Shane wants your thoughts on urban 40 zones

By 16 December, 2013 46

Mayor Rattenbury is looking for your feedback on town centre speed limits:

Minister for Territory and Municipal Services, Shane Rattenbury, today invited Canberrans to provide feedback in relation to the 40 kilometre per hour (40 km/h) speed limit precincts in the Civic, Belconnen and Tuggeranong town centres.

“Following the successful introduction of reduced speed limit precincts in Gungahlin and Woden last year, 40 km/h precincts were expanded to the Civic, Belconnen and Tuggeranong town centres in June 2013,” Mr Rattenbury said.

“The slower speed environments were introduced to improve safety for all road users and, in particular, help make travel in town centres safer and more comfortable for pedestrians, cyclists and other vulnerable road users.”

The precincts in each of the three town centres were identified as suitable locations due to high pedestrian movements and a minimum of 400 metres of retail and commercial development.

Mr Rattenbury said the ACT Government has commenced an evaluation of the 40 km/h speed precinctsin Belconnen, Civic and Tuggeranong which have now been in place for around six months on a fulltimebasis (24 hours a day, seven days a week).

“In addition to conducting speed and traffic volume surveys at each town centre, the Government is seeking community feedback on the effectiveness of these reduced speed limits in improving safety for vulnerable road users.

“I encourage local residents and traders, to take the time to have their say on the introduction of these precincts,” Mr Rattenbury concluded.

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46 Responses to Shane wants your thoughts on urban 40 zones
#1
buzz8192:23 pm, 16 Dec 13

Wow!

I think they are a massive win, since we have had them I don’t think there was any pedestrian fatalities in those areas, they have also stopped the attacks from wild bears and tigers. These 40 zones are outstanding!

#2
c_c™2:41 pm, 16 Dec 13

Can’t complain about the 40 zones, in post places the traffic was already doing 40 in practice, the problem is the damn speed cushions they’ve installed like between Homeworld the the Hyperdome, which in effect make the 40 zone a 10 zone and gives your spine a nice realignment.

#3
Thumper3:12 pm, 16 Dec 13

I would be happy to see 40kph in all suburban streets.

#4
460cixy3:47 pm, 16 Dec 13

40 is fine suspension. Smashing speed bumps are not

#5
watto234:23 pm, 16 Dec 13

I’m happy to support the 40 zones in areas like shopping centres etc, as long as we get rid of the silly 90 zones on the monaro and GDE and make them 100 like they should be.

#6
Antagonist4:59 pm, 16 Dec 13

c_c™ said :

Can’t complain about the 40 zones, in post places the traffic was already doing 40 in practice, the problem is the damn speed cushions they’ve installed like between Homeworld the the Hyperdome, which in effect make the 40 zone a 10 zone and gives your spine a nice realignment.

+1. The 40 zones are a good thing, although traffic generally moved at <40km/h around these areas already. The speed cushions are a joke, with many treating them as a challenge. My 'blue bogan ute of death' can only get over them at a crawl anyway (less than 5km/h). Meanwhile P-platers and SUV/4WD owners see them as a challenge and (literally) INCREASE their speed for them. I have on more than one occasion seen 4WD's hit them at 40km/h or faster, going around cars that are in the process of crawling over them.

#7
Madam Cholet6:29 pm, 16 Dec 13

I agree about the speed bumps but if you contrast this with London Circuit where there are no speed humps, the speed limit for most drivers continues to be 60. I cross London Circuit right outside of the police station and one would have thought that with a new regime in place they would make the effort to have a go at policing it. Easy money one would have thought seeing as most drivers ignore the signs.

But No siree. I think they are all out the back smoking.

#8
rhino7:13 pm, 16 Dec 13

I think it comes down to whether or not people were already going that speed. In Gungahlin on hibberson street, nobody ever really goes above 40 because of all the pedestrian crossings, intersections and the narrow road not allowing much traffic flow, especially with lights at the end and people turning every which way. So there, it’s not such a big deal. Although at 4am driving through there at 40kph is probably slightly annoyingly slow but you generally wouldn’t need to go through there because everything there would be closed anyway.

But London circuit is unnecessary. People go faster than 40kph there because there’s no good reason for it to be 40kph. It seems to drag on endlessly at 40kph without any justification for it. For policies like this, I think the best approach is making decisions on an evidence basis. You shouldn’t arbitrarily reduce speed limits for no reason. If there is a large quantity of pedestrians being hit by cars at that location AND it turns out that the reason for it is because they were going too fast (within the speed limit) to stop in time, THEN you should reduce the speed limit. You don’t reduce the limit because it’s “safer” for no reason. That being said, I do have a lot of praise for this consultation phase. At least Shane is trying it and seeing if it works and hopefully if there is no or very minimal safety increase, then he will reverse the decision. That at least builds further evidence for the future. If it was lowered without the number of pedestrian car accidents decreasing, and subsequently the limit was increased with no effect, then the evidence very clearly demonstrates that the limit is appropriate. I will be somewhat annoyed however if the consultation and the evidence of accidents both say that the limit decrease on London Circuit was unnecessary but he then leaves it in place. That would be a waste of everyone’s time.

