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So with fires all over Canberra today…

By johnboy - 5 January 2013 25

Who decided we’d buck the national trend in keeping a middling fire danger rating?

And what sanction will they face?

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So with fires all over Canberra today…
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Thumper 9:48 pm
05 Jan 13
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It was hot, but really no hotter than any other given day, and there was no wind.

I think the grass was about 70% cured so still a bit of moisture.

Apart from that RFS and SES crews have been stood up since Thursday, just in case. And really, fire danger ratings mean nothing. If it’s bloody hot then there’s obviously going to be a greater risk. And to add, it’s the 10 percenters who don’t care about these things and continue to light fires, throw cigarette butts out of car windows, etc.

However, if these temperatures keeps up for another week….

Just occured to me that it’s 10 years since the 2003 fires. Were that that long ago? Seems like yesterday, but conversely, seems like another lifetime away.

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erkel 10:50 pm
05 Jan 13
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FDI is based on an algorithm. If there was wind today the FDI would have been much higher.
http://www.firebreak.com.au/mcarthur_meter.html

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KB1971 8:24 am
06 Jan 13
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Fires all over Canberra?

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JC 8:27 am
06 Jan 13
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I would think those that make these decisions know exactly what they are talking about and what all the risk factors are that determine the fire rating.

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rescuedg 8:50 am
06 Jan 13
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That is a pretty inflammatory (no pun intended) question without doing any research into what a fire danger rating is. It is a specific set of indicators which determine both the likelihood of a fire starting and the ferocity of a fire should it begin (flame height, rate of spread, spotting distance). The FDR is not something that is just picked randomly from day to day. The indicators led to a Very High rating yesterday which was entirely appropriate given the predicted weather and fuel load in the ACT. Lightning caused a range of fires yesterday but as far as I am aware none of them posed a threat to life or property in Canberra and aside from those burning way out in the ranges were easily brought under control.

There is a wide range of material provided to the ACT community that correlates to these measures of fire danger. This material advises different courses of action depending on the FDR. On a Very High day like yesterday it is suggested that it is likely that a prepared property will provide adequate shelter and prepared individuals can defend their homes with a degree of safety, tick it over to the next level ‘Severe’ and people are advised to leave early, the next level after that ‘Extreme’ and people are advised that even a well prepared property may not provide shelter and you should leave early. So if you want to start a witch hunt against fire professionals for providing accurate advice to the Canberra community go ahead. I do enjoy the riotact for uniformed sensationalism.

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knuckles 9:33 am
06 Jan 13
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Why would the SES stand up for high fire danger days.

Surely the firies can call them in when they need someone to make their sandwiches.

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miz 10:09 am
06 Jan 13
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Sun morning updates from ESA on two fires in Namadgi – Sentry Box Mountain and Mt Ginini here: http://esa.act.gov.au
According to the ESA, both fires have been assessed as low-moderate with no threat to property at this time. Ring 000 if an emergency arises.

I have heard several helicopters fly over my house this morning (Chisholm). I am glad to see this, as people are going to be understandably nervous given the closeness of the 2003 anniversary and the advice provided by certain authorities at that time (or the lack thereof).

Go firies, you are appreciated more than you know.

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Thumper 10:30 am
06 Jan 13
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knuckles said :

Why would the SES stand up for high fire danger days.

Surely the firies can call them in when they need someone to make their sandwiches.

Or run supplies to the fireground, fill and man quick fills, do reckies, road blocks, provide forward logistics, perform evacuations if necessary, provide search teams for victims, provide emergency repairs for damaged houses.

Couldn’t be arsed adding any more but if it all turned to s*** like in 2003 they’re be plenty for the SES to do

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EvanJames 10:32 am
06 Jan 13
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This long run of hot weather will be drying out the fuel faster. Next week you’ll see a higher fire danger, we’re in for more hot temps, including some almost-40s going into the weekend. If we get very low humidity, and wind, then you’ll see the danger develop into something nasty.

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Thumper 10:44 am
06 Jan 13
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Thumper said :

knuckles said :

Why would the SES stand up for high fire danger days.

Surely the firies can call them in when they need someone to make their sandwiches.

Or run supplies to the fireground, fill and man quick fills, do reckies, road blocks, provide forward logistics, perform evacuations if necessary, provide search teams for victims, provide emergency repairs for damaged houses.

Couldn’t be arsed adding any more but if it all turned to s*** like in 2003 they’re be plenty for the SES to do

Whoops… There….

sigh…

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knuckles 11:04 am
06 Jan 13
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Thumper said :

Thumper said :

knuckles said :

Why would the SES stand up for high fire danger days.

Surely the firies can call them in when they need someone to make their sandwiches.

