Shane wants your thoughts on traffic management in Weston Creek and Tuggeranong

By 15 November, 2012 50

The new mayor Shane Rattenbury is getting stuck in to the job by seeking the public’s views on the vexed issue of traffic management on residential street in parts southern.

“These studies will examine traffic conditions and safety on local roads and provide residents the opportunity to express their views on how to improve their local streets,” Mr Rattenbury said.

“We want to ensure local streets are safe for drivers, but also that they are safe and welcoming neighbourhoods, where people can walk and cycle, and where children can play safely.

“One study will look at Streeton Drive between Hindmarsh Drive and Namatjira Drive, while two other separate studies will examine Tuggeranong streets, including Coyne Street, Clift Crescent, Hambidge Crescent and Heagney Crescent.

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50 Responses to Shane wants your thoughts on traffic management in Weston Creek and Tuggeranong
#1
maxblues2:02 pm, 15 Nov 12

Narrow the roads, install lots of speed humps, then install an expensive electric light rail system which starts 30km away and heads in the opposite direction. That should ‘manage’ things nicely.

#2
KB19712:46 pm, 15 Nov 12

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Ashley, Isabella and Johnson drives to a lesser extent.

Then we can work on the rest.

#3
maxblues4:32 pm, 15 Nov 12

KB1971 said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Ashley, Isabella and Johnson drives to a lesser extent.

Then we can work on the rest.

Sorry KB, I think you are sadly mistaken if you think that the Green’s (correct punctuation) ‘traffic management’ equals ‘improving roads’.

#4
PrinceOfAles5:12 pm, 15 Nov 12

How about we set up road blocks so no bogans can leave Tuggeranong. Ever.

#5
KB19716:08 pm, 15 Nov 12

maxblues said :

KB1971 said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Ashley, Isabella and Johnson drives to a lesser extent.

Then we can work on the rest.

Sorry KB, I think you are sadly mistaken if you think that the Green’s (correct punctuation) ‘traffic management’ equals ‘improving roads’.

Sadly i think you are right.

#6
KB19716:08 pm, 15 Nov 12

PrinceOfAles said :

How about we set up road blocks so no bogans can leave Tuggeranong. Ever.

Can we have the same for Belconnen, its only fair.

#7
Antagonist6:23 pm, 15 Nov 12

KB1971 said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Ashley, Isabella and Johnson drives to a lesser extent.

Then we can work on the rest.

+1. And I’ll raise you the stretch of Lanyon Drive between Cawell/Theodore.

#8
Woody Mann-Caruso6:33 pm, 15 Nov 12

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

#9
miz6:39 pm, 15 Nov 12

Getting from Simpson’s Hill to the park on Heagney and Deamer means crossing Heagney. Need an underpass.

#10
How_Canberran6:47 pm, 15 Nov 12

And so we have our first taste of Lord Rattenbury’s decision-making capability. No need for the hard calls expected of an elected (?) representative…just throw everything out for good ol’ public consultation. That way, we can duck and weave when Ministerial ‘accountability’ rears its head at Council Question Time.

How Canberran.

#11
gooterz8:49 pm, 15 Nov 12

This just means speed camera on suburban streets.

If they have enough cars they might be worth it.

Nice to see they’re upgrading, civic, belconnen, parkes way. Northbourne – gungahlin with light rail.

Has anyone driven on the parkway yet?

When it rains you aqua plane like a bobsledder.

When its busy you have traffic everywhere.

When there is an accident its a 5-7 car pileup.

Adjacent to the parkway is the corridor left for Mass Transit or more lanes!

Government wont encourage any businesses to Tuggeranong except centrelink.
So say only 15% of tuggeranong has to travel into civic and back each day.
15k people doing 25km would be 300,000 km collectively per day.
Which is also the distance of the earth to the moon.

42k people in Gungahlin, if 15% went to civic thats 73,000km a day.

#12
Masquara9:22 pm, 15 Nov 12

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

#13
Masquara9:25 pm, 15 Nov 12

Will Shane’s staff be catching the bus to the community consultations?

#14
Masquara9:27 pm, 15 Nov 12

And will the questionnaires being delivered to households by this GREEN minister be on recycled paper AND carbon offset?

#15
Tetranitrate11:06 pm, 15 Nov 12

PrinceOfAles said :

How about we set up road blocks so no bogans can leave Tuggeranong. Ever.

I really don’t get the whole Tuggeranong = bogans thing.
I’ve lived in various parts of Belconnen and the Inner North as well as more recently in Tuggeranong – frankly I don’t notice that much difference between the first and the last. Every Calwell has its Kippax and every Jamison its Erindale.

#16
KB19719:04 am, 16 Nov 12

Tetranitrate said :

PrinceOfAles said :

How about we set up road blocks so no bogans can leave Tuggeranong. Ever.

I really don’t get the whole Tuggeranong = bogans thing.
I’ve lived in various parts of Belconnen and the Inner North as well as more recently in Tuggeranong – frankly I don’t notice that much difference between the first and the last. Every Calwell has its Kippax and every Jamison its Erindale.

Seems to be a northsider thing. Back in 1990 before I moved here, when I used to visit some friends in Belco they used to slag the southsiders off then. I lived all over Canberra in share accommodation for a couple of years before settling in Tuggeranong in 1994.

Favourite places? Rivett & Jerrabomberra (before it grew). Would I move back to Belco? Not by choice, I like the south & its access to the hills & fishing.

#17
Gungahlin Al9:13 am, 16 Nov 12

Masquara said :

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

Masquara said :

Will Shane’s staff be catching the bus to the community consultations?

