boats has probably reduced because of the extremely harsh treatment being meted out. I wonder how the people involved in that – politicians, Customs, Navy, Immigration, private security companies -,can sleep at night. Would they have done the same to Jews fleeing persecution in 1930s and 1940s Europe. Almost definitely. Godwin’s Law does not apply, because this is a valid comparison.

IP

#3
Weatherman11:47 pm, 21 Feb 14

I think that the Refugee Action Committee is not politically neutral. I am wholeheartedly in disagreement with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan. It is not genuine humanitarian refugee intake.

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though it is claimed that 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable.

#4
DrKoresh2:18 am, 22 Feb 14

Roundhead89 said :

A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.

You are scum,(allegedly) human scum <3 :)

#5
Nylex_Clock7:39 am, 22 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

The boats have not stopped. The drownings have not stopped.

Got any evidence/data for those assertions?

No?

Thought not.

As a taxpayer and a citizen, I am a stakeholder in this issue: I do not believe people should be rewarded for thumbing their noses at Australian law by quite deliberately entering AUstralia illegally with a view to manipulating our clearly defective asylum laws.

They are obviously not refugees, they are scammers, cheats and frauds who are essentially stealing from me and my fellow taxpayers.

Meanwhile, the genocide in West Papua goes on – with not a squeak from the hypocritcal and delusional Socialist Rent-a-Crowd who pretend they are the only ones with a moral conscience.

#6
Nylex_Clock7:41 am, 22 Feb 14

In fact, I’m very glad a bunch of these violent foreign thugs got the kicking they so richly deserve from a country whose law enforcement is clearly less timid than Australia’s.
We let these scum walk all over us. The authorities on Manus decided to take no crap. Good for them.

#7
ScienceRules8:06 am, 22 Feb 14

Nylex_Clock said :

In fact, I’m very glad a bunch of these violent foreign thugs got the kicking they so richly deserve from a country whose law enforcement is clearly less timid than Australia’s.
We let these scum walk all over us. The authorities on Manus decided to take no crap. Good for them.

Nice channeling of Alan Jones there mate.

The fact is that refugees arriving by boat are as legitimate as refugees arriving by any other means. Your incandescent rage notwithstanding, many of us are “taxpayers and citizens and have a stake in the issue” (as if that was relevant). We also think that the behaviour of the Abbot government is appalling, illegal and a blight on humanity.

Previous governments were little better but the current mob of thugs and neocons are an embarrasment to Australia. We can do so much better than this.

#8
Mysteryman8:36 am, 22 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

“A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.”

The boats have not stopped. The drownings have not stopped. What has happened is that the government no longer tells you anything. Today they refused to answer any questions about how many boats were intercepted. I am sure if it was “none” they would have said so. And it’s very easy to claim there are no drownings if you don’t send anyone to look for the bodies, washing your hands like Pontius Pilot or Lady MacBeth.

Sure, the number boats has probably reduced because of the extremely harsh treatment being meted out. I wonder how the people involved in that – politicians, Customs, Navy, Immigration, private security companies -,can sleep at night. Would they have done the same to Jews fleeing persecution in 1930s and 1940s Europe. Almost definitely. Godwin’s Law does not apply, because this is a valid comparison.

IP

So firstly you claim the boats and drownings haven’t stopped, then you claim the government is hiding all the information. If the government is hiding all the information, how the hell would you know if the boats and drownings continue?

You don’t know.

As for the “extreme harsh treatment”… I hardly think having to wait in a detention centre while your claim is processed qualifies as “extreme harsh treatment”. The simple fact is that under the refugee convention we are not required to grant these people asylum as they haven’t arrived directly from the place they are fleeing. We have every right to treat them as illegal arrivals – that’s what they are. It’s not a grey area. I can’t comment on the conditions over on Manus Island but quite frankly legitimate refugees fleeing a country for the sake of their safety are in no place to make demands on their hosts. The average time a person is in detention is 115 days. I’m ok with someone spending that kind of time in a detention centre while the government tries to figure out why all their paperwork has mysteriously disappeared and where they’ve come from. Four months waiting with shelter, food, water, and no fear of being killed is a short period of time for someone fleeing for their life. If they act violently and riot/break out of a detention centre they were sent to while their claim for asylum is processed, they should get a free ride straight back home.