Or run supplies to the fireground, fill and man quick fills, do reckies, road blocks, provide forward logistics, perform evacuations if necessary, provide search teams for victims, provide emergency repairs for damaged houses.

Couldn’t be arsed adding any more but if it all turned to s*** like in 2003 they’re be plenty for the SES to do

Whoops… There….

sigh…

1) Firies are required to be self sufficient in equipment and supplies for 24 hours before they attend the fire ground,
2) They include crews for quick fill appliances as part of their crewing levels
3)Reckies, road blocks, forward logistics, search teams and emergency repairs are not carried out as part of a 1st response emergency and crews can be called in for these if/when required.

SES are not part of an emergency response for fires, Fire & Rescue and RFS are. So other than making themselves feel important I still don’t see why SES would stand up on high fire danger days.

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rescuedg 11:23 am
06 Jan 13
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SES stood up yesterday for storm damage. I think the ESA website said they had 17 callouts.

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Thumper 11:28 am
06 Jan 13
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knuckles said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

knuckles said :

Why would the SES stand up for high fire danger days.

Surely the firies can call them in when they need someone to make their sandwiches.

Or run supplies to the fireground, fill and man quick fills, do reckies, road blocks, provide forward logistics, perform evacuations if necessary, provide search teams for victims, provide emergency repairs for damaged houses.

Couldn’t be arsed adding any more but if it all turned to s*** like in 2003 they’re be plenty for the SES to do

Whoops… There….

sigh…

1) Firies are required to be self sufficient in equipment and supplies for 24 hours before they attend the fire ground,
2) They include crews for quick fill appliances as part of their crewing levels
3)Reckies, road blocks, forward logistics, search teams and emergency repairs are not carried out as part of a 1st response emergency and crews can be called in for these if/when required.

SES are not part of an emergency response for fires, Fire & Rescue and RFS are. So other than making themselves feel important I still don’t see why SES would stand up on high fire danger days.

Comms, staging areas….

SES is not stood up because someone in SES says so. It’s because someone higher deems it necessary.

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Rawhide Kid Part3 11:42 am
06 Jan 13
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Thumper said :

knuckles said :

Why would the SES stand up for high fire danger days.

Surely the firies can call them in when they need someone to make their sandwiches.

Or run supplies to the fireground, fill and man quick fills, do reckies, road blocks, provide forward logistics, perform evacuations if necessary, provide search teams for victims, provide emergency repairs for damaged houses.

Couldn’t be arsed adding any more but if it all turned to s*** like in 2003 they’re be plenty for the SES to do

Also provide staging area management, Remote area comms, Transport….. The list is long depending on the type and size or the incident.

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Rawhide Kid Part3 11:52 am
06 Jan 13
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knuckles said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

knuckles said :

knuckles said :

Why would the SES stand up for high fire danger days.

Surely the firies can call them in when they need someone to make their sandwiches.

Or run supplies to the fireground, fill and man quick fills, do reckies, road blocks, provide forward logistics, perform evacuations if necessary, provide search teams for victims, provide emergency repairs for damaged houses.

Couldn’t be arsed adding any more but if it all turned to s*** like in 2003 they’re be plenty for the SES to do

Whoops… There….

sigh…

1) Firies are required to be self sufficient in equipment and supplies for 24 hours before they attend the fire ground,
2) They include crews for quick fill appliances as part of their crewing levels
3)Reckies, road blocks, forward logistics, search teams and emergency repairs are not carried out as part of a 1st response emergency and crews can be called in for these if/when required.

SES are not part of an emergency response for fires, Fire & Rescue and RFS are. So other than making themselves feel important I still don’t see why SES would stand up on high fire danger days.

knuckles said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

knuckles said :

knuckles said :

Why would the SES stand up for high fire danger days.

Surely the firies can call them in when they need someone to make their sandwiches.

Or run supplies to the fireground, fill and man quick fills, do reckies, road blocks, provide forward logistics, perform evacuations if necessary, provide search teams for victims, provide emergency repairs for damaged houses.

Couldn’t be arsed adding any more but if it all turned to s*** like in 2003 they’re be plenty for the SES to do

Whoops… There….

sigh…

1) Firies are required to be self sufficient in equipment and supplies for 24 hours before they attend the fire ground,
2) They include crews for quick fill appliances as part of their crewing levels
3)Reckies, road blocks, forward logistics, search teams and emergency repairs are not carried out as part of a 1st response emergency and crews can be called in for these if/when required.

SES are not part of an emergency response for fires, Fire & Rescue and RFS are. So other than making themselves feel important I still don’t see why SES would stand up on high fire danger days.

You don’t get it….. Do you. No SES, No follow up support. SES in the ACT have memorandum of understanding to provide support to all emergency service organizations with the ACT. They do this without predigest but with pride.

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