Masquara said :

And will the questionnaires being delivered to households by this GREEN minister be on recycled paper AND carbon offset?

You really are pathetic aren’t you?
If you have nothing to bring to the discussion, how about just shutting up?

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

What he said.

#18
KB19719:17 am, 16 Nov 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

Live in Coyne St do you?

I agree something needs to be done there but all this faffing around is not really addressing more pressing issues in that part of the valley. If Ashley/Erindale drive was not such a clusterf#%k in the morning people would be less likely to rat run through Gowrie to get over to Chisholm.

There are a number of roads that need attention, start with the big picture first.

#19
Here_and_Now9:27 am, 16 Nov 12

How_Canberran said :

And so we have our first taste of Lord Rattenbury’s decision-making capability. No need for the hard calls expected of an elected (?) representative…just throw everything out for good ol’ public consultation. That way, we can duck and weave when Ministerial ‘accountability’ rears its head at Council Question Time.

How Canberran.

It seems reasonable that if he’s looking to improve traffic things somewhere that he ask the people who drive there.

Besides, when there isn’t a public consultation, people instead kick up a fuss over not being consulted and gripe about that instead.

How very, as you say, Canberran.

#20
KaptnKaos9:44 am, 16 Nov 12

Masquara said :

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

He’s just a bunny, he’s there to reduce the amount of traffic by introducing Katydid’s toll on the parkway and GDE.

Tuggeranong roads have been crap for years, there have been many many many promises made at election time to fix them, but rather than fixing them it seems to be more important to dump a great hunk of metal in the middle of it and call it art. It’s not just the maintenance of them either, the amount of rubbish/building material that is strewn over them is ridiculous, so much for the “tying down your loads laws” being enforced – and then there are the trees that are growing through many of the cracks in the roads, parts of the concrete dividers on the parkway are turning into nature strips.

#21
Jim Jones10:01 am, 16 Nov 12

Masquara said :

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

Ah, the wondrous smell of sour grapes mixed with futile bile and stirred with impotent rage.

#22
poetix10:15 am, 16 Nov 12

Every site needs a resident pitbull. Our persistent growler just happens to wear mascara.

#23
Antagonist10:41 am, 16 Nov 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

Of course we are complaining – because nobody in government is freakin listening. Tuggeranong residents are simply repeating the same thing they have been shouting for over 25 years: we need to duplicate the main arterial roads. This will reduce much of the traffic flow through suburbs on roads such as Coyne, Heagney, Clift etc. Adding more chicanes and speed humps to suburban roads will do nothing to reduce the number of rat-runners. It will just be another band-aid solution to a much bigger problem, which will need to be addressed sooner or later anyway.

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is. The government have had their heads in the sand for years. Delaying duplication is delaying the inevitable.

#24
Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd10:53 am, 16 Nov 12

Masquara said :

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

Are you honestly that dense?

#25
NoImRight11:06 am, 16 Nov 12

poetix said :

Every site needs a resident pitbull. Our persistent growler just happens to wear mascara.

I actually thought he’d go away after the election. Its not funny anymore, now its just sad.

#26
Gungahlin Al11:41 am, 16 Nov 12

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

#27
Innovation11:52 am, 16 Nov 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

I agree. My gripes are that there should be more info available about why the Government chooses to consider some roads over others, deadlines should be set for consultation periods (and subsequent implementation of any ideas or decisions) and they should be held accountable for any deadlines that they miss.

#28
maxblues12:52 pm, 16 Nov 12

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

There are arterial roads in these areas that needed upgrading 10 years ago and have been put under further pressure by all the development in the Lanyon Valley. The Labor government must have been aware of this the entire time that they have been in power so it is a little disconcerting when you say that Rattenbury has publicly acknowledged that this is not his field of expertise and that he will not be relying on the advice of his staff. Why is there a failure in planning or perhaps a failure to follow a plan? Katy Gallagher spoke on radio this morning about the evidence from the election result of voter concerns on local issues, referring to Brindabella and this is also a worry, because she acknowledged that all funds for transport infrastructure were earmarked for the north side to be spent on light rail and Majura Parkway. It seems to be a cunning plan to use the Rattenbury/Tuggeranong/Weston consultation is a smokescreen to make Brindabella voters think they are not forgotten but not letting on that funds for work in their area may not be available for another 10 years.
Before someone snipes in that I am just bitter…you’re damn right, I’m one of the 50% of Canberrans bitter after the last election, but I am more bitter about the fact that up until the last election I had always voted Labor but became disillusioned with what they failed to achieve (and subsequent blame/excuses).

#29
PantsMan1:18 pm, 16 Nov 12

PantsMan said :

“We want to ensure local streets are safe for drivers, but also that they are safe and welcoming neighbourhoods, where people can walk and cycle, and where children can play safely.

Why don’t you just ban cars Shane. Worked for plastic bags. Or maybe have a target of Zero Traffic by 2050?

#30
Antagonist1:24 pm, 16 Nov 12

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

Ergo, whenever we get a new minister, any and all traffic studies/consultations undertaken by TaMS in the preceeding 5 years should be thrown out the window? Come off it, Al. The minister is new. TaMS functions and its ongoing projects are not new.

Rattenbury already knows what the issues are. He said so himself with “Residents of these streets are increasingly concerned about traffic issues such as speeding and ‘rat running’.” So it seems the public have already told him what their concerns are. Since he knows what the issues are, are the consultations and studies still necessary? Doubtful – I think this one is more about appearances than outcomes.

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