#9
Mysteryman8:38 am, 22 Feb 14

Weatherman said :

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps.

I think this would be a good approach if the government decides to increase out refugee intake.

#10
dungfungus9:18 am, 22 Feb 14

Nylex_Clock said :

IrishPete said :

The boats have not stopped. The drownings have not stopped.

Got any evidence/data for those assertions?

No?

Thought not.

As a taxpayer and a citizen, I am a stakeholder in this issue: I do not believe people should be rewarded for thumbing their noses at Australian law by quite deliberately entering AUstralia illegally with a view to manipulating our clearly defective asylum laws.

They are obviously not refugees, they are scammers, cheats and frauds who are essentially stealing from me and my fellow taxpayers.

Meanwhile, the genocide in West Papua goes on – with not a squeak from the hypocritcal and delusional Socialist Rent-a-Crowd who pretend they are the only ones with a moral conscience.

How can you be so right about this issue and so wrong about climate change?

#11
Nylex_Clock9:48 am, 22 Feb 14

DrKoresh said :

Roundhead89 said :

A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.

You are scum,(allegedly) human scum <3 :)

No, the scum are the people who encouraged 5,000 to drown themselves at sea by advocating defective border enforcement.

Feeling proud?

#12
IrishPete11:26 am, 22 Feb 14

Nylex_Clock seems to be an agent provocateur for the humanitarian lobby. Why else would s/he claim 5000 drownings, five times more than even the Australian Government is claiming? (Having earlier asked me for evidence that the boats haven’t stopped and the drownings haven’t stopped!) Good work there N_C, you ill draw out the fools who agree with you and show them up for what they are.

Now, for evidence the boats haven’t stopped and the drownings haven’t stopped:

Here just one example in December of deaths at sea: http://www.news.com.au/national/twoyearold-child-among-three-asylum-seekers-who-drowned-off-indonesia-enroute-to-australia/story-fncynjr2-1226780024715 and for evidence they haven’t stopped: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/asylumseeker-lifeboat-pictures-arresting-pm/story-e6frg6n6-1226815620839 I have deliberately chosen the Murdoch media as the sources. There are many other sources and many other incidents.

Of course the information on these incidents, and many many more, does not come from the Australian Government, who won’t comment on things that might be inconvenient – “operational matters” gets rolled out as an excuse when they don’t want to comment, ignored when they want to report their idea of “good news”. The information comes from Indonesian Government and media, or community, and as you imply correctly with your comments about West Papua, the Indonesians are not always reliable either. In the early days, when asylum seekers were still being landed on Christmas Island, information also came from Christmas Island residents who believe in freedom of information (one of the cornerstones of democracy).

The body counters also like to ignore that there were hundreds of drownings under Howard’s “Pacific Solution” too. Here are two sources that predate the federal election: http://theconversation.com/factcheck-have-more-than-1000-asylum-seekers-died-at-sea-under-labor-16221 and https://theconversation.com/stop-the-deaths-rescuing-asylum-seekers-is-an-integrity-issue-13071
Don’t you remember Siev X? An inconvenient truth perhaps?

Now for Mysteryman’s fictional claims about detention – where does your claim of 115 days average come from? There is no processing taking place, so that has to be made up, or refer to a period when processing was taking place. No processing means that detention becomes indefinite. That in itself is harsh, regardless of the physical conditions (which are also harsh).

Seeking asylum is not illegal in a country that is a signatory to the refugee convention. Doesn’t matter how many times you repeat a lie, it remains a lie.

But the more serious point is that you cannot measure the effectiveness of government polices over a short period of time, most recently coinciding with the monsoon season when boat departures always reduced. Nor can you measure the effectiveness in the absence of reliable information, nor when the politicians move the goal posts from “boat departures” to “boat arrivals”. Regardless of your support for or opposition to the current government’s policies, or the previous governments, if you are anything but a party flunky, you will believe in reasonable access to information. Labor may have been over the top with their blow-by-blow reporting, the current mob have swung too far the other way.

IP
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#13
IrishPete11:34 am, 22 Feb 14

Nylex_Clock said :

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Feeling proud?