#9
kakosi9:53 pm, 16 Dec 13

Because so many people are being hit by cars in the city? Where are the statistics and evidence to support this change?

#10
thatsnotme10:04 pm, 16 Dec 13

Seriously, put some paint on the road. Every 50 meters or so, paint a bloody big ’40′ on the road.

#11
gooterz10:13 pm, 16 Dec 13

40 km/h speed zones increases global warming.

#12
BimboGeek10:40 pm, 16 Dec 13

Maybe the CBD would have more sensible traffic if they got around to installing a proper North-South bypass. It needn’t be perfect and could be cobbled together from a combination of existing roads and new ones, but it needs to be figured out soon. Northbourne Ave is a mess that belongs in a city a quarter the size, it takes an hour to get along it during peak.

#13
bigfeet11:05 pm, 16 Dec 13

gooterz said :

40 km/h speed zones increases global warming.

But this is off-set by the plastic bag ban isn’t it?

#14
magiccar911:11 pm, 16 Dec 13

How can you claim these areas are a “success”? What is success and failure being measured against? If someone gets hit by a car do they say “well that’s a failure, let’s undo the changes”.
As others have said already, the speeds in these areas were already low due to all sorts of reasons. The additions of the inverted potholes have now slowed traffic to <10km/h. But alas, they won't get ripped up because its Shane's master plan to play traffic controller like a big boy.

#15
shauno11:51 pm, 16 Dec 13

40 zones news to me. I work overseas for a great deal of the time but ive been driving around belco and Civic and no idea it was a 40 zone.

#16
HiddenDragon11:55 pm, 16 Dec 13

Sounds like another very open evaluation.

#17
gooterz12:27 am, 17 Dec 13

bigfeet said :

gooterz said :

40 km/h speed zones increases global warming.

But this is off-set by the plastic bag ban isn’t it?

Since the plastic bag ban there has been a huge increase in the number of indecent acts with industrial demolition equipment in the united states.

On a less practical note, how did the new alcohol restrictions go? Complete failure..
Same sex marriage? Complete failure.
Skywhale? Who knows.
DFO? Soccer would cup bid? House prices?
Infrastructure Australia bid?
Parking?
Its like they don’t want to be elected.

The only thing that’s actually worked is the arboretum.

40 km/h zones are just a hatchet job to fix bad planning.

#18
c_c™12:36 am, 17 Dec 13

BimboGeek said :

Maybe the CBD would have more sensible traffic if they got around to installing a proper North-South bypass. It needn’t be perfect and could be cobbled together from a combination of existing roads and new ones, but it needs to be figured out soon. Northbourne Ave is a mess that belongs in a city a quarter the size, it takes an hour to get along it during peak.

They’re building one, it’s called Majura Parkway. And that adds to the GDE on the other side. Plenty of North-south routes without ploughing through the CBD.

As for Northbourne, George St in Sydney is no larger and in parts of the CBD has fewer lanes than Northbourne. Pitt St is 4 lanes down to two depending on time and location in the CBD. And where as neither George nor Pitt St have space to grow, Northbourne could have an extra lane added each way plus light rail. So not too bad a road after all.

#19
wildturkeycanoe6:22 am, 17 Dec 13

gooterz said :

bigfeet said :

gooterz said :

40 km/h speed zones increases global warming.

But this is off-set by the plastic bag ban isn’t it?

Since the plastic bag ban there has been a huge increase in the number of indecent acts with industrial demolition equipment in the united states.

On a less practical note, how did the new alcohol restrictions go? Complete failure..
Same sex marriage? Complete failure.
Skywhale? Who knows.
DFO? Soccer would cup bid? House prices?
Infrastructure Australia bid?
Parking?
Its like they don’t want to be elected.

The only thing that’s actually worked is the arboretum.

40 km/h zones are just a hatchet job to fix bad planning.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the arboretum failed too, or at least it’s photographic policies did. anyway.

I had no idea London Circuit was 40 either. I drove through there yesterday and was sure I saw a 60km/h sign outside the Legislative Assembly. Then again, there are so many signs, distractions, trees, traffic and pedestrians, it’s a lot to take in while you try to get to Northbourne Avenue. Now had they placed big rubber speed bumps on the road……

#20
miz7:28 am, 17 Dec 13

’40 km/h zones are just a hatchet job to fix bad planning.’ So are speed bumps. I boycott / avoid speed bump roads as I love my car too much. Not sure if that’s what they’re aiming for though. It might be interesting to see how trade has suffered in the adjacent town centre areas since the 40 k zones/ speed bumps have been in place.

#21
BimboGeek7:44 am, 17 Dec 13

c_c you raise some good points. Let’s see some of those ideas finished (or gee, at least started) before we complain too much about the city traffic.

