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Refugee Candlelight Vigil in Garema Place this Saturday 7:30PM

By howeph - 21 February 2014 251

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The Refugee Action Committee is organising a candlelight vigil this Saturday to mourn the death of an Iranian asylum seeker during recent protests at the Australian detention centre on Manus Island.

Reports are conflicted at this time as to how one person was killed and 77 others injured but sources suggest police and armed thugs went into the camp early Tuesday morning after days of escalating protests by asylum seekers over their continued detention and the appalling conditions at the camp.

Come along to show your support for those suffering under Operation Sovereign Borders.

RAC Website Event Page: here

Read the December report by Amnesty International on the “excessively cruel” detention centre on Manus Island here

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Refugee Candlelight Vigil in Garema Place this Saturday 7:30PM
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Roundhead89 9:03 pm
21 Feb 14
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A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.

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IrishPete 10:04 pm
21 Feb 14
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“A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.”

The boats have not stopped. The drownings have not stopped. What has happened is that the government no longer tells you anything. Today they refused to answer any questions about how many boats were intercepted. I am sure if it was “none” they would have said so. And it’s very easy to claim there are no drownings if you don’t send anyone to look for the bodies, washing your hands like Pontius Pilot or Lady MacBeth.

Sure, the number boats has probably reduced because of the extremely harsh treatment being meted out. I wonder how the people involved in that – politicians, Customs, Navy, Immigration, private security companies -,can sleep at night. Would they have done the same to Jews fleeing persecution in 1930s and 1940s Europe. Almost definitely. Godwin’s Law does not apply, because this is a valid comparison.

IP

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Weatherman 11:47 pm
21 Feb 14
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I think that the Refugee Action Committee is not politically neutral. I am wholeheartedly in disagreement with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan. It is not genuine humanitarian refugee intake.

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though it is claimed that 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable.

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DrKoresh 2:18 am
22 Feb 14
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Roundhead89 said :

A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.

You are scum,(allegedly) human scum <3 :)

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Nylex_Clock 7:39 am
22 Feb 14
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IrishPete said :

The boats have not stopped. The drownings have not stopped.

Got any evidence/data for those assertions?

No?

Thought not.

As a taxpayer and a citizen, I am a stakeholder in this issue: I do not believe people should be rewarded for thumbing their noses at Australian law by quite deliberately entering AUstralia illegally with a view to manipulating our clearly defective asylum laws.

They are obviously not refugees, they are scammers, cheats and frauds who are essentially stealing from me and my fellow taxpayers.

Meanwhile, the genocide in West Papua goes on – with not a squeak from the hypocritcal and delusional Socialist Rent-a-Crowd who pretend they are the only ones with a moral conscience.

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Nylex_Clock 7:41 am
22 Feb 14
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In fact, I’m very glad a bunch of these violent foreign thugs got the kicking they so richly deserve from a country whose law enforcement is clearly less timid than Australia’s.
We let these scum walk all over us. The authorities on Manus decided to take no crap. Good for them.

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ScienceRules 8:06 am
22 Feb 14
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Nylex_Clock said :

In fact, I’m very glad a bunch of these violent foreign thugs got the kicking they so richly deserve from a country whose law enforcement is clearly less timid than Australia’s.
We let these scum walk all over us. The authorities on Manus decided to take no crap. Good for them.

Nice channeling of Alan Jones there mate.

The fact is that refugees arriving by boat are as legitimate as refugees arriving by any other means. Your incandescent rage notwithstanding, many of us are “taxpayers and citizens and have a stake in the issue” (as if that was relevant). We also think that the behaviour of the Abbot government is appalling, illegal and a blight on humanity.

Previous governments were little better but the current mob of thugs and neocons are an embarrasment to Australia. We can do so much better than this.

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Mysteryman 8:36 am
22 Feb 14
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IrishPete said :

“A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.”

The boats have not stopped. The drownings have not stopped. What has happened is that the government no longer tells you anything. Today they refused to answer any questions about how many boats were intercepted. I am sure if it was “none” they would have said so. And it’s very easy to claim there are no drownings if you don’t send anyone to look for the bodies, washing your hands like Pontius Pilot or Lady MacBeth.

Sure, the number boats has probably reduced because of the extremely harsh treatment being meted out. I wonder how the people involved in that – politicians, Customs, Navy, Immigration, private security companies -,can sleep at night. Would they have done the same to Jews fleeing persecution in 1930s and 1940s Europe. Almost definitely. Godwin’s Law does not apply, because this is a valid comparison.

IP

So firstly you claim the boats and drownings haven’t stopped, then you claim the government is hiding all the information. If the government is hiding all the information, how the hell would you know if the boats and drownings continue?

You don’t know.

As for the “extreme harsh treatment”… I hardly think having to wait in a detention centre while your claim is processed qualifies as “extreme harsh treatment”. The simple fact is that under the refugee convention we are not required to grant these people asylum as they haven’t arrived directly from the place they are fleeing. We have every right to treat them as illegal arrivals – that’s what they are. It’s not a grey area. I can’t comment on the conditions over on Manus Island but quite frankly legitimate refugees fleeing a country for the sake of their safety are in no place to make demands on their hosts. The average time a person is in detention is 115 days. I’m ok with someone spending that kind of time in a detention centre while the government tries to figure out why all their paperwork has mysteriously disappeared and where they’ve come from. Four months waiting with shelter, food, water, and no fear of being killed is a short period of time for someone fleeing for their life. If they act violently and riot/break out of a detention centre they were sent to while their claim for asylum is processed, they should get a free ride straight back home.