I am very proud of my consistent opposition to inhumane illegal treatment of asylum seekers under Howard, Gillard, Rudd again briefly and now Abbott. Very very proud.

IP

#14
IrishPete11:36 am, 22 Feb 14

“I am very proud of my consistent opposition to inhumane illegal treatment of asylum seekers under Howard, Gillard, Rudd again briefly and now Abbott. Very very proud.

IP”

I think I stuffed up the quote-editing in that one, so I encourage people to respond to this one instead, or we’ll all drown in italics (bad pun, not intended as a pun).

IP

#15
Masquara12:23 pm, 22 Feb 14

We don’t know the circumstances around his death though! This is inappropriate and maudlin.

#16
maxblues12:38 pm, 22 Feb 14

Will there be alcoholic refreshments and kebabs, as per multicultural festival?

#17
Deref1:46 pm, 22 Feb 14

There’s always been a racist xenophobic streak in Australians, and ignorance has never been in short supply. But it does take a very special sort of bastardry – something in which the Liberal and Labor Parties are expert in – to exploit those worst elements of our national character, regardless of the human cost, for purely political gain.

#18
Walker1:58 pm, 22 Feb 14

Nylex_Clock said :

In fact, I’m very glad a bunch of these violent foreign thugs got the kicking they so richly deserve from a country whose law enforcement is clearly less timid than Australia’s.
We let these scum walk all over us. The authorities on Manus decided to take no crap. Good for them.

This doesn’t make sense. If you think it’s wonderful we’re relegating enforcement to a country that’s well known high up on the ranks of physical and sexual violence and other problems, you need to reconsider. Plus the camp already has a bad history.

This latest, there’s reports of people screaming for help and having their throats cut with machetes. Of people that had nothing to do with it just wanting to escape the mayhem, hiding in their rooms yet being hunted down *indiscriminately.*

Indiscriminately.

Richly deserved you say? And you’re glad? Are you sure?

Want to rethink it or wait ’til the investigation reveals more, given that you spent pages on a climate myth busting fact finding lecture series (and a pretty thorough job at that), just recently?

#19
Queen_of_the_Bun2:07 pm, 22 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

“I am very proud of my consistent opposition to inhumane illegal treatment of asylum seekers under Howard, Gillard, Rudd again briefly and now Abbott. Very very proud.

IP”

I think I stuffed up the quote-editing in that one, so I encourage people to respond to this one instead, or we’ll all drown in italics (bad pun, not intended as a pun).

IP

I used to agree with the “we’re so inhumane to lock up refugees, we should just let them all come” mantra. Then I started working in the area and began to understand that there is no simple solution.

Many people seeking asylum are genuinely fleeing persecution, and their lives are at risk. Many others are genuinely fleeing starvation caused by famine and poverty, and their lives are at risk.

But there are also the ones who just want a better life for themselves and their children. No-one can blame them for wanting that, but I know a lot of Brits and Irish and Europeans who would love to be able to move here permanently and can’t. Indeed, there has been at least one case of an asylum seeker coming here by boat who already had asylum status in Germany.

I urge everyone to read “What is the What” by Dave Eggers to get an understanding of what the people waiting for decades in camps in Africa are going through while they wait patiently for asylum.

#20
voytek34:47 pm, 22 Feb 14

Roundhead89 said :

A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.

It is hilariously funny that you legit believe the “boats have stopped”. There are so few it isn’t even worth a paragraph on page five of a local newspaper – this non issue was the soul “issue” used to win votes from unintelligent morons just like yourself. You are a living, breathing joke and it disgusts me that human waste like you are allowed to vote. By the way, deadshit – the vast majority of visas are subject to what is called a “Newly Arrived Residency Waiting Period” – a two year wait from either date of arrival or grant of permanent residency – whatever comes first before they can even test their eligibility for “welfare”. The vast majority of “welfare” abusers are Australian born and bred scum just like yourself. Get a vasectomy.

#21
Masquara5:18 pm, 22 Feb 14

By some of these measures we should be sending New Zealanders to Manus.

#22
Nylex_Clock6:07 pm, 22 Feb 14

Walker said :

This doesn’t make sense. If you think it’s wonderful we’re relegating enforcement to a country that’s well known high up on the ranks of physical and sexual violence and other problems, you need to reconsider. Plus the camp already has a bad history.