#22
BimboGeek7:48 am, 17 Dec 13

miz said :

’40 km/h zones are just a hatchet job to fix bad planning.’ So are speed bumps. I boycott / avoid speed bump roads as I love my car too much. Not sure if that’s what they’re aiming for though. It might be interesting to see how trade has suffered in the adjacent town centre areas since the 40 k zones/ speed bumps have been in place.

Speed bumps slow down emergency vehicles. They kill many more people than they save. This is such a well estsblished scientific fact that it’s a wonder they are still allowed at all.

#23
steveu9:40 am, 17 Dec 13

No doubt the 40km zones in the shopping districts has been positive. This a sensible move that has been a long time coming. Pretty hard to argue otherwise.

As for suburban streets…only if you want the cyclists to outrun the cars – and I presume they will start getting booked too…

If a suburban street (or network of streets) is identified as a ‘ratrun’ (and how is a ‘ratrun’ fairly decided?) then perhaps.

#24
dtc9:44 am, 17 Dec 13

BimboGeek said :

Speed bumps slow down emergency vehicles. They kill many more people than they save. This is such a well estsblished scientific fact that it’s a wonder they are still allowed at all.

Really? People die from that extra 7 seconds it takes to go over 2 or 3 speed bumps?

Available solutions to slow people down are (a) speed limts – often ignored so ineffective; (b) cicanes – requires roads to be realigned, the space to do it etc plus people often drive straight over the top because they arent paying attention or (c) speed bumps – the cheapest and most effective.

What option do you advocate?

#25
Innovation9:59 am, 17 Dec 13

shauno said :

40 zones news to me. I work overseas for a great deal of the time but ive been driving around belco and Civic and no idea it was a 40 zone.

I must admit that more could be done to designate entering a 40 zone area (eg painted speed limits on the road or, gradually, raised pedestrian crossings), however, with all of the traffic around, it would be pretty hard getting over 40 in the few areas that have been zoned as such so far.

It wouldn’t hurt for all suburban streets including some 60 zones to be changed to 40 zones. It might add a minute or two to people’s trips but it would go a long way towards changing the aggressive culture on roads. Harsh speed bumps and cushions actually disrupt traffic flow. Traffic islands and chicanes would be much better and smoother speed control devices – even if a little more expensive. The best option though would be to dramatically increase (or add) penalties based on the percentage of speed above a limit eg, 50% over limit equals license suspension, 100% over equals license cancellation and loss of car.

#26
zorro2910:12 am, 17 Dec 13

buzz819 said :

Wow!

they have also stopped the attacks from wild bears and tigers. These 40 zones are outstanding!

works for me…i’d like to purchase these 40km/hr zones

#27
PantsMan10:15 am, 17 Dec 13

Will this apply to bikes, Shane?

#28
Canberroid10:18 am, 17 Dec 13

c_c™ said :

BimboGeek said :

Maybe the CBD would have more sensible traffic if they got around to installing a proper North-South bypass. It needn’t be perfect and could be cobbled together from a combination of existing roads and new ones, but it needs to be figured out soon. Northbourne Ave is a mess that belongs in a city a quarter the size, it takes an hour to get along it during peak.

They’re building one, it’s called Majura Parkway. And that adds to the GDE on the other side. Plenty of North-south routes without ploughing through the CBD.

Not really if you’re going from Woden area to Dickson area. It wouldn’t be so bad if some of the intersections through Civic were removed, though traffic backs up at major intersections all the way to Dickson anyway.

#29
Watson10:20 am, 17 Dec 13

I wish they would just make some of these areas into pedestrian zones instead. Like the busy part of Hibberson Street in Gungahlin. Why would anyone have to drive through there? There is no access to carparks, except for those rare kerb-side parks and there are parallel streets on both sides, which do offer access to multiple carparks. I never drive through there because you have to go way slower than 40 when it’s busy because of the umpteen pedestrian crossings.

#30
Antagonist11:19 am, 17 Dec 13

dtc said :

Available solutions to slow people down are (a) speed limts – often ignored so ineffective; (b) cicanes – requires roads to be realigned, the space to do it etc plus people often drive straight over the top because they arent paying attention or (c) speed bumps – the cheapest and most effective.

What option do you advocate?

Think about the BS you have been spinning here.

1. You claim that people drive straight over the top of chicanes because they are not paying attention – total BS. If people are not paying attention to the road to the point that they are going right over the top of a chicane, then they should hand in their drivers license. Or put their phone down so they can watch the road! These people are going to have an accident no matter what traffic calming measures are used.

2. Speed humps are only slowing SOME road users. As I have pointed out earlier, many P-platers/SUV/4WD owners see it as a challenge to find out how fast they can actually get over them, often overtaking other cars in the process. Speed humps are indeed a cheap alternative. But hardly the most effective. They do not slow down those vehicles that I, as a husband/parent/pedestrian, would like to see slowed down the most!

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