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Snowtown über alles

By 28 August 2009 27

Canberra Airport’s vision of a 24 hour freight hub has been greenlit by the Federal Infrastructure Minister Mr Carmel Tebbutt, Member for Marrickville Mr Anthony Albanese, Member for Grayndler.
Sydney’s second airport, here we come.

Despite Village Building Company (owners of the now potentially doomed Tralee proposal) filing 155 page submission on the 2009 Draft Master Plan, and many more by other less significant interests, apparently nothing can stop Snowtown.

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27 Responses to Snowtown über alles
#1
Spam Box7:03 pm, 28 Aug 09

“Sydney’s second airport, here we come.”

ROFL

You should write for the DT

#2
2620watcher7:18 pm, 28 Aug 09

This will allow for Brand Depot to shut down gracefully and turn itself into a freight depot. Perfect to receive and dispatch freight to and from Sydney via an upgraded Majura Ave.

#3
Granny7:20 pm, 28 Aug 09

Well, that sucks.

#4
housebound7:40 pm, 28 Aug 09

Now the Curfew4Canberra people can really get going. If the noise is as bad as claimed, they’ll go from being a small group of NOMBYs (not over my backyard) to something more to be reckoned wth. Of course, that assumes the federal government even cares about the amenity of Act residents.

(Hmmm, it seems the moderators like your version of this better than mine – probably because you bothered to fnd those extra links.)

#5
bd848:29 pm, 28 Aug 09

Common sense prevails. Though the document is only a plan, I’m sure there will be plenty of NOMBYS (as referred to above) will be rounding up the masses (or lack there of) for their campaign. Someone always needs to start whinging before something actually happens.

#6
Digga8:51 pm, 28 Aug 09

What’s that song by The Supremes, playing on the Snows’ radio? Oh yes, “There’s No Stopping Us Now”…

#7
tommy9:53 pm, 28 Aug 09

I think the ball is now in the state/territory and federal politicians arena. It’ll be a lovely political football for them for the next 50 years.

I think once people realise that Tralee isn’t the actual issue, it’s the existing residential areas of Canberra and Queanbeyan – eg I reckon it’ll be those lovely penthouses on Lake Burley Griffin hearing the freight jets all night.

Once the car traffic dies down at night – you can hear a long way, all the way to the airport.

#8
flag_elation_fanatic10:01 pm, 28 Aug 09

For those of us who grew up in Hackett in the halcyon days of 727s and DC9s the sight of the Hackett-based anti-aircraft noise rabble brings a wry smile to the dial. These days if you concentrate really hard and are determined to be upset by the distant noise of climbing 737s, you can be. But it takes effort, and for the vast majority of inner north residents the supposed impact of the aircraft is minimal and is easily ignored. In the 60s and 70s, it was real noise, not like the namby pamby efforts of today’s high bypass engines. For a good two minutes back then it was difficult to hear a normal TV or radio, and even speaking on the phone was often affected. And if you were outside the noise was invasive for up to a full five minutes, meaning the aircraft was probably over Gundaroo before it could no longer be clearly heard.

So, my new wave of Hackett whingers, perhaps you need to take a step back from your absurd posturing and just get on with life and stop leaning out the windows in the hope of being agitated and annoyed by the benign distant rumbles of departing aircraft.

#9
shauno1:49 am, 29 Aug 09

I agree with the above comment the noise is minimal and as for the comment about penthouses on Lake Burley Griffin most of them have double glazing so you cant here a thing lol.

#10
JC3:43 am, 29 Aug 09

2620watcher said :

This will allow for Brand Depot to shut down gracefully and turn itself into a freight depot. Perfect to receive and dispatch freight to and from Sydney via an upgraded Majura Ave.

It is what it should have been all along. Don’t see it happening though.

#11
harvyk18:57 am, 29 Aug 09

People chose to live near an airport, or under a flight path. Given the airport was in the plan from a very early stage in the development of Canberra I can hold no sympathy for anyone who lives close by.

Have planes gotten louder, yes and no. As flag_elation_fanatic points out canberra airport used to have B727′s flying into it, a plane which is no longer allowed to operate in europe because of the noise. So in reality the airport is getting quiter.

Furthermore, for an airport of canberra’s size, there is only so many planes which can land before the issue of physical space comes into play. Remember it only has one runway capable of landing anything of a decent size, one small terminal parking space, and no real freight handling facility (at this stage).

I don’t know how much freight SYD currently gets, but I can’t see mac airports giving that up any time soon without a big fight on his hands. Furthermore with the limited amount of passanger flights, coupled with the fact that there is only one flight per day which can really take freight (qantas’s daily B767 service to melbourne, B737′s and smaller are not really suited to taking fright, given the lack of ability to take pallets) elsewhere in aus if it’s not for canberra, I really don’t see this becoming a reality.

#12
sepi10:47 am, 29 Aug 09

CT today suggests Canberra airport could get busier than Sydney – definitely overnight, seeing as they have a curfew so we’d be getting all overnight traffic for NSW.
The snows have previously committed to rebuilding hte entire airport facilities to accomodate increased planes.