These lawless Iranians chose to employ the laguage of violence to express their wishes.
When it happens in Australia, we let them burn down their comfortable accomodation and the taxpayer promptly rebuilds it, complete all the latest mod-cons including the on-going costs of providing them with internet access so they can continue stirring up ever more trouble, much of it at the instigation of scumbag lawyers with their noses deep in the cashed-up trough of the fake-refugee industry.

At Manus, the local authorities engaged with them in their chosen form of speech- violence. This is clearly the language they understand and the one they chose. They asked for it, they got it. If they don’t want to be clubbed about the head by soldiers, police, and citizen volunteers, they shouldn’t start violent, destructive trouble in the first place. If only *our* society was still geared up to providing a similarly appropriate response.

I predict a limp-wristed self-hating response to this by the Australian authorities, and and a return to bending over backwards to reward lawless violent foreign thugs with the fruit of Australian taxpayers’ hard work and honest labour. More’s the pity.

#23
Nylex_Clock6:16 pm, 22 Feb 14

voytek3 said :

By the way, deadshit – the vast majority of visas are subject to what is called a “Newly Arrived Residency Waiting Period” – a two year wait from either date of arrival or grant of permanent residency – whatever comes first before they can even test their eligibility for “welfare”.

Yet more pathetic leftoid delusion on show.

http://www.ames.net.au/asylum-seeker-program/asylum-seeker-assistance-scheme.html

#24
Nylex_Clock6:19 pm, 22 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

Nylex_Clock seems to be an agent provocateur for the humanitarian lobby. Why else would s/he claim 5000 drownings, five times more than even the Australian Government is claiming? :

Ah, so only 900 people drwoned at sea as a result of the lefty obsession with encouraging illegal immigration.

That’s OK then. I guess you and Koresh do feel proud.

#25
Nylex_Clock6:22 pm, 22 Feb 14

Walker said :

This latest, there’s reports of people screaming for help and having their throats cut with machetes. Of people that had nothing to do with it just wanting to escape the mayhem, hiding in their rooms yet being hunted down *indiscriminately.*

Indiscriminately.

…and having their hands forced around burning-hot pipes by RAN personnel, too, of course.

Because violent thugs who riot and burn down their detention centre *wouldn’t* lie to you, would they…

#26
IrishPete6:33 pm, 22 Feb 14

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

I used to agree with the “we’re so inhumane to lock up refugees, we should just let them all come” mantra. Then I started working in the area and began to understand that there is no simple solution.

Many people seeking asylum are genuinely fleeing persecution, and their lives are at risk. Many others are genuinely fleeing starvation caused by famine and poverty, and their lives are at risk.

But there are also the ones who just want a better life for themselves and their children. No-one can blame them for wanting that, but I know a lot of Brits and Irish and Europeans who would love to be able to move here permanently and can’t. Indeed, there has been at least one case of an asylum seeker coming here by boat who already had asylum status in Germany.

I urge everyone to read “What is the What” by Dave Eggers to get an understanding of what the people waiting for decades in camps in Africa are going through while they wait patiently for asylum.

It’s very hard to disentangle the “want a better life for economic reasons” from the “want a better life for persecution reasons”. Most people probably have some of each, in varying proportions. And their choice of country to come to is also always going to be affected by accessibility and attractiveness. There’s a well-developed industry in getting people to Oz from Indonesia, which makes us very accessible.

No-one promotes a “we should just let them all come” approach. I would like to see processing occur in Indonesia or Malaysia or wherever. But there isn’t any – there is no queue to jump. That leaves asylum seekers wanting to come to Oz with just one option. Clive Palmer’s idea of flying them in is perhaps a little naive, but the concept has some merit.

And I don’t accept the idea that we are responsible for the drownings because we granted asylum to those arriving by boat. The people smugglers are responsible for the drownings and should be treated accordingly. The Indonesian Government is responsible for not controlling their borders properly. A diplomatic and intelligent Australia Government could have tried to fix these things, instead the give us gunboat diplomacy.

IP

#27
Pork Hunt6:34 pm, 22 Feb 14

voytek3 said :

Roundhead89 said :

A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.