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Mysteryman 8:38 am
22 Feb 14
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Weatherman said :

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps.

I think this would be a good approach if the government decides to increase out refugee intake.

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dungfungus 9:18 am
22 Feb 14
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Nylex_Clock said :

IrishPete said :

The boats have not stopped. The drownings have not stopped.

Got any evidence/data for those assertions?

No?

Thought not.

As a taxpayer and a citizen, I am a stakeholder in this issue: I do not believe people should be rewarded for thumbing their noses at Australian law by quite deliberately entering AUstralia illegally with a view to manipulating our clearly defective asylum laws.

They are obviously not refugees, they are scammers, cheats and frauds who are essentially stealing from me and my fellow taxpayers.

Meanwhile, the genocide in West Papua goes on – with not a squeak from the hypocritcal and delusional Socialist Rent-a-Crowd who pretend they are the only ones with a moral conscience.

How can you be so right about this issue and so wrong about climate change?

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Nylex_Clock 9:48 am
22 Feb 14
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DrKoresh said :

Roundhead89 said :

A sad, pathetic occasion attended by delusional people with no brains. The boats have stopped, the mass drownings at sea have stopped and our welfare system is no longer being abused by these scumbags. I am sure that in left wing Canberra there will be a big turnout to this rally but that doesn’t alter the fact that they are idiots on the wrong side of history.

You are scum,(allegedly) human scum <3 :)

No, the scum are the people who encouraged 5,000 to drown themselves at sea by advocating defective border enforcement.

Feeling proud?

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IrishPete 11:26 am
22 Feb 14
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Nylex_Clock seems to be an agent provocateur for the humanitarian lobby. Why else would s/he claim 5000 drownings, five times more than even the Australian Government is claiming? (Having earlier asked me for evidence that the boats haven’t stopped and the drownings haven’t stopped!) Good work there N_C, you ill draw out the fools who agree with you and show them up for what they are.

Now, for evidence the boats haven’t stopped and the drownings haven’t stopped:

Here just one example in December of deaths at sea: http://www.news.com.au/national/twoyearold-child-among-three-asylum-seekers-who-drowned-off-indonesia-enroute-to-australia/story-fncynjr2-1226780024715 and for evidence they haven’t stopped: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/asylumseeker-lifeboat-pictures-arresting-pm/story-e6frg6n6-1226815620839 I have deliberately chosen the Murdoch media as the sources. There are many other sources and many other incidents.

Of course the information on these incidents, and many many more, does not come from the Australian Government, who won’t comment on things that might be inconvenient – “operational matters” gets rolled out as an excuse when they don’t want to comment, ignored when they want to report their idea of “good news”. The information comes from Indonesian Government and media, or community, and as you imply correctly with your comments about West Papua, the Indonesians are not always reliable either. In the early days, when asylum seekers were still being landed on Christmas Island, information also came from Christmas Island residents who believe in freedom of information (one of the cornerstones of democracy).

The body counters also like to ignore that there were hundreds of drownings under Howard’s “Pacific Solution” too. Here are two sources that predate the federal election: http://theconversation.com/factcheck-have-more-than-1000-asylum-seekers-died-at-sea-under-labor-16221 and https://theconversation.com/stop-the-deaths-rescuing-asylum-seekers-is-an-integrity-issue-13071
Don’t you remember Siev X? An inconvenient truth perhaps?

Now for Mysteryman’s fictional claims about detention – where does your claim of 115 days average come from? There is no processing taking place, so that has to be made up, or refer to a period when processing was taking place. No processing means that detention becomes indefinite. That in itself is harsh, regardless of the physical conditions (which are also harsh).

Seeking asylum is not illegal in a country that is a signatory to the refugee convention. Doesn’t matter how many times you repeat a lie, it remains a lie.

But the more serious point is that you cannot measure the effectiveness of government polices over a short period of time, most recently coinciding with the monsoon season when boat departures always reduced. Nor can you measure the effectiveness in the absence of reliable information, nor when the politicians move the goal posts from “boat departures” to “boat arrivals”. Regardless of your support for or opposition to the current government’s policies, or the previous governments, if you are anything but a party flunky, you will believe in reasonable access to information. Labor may have been over the top with their blow-by-blow reporting, the current mob have swung too far the other way.

IP
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IrishPete 11:34 am
22 Feb 14
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Nylex_Clock said :

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Feeling proud?

I am very proud of my consistent opposition to inhumane illegal treatment of asylum seekers under Howard, Gillard, Rudd again briefly and now Abbott. Very very proud.

IP

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IrishPete 11:36 am
22 Feb 14
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“I am very proud of my consistent opposition to inhumane illegal treatment of asylum seekers under Howard, Gillard, Rudd again briefly and now Abbott. Very very proud.

IP”

I think I stuffed up the quote-editing in that one, so I encourage people to respond to this one instead, or we’ll all drown in italics (bad pun, not intended as a pun).

IP

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Masquara 12:23 pm
22 Feb 14
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We don’t know the circumstances around his death though! This is inappropriate and maudlin.

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