This decision was inevitable when it came down to a few concerned residents vs the Minister for Sydney airport, looking to offload some aircraft noise.

Where was our government in all this protecting our rights?

#13
Bundybear11:34 am, 29 Aug 09

I’ve been around for a while now, and I still haven’t quite got my head around this. How come Snow seems to get whatever he wants regardless of how it impacts the rest of the universe? Can anyone seriously mount an argument for Canberra becoming a freight hub for Sydney and picking up a service that Sydney won’t allow? What does one need to do to get that sort of power?

#14
Fluges12:27 pm, 29 Aug 09

I live to the north of Canberra and the first flight in the mornings is my alarm clock. I can’t imagine what it’s going to be like with them flying overhead all through the night.

#15
shauno5:28 pm, 29 Aug 09

If it effects you that much you cant get rockwool insulation pumped into the wall cavity and in the roof above your bedroom and get double glazing on the windows. To save money just do this in the bedroom and it will have a double benefit of saving on your power bills to.

#16
Deckard7:58 pm, 29 Aug 09

Well if it does end up having planes taking off all through the night and it does keep people awake there WILL be a curfew. People can put up with incomptence with their politicians but people losing sleep is likely to lose you an election.

#17
MrPC10:15 pm, 29 Aug 09

Planes taking off are no real issue. On the other hand, planes landing are a lot louder.

#18
Cobrico10:28 pm, 29 Aug 09

Well done ACT. The Feds take no notice of a town that votes Labor, Labor, Labor. We have just been walked over by the NSW Labor machine, you know, the one that thinks Nathan Rees should be Premier. We appear to have sublet management of the ACT to Eddie and Joe.

#19
vg12:05 am, 30 Aug 09

“CT today suggests Canberra airport could get busier than Sydney “

Your 1st problem is believing the sh*t they write.

I ‘could’ also be the PM one day.

If it does go 24, and that’s a monstrous ‘if’, the height/weight/noise/curfew restrictions will mean the sensitive petals on the northside will get their beauty sleep and be rested for their next NIMBY campaign

#20
bugmenot7:05 am, 30 Aug 09

Bundybear said :

I’ve been around for a while now, and I still haven’t quite got my head around this. How come Snow seems to get whatever he wants regardless of how it impacts the rest of the universe?

I seem to recall something about Snow actually owning the land that the airport is situated on — rather than the 99 year perpetual lease that forms the rest of Canberra. It may not even be considered as land within the ACT, so I guess marshall law starts to prevail.

#21
deezagood9:59 am, 30 Aug 09

I think the problem is that the current government knows that, no matter what it does, it will keep being re-elected. School closures, handling of the bushfires, the state of our medical system etc… and they still get re-elected. This ‘bullet-proof’ state gives them the sort of power needed to utterly ignore community wants and needs (and validates their ‘no real need for community consultation’ methodology). Basically they have been given licence to do whatever the hell they want. Agree totally with Cobrico – and there doesn’t seem to be a single thing that we can do about it.

#22
sepi10:41 am, 30 Aug 09

vg – they have just gone 24 hour, with sanction from the Federal govt, and there are no noise restrictions or a curfew.

#23
georgesgenitals12:09 pm, 30 Aug 09

vg said :

“CT today suggests Canberra airport could get busier than Sydney “

Your 1st problem is believing the sh*t they write.

I ‘could’ also be the PM one day.

If it does go 24, and that’s a monstrous ‘if’, the height/weight/noise/curfew restrictions will mean the sensitive petals on the northside will get their beauty sleep and be rested for their next NIMBY campaign

You seem to awful lot about, well, pretty much everything.

#24
Grail11:27 am, 31 Aug 09

Canberra Airport being upgraded to handle Sydney’s freight traffic has been on the cards for the best part of two decades. Not sure that a freight terminal will justify a high speed train, but you’ll certainly want a rail link in there at some point. Seems a bit stupid to sell off the existing rail corridor when we’re going to desperately need one in about five years time.

Just sayin’

#25
6xin1:15 pm, 31 Aug 09

Dang! This means we will have freigter 747′s roaring above Hackett and Watson till 3am in the morning. Many thanks Albo!

#26
SheepGroper12:32 pm, 02 Sep 09

An ABC new report confirms the Evil Empire’s freight hub plans.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/02/2673920.htm

It reports that, as usual, there was no sign of the airport contributing to upgrading infrastructure to deal with the increased traffic.

#27
peterh3:05 pm, 02 Sep 09

I know i am not the only one on here who has lived on a raaf base, and i can honestly say that the take-off noise of an f-111 is pretty loud, but, like everything else in life, you can adapt. I don’t hear piped music in malls, I have grown used to the noise after running a retail store. I don’t hear the noise of trains when i go home to visit family in adelaide, and my granny’s house is right next to the tracks…

most complaints seem to be based on the older and louder aircraft, not the newer and quieter jets that are in operation in the commercial sector now.

Initially, it will probably be noisy. In the long term, we probably won’t notice at all.

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