It is hilariously funny that you legit believe the “boats have stopped”. There are so few it isn’t even worth a paragraph on page five of a local newspaper – this non issue was the soul “issue” used to win votes from unintelligent morons just like yourself. You are a living, breathing joke and it disgusts me that human waste like you are allowed to vote. By the way, deadshit – the vast majority of visas are subject to what is called a “Newly Arrived Residency Waiting Period” – a two year wait from either date of arrival or grant of permanent residency – whatever comes first before they can even test their eligibility for “welfare”. The vast majority of “welfare” abusers are Australian born and bred scum just like yourself. Get a vasectomy.

Voytek3, you are a bleeping bleep and you should go and bleep yourself.
In the absence of any meaningful moderation from RA, I’ve had to do it myself…

#28
IrishPete6:36 pm, 22 Feb 14

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

I used to agree with the “we’re so inhumane to lock up refugees, we should just let them all come” mantra. Then I started working in the area and began to understand that there is no simple solution.

Many people seeking asylum are genuinely fleeing persecution, and their lives are at risk. Many others are genuinely fleeing starvation caused by famine and poverty, and their lives are at risk.

But there are also the ones who just want a better life for themselves and their children. No-one can blame them for wanting that, but I know a lot of Brits and Irish and Europeans who would love to be able to move here permanently and can’t. Indeed, there has been at least one case of an asylum seeker coming here by boat who already had asylum status in Germany.

I urge everyone to read “What is the What” by Dave Eggers to get an understanding of what the people waiting for decades in camps in Africa are going through while they wait patiently for asylum.

p.s. its not hard to come to Oz temporarily or permanently if you are British or Irish, though it’s a little harder for other Europeans because of the unofficial White Australia policy (which assesses your English language ability, and therefore favours people from certain places). 457 visas are there to be rorted, and some professions don’t even have to rort, they just apply.

IP

#29
Queen_of_the_Bun7:19 pm, 22 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

I used to agree with the “we’re so inhumane to lock up refugees, we should just let them all come” mantra. Then I started working in the area and began to understand that there is no simple solution.

Many people seeking asylum are genuinely fleeing persecution, and their lives are at risk. Many others are genuinely fleeing starvation caused by famine and poverty, and their lives are at risk.

But there are also the ones who just want a better life for themselves and their children. No-one can blame them for wanting that, but I know a lot of Brits and Irish and Europeans who would love to be able to move here permanently and can’t. Indeed, there has been at least one case of an asylum seeker coming here by boat who already had asylum status in Germany.

I urge everyone to read “What is the What” by Dave Eggers to get an understanding of what the people waiting for decades in camps in Africa are going through while they wait patiently for asylum.

It’s very hard to disentangle the “want a better life for economic reasons” from the “want a better life for persecution reasons”. Most people probably have some of each, in varying proportions. And their choice of country to come to is also always going to be affected by accessibility and attractiveness. There’s a well-developed industry in getting people to Oz from Indonesia, which makes us very accessible.

No-one promotes a “we should just let them all come” approach. I would like to see processing occur in Indonesia or Malaysia or wherever. But there isn’t any – there is no queue to jump. That leaves asylum seekers wanting to come to Oz with just one option. Clive Palmer’s idea of flying them in is perhaps a little naive, but the concept has some merit.

And I don’t accept the idea that we are responsible for the drownings because we granted asylum to those arriving by boat. The people smugglers are responsible for the drownings and should be treated accordingly. The Indonesian Government is responsible for not controlling their borders properly. A diplomatic and intelligent Australia Government could have tried to fix these things, instead the give us gunboat diplomacy.

IP

A diplomatic and intelligent Australia has tried to fix these things. What is your solution? And your party of choice, the Greens, does have a “let them all come” policy, unless Sarah Hanson Young is going rogue.

#30
IrishPete8:28 pm, 22 Feb 14

“A diplomatic and intelligent Australia has tried to fix these things. What is your solution? And your party of choice, the Greens, does have a “let them all come” policy, unless Sarah Hanson Young is going rogue.”

Unfortunately soundbites are not the best way to convey or learn about policies.
http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways
Obviously that policy predates the federal election, because changing policies is a careful and sometimes slow process, not a kneejerk, but the basic principles remain applicable today.

IP

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