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T2 for Barry Drive?

By johnboy - 14 February 2012 49

The Liberals’ Zed Seselja has announced he’d make the Barry Drive bus lane a T2 if he gets elected.

“The Canberra Liberals will move to open this lane to T2 Traffic, that is all vehicles with two or more passengers on board. The infrastructure is there, but we don’t use it. It will cost nothing, and can instantly improve the drive to work for thousands of Canberrans.

“We led the way by pushing this idea on the ACT Labor government and succeeded in opening up Adelaide Avenue that had the same out of date restrictions. That has freed up that road enormously,” said Zed.

Shadow Transport Services Minister and local Belconnen Member Alistair Coe added, “The lane along Barry Drive is currently only open to buses and taxis, despite Barry Drive carrying up to 27,000 vehicles per day. Closing the third lane to nothing but busses – and busses that aren’t that frequent – is a massive waste and poor planning. Our idea opens Belconnen up just that bit more every day for all those travelling in by car.

Is a bus lane anywhere safe now?

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T2 for Barry Drive?
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Keijidosha 2:25 pm
14 Feb 12
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Innovation said :

Why not just set it up as a T2 for a trial and see how it goes. It can always be tightened up if it clogs the lane up or is being abused.

A trial of a T3/T4 would be worthwhile IMO, however the Adelaide Avenue temporary T2 mess shows that the chances of it reverting to a bus lane would be slim to none.

aidan said :

I’d be in favour of them extending the bus lane beyond the lights at ANU. All the third lane does is encourage lane-hopping and then a huge slowdown to merge again.

That is already in the works as part of a wider-scale upgrade of the public transport corridor between Belconnen and Civic:
http://www.transport.act.gov.au/studies_projects/belconnen_city_transitway_study.html
With the exception of the strange stop-start transit lanes on Haydon Drive the plan looks quite good.

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thatsnotme 2:28 pm
14 Feb 12
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I really can’t see what this would achieve? That road is only ever busy in the morning peak, and all that turning the bus lane into a T2 would achieve would be to speed some people’s trip before hitting the lights at the ANU, where they will again come to a stand still. Woohoo, so while you’re stopped waiting for the lights and/or to merge after the lights, you’ll get to see the cars you passed pulling up behind you.

Unless the Liberal’s plan includes a way to sort out the shit fight of traffic lights and merging lanes at the end of Barry Drive, then this will achieve absolutely nothing at all.

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Innovation 2:36 pm
14 Feb 12
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#16 Keijidosha – Actually I think you will find that the T2 on Adelaide Avenue is still temporary while the Gov’t works out what the lane is supposed to be for.

Honestly, provided an idea is safe and doesn’t cost too much to implement, I don’t see what harm there is in setting up more trials which can then be tightened, relaxed or removed later. The recent 40km/h trials in main shopping areas seem to have worked well – perhaps there should be a few more.

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BicycleCanberra 5:12 pm
14 Feb 12
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Very Busy said :

Err +1. but anyway, Mr BicycleCanberra, could you please explain to me how I can legally enter the northbound T2 lane on Adelaide Ave?

You need to enter that lane just after the roundabout in Woden at the start of Yarra Glen then exit on Adelaide ave near Parliament House

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Very Busy 7:20 pm
14 Feb 12
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BicycleCanberra said :

Very Busy said :

Err +1. but anyway, Mr BicycleCanberra, could you please explain to me how I can legally enter the northbound T2 lane on Adelaide Ave?

You need to enter that lane just after the roundabout in Woden at the start of Yarra Glen then exit on Adelaide ave near Parliament House

So what is it? In #3 you imply that the solid white line can’t be crossed and in #19 you say it can. You’ve lost me.

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Aeek 7:58 pm
14 Feb 12
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The bus stop at the end of the Barry Drive bus lane will be fun for spectators.

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BicycleCanberra 8:39 am
15 Feb 12
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Very Busy said :

BicycleCanberra said :

Very Busy said :

Err +1. but anyway, Mr BicycleCanberra, could you please explain to me how I can legally enter the northbound T2 lane on Adelaide Ave?

You need to enter that lane just after the roundabout in Woden at the start of Yarra Glen then exit on Adelaide ave near Parliament House

So what is it? In #3 you imply that the solid white line can’t be crossed and in #19 you say it can. You’ve lost me.

The Transit lane starts just after the roundabout in Woden and finishes on the next to parliament House. So you are not crossing the solid white line.

The rule in the Road rules is up to regional interpretations. When a transit lane is on the left like they are in Sydney you can enter that lane to turn left. This lane is on the right and the line is unbroken for its length.

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Innovation 9:07 am
15 Feb 12
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BicycleCanberra said :

Very Busy said :

BicycleCanberra said :

Very Busy said :

Err +1. but anyway, Mr BicycleCanberra, could you please explain to me how I can legally enter the northbound T2 lane on Adelaide Ave?

You need to enter that lane just after the roundabout in Woden at the start of Yarra Glen then exit on Adelaide ave near Parliament House

So what is it? In #3 you imply that the solid white line can’t be crossed and in #19 you say it can. You’ve lost me.

The Transit lane starts just after the roundabout in Woden and finishes on the next to parliament House. So you are not crossing the solid white line.

The rule in the Road rules is up to regional interpretations. When a transit lane is on the left like they are in Sydney you can enter that lane to turn left. This lane is on the right and the line is unbroken for its length.

I think you’ll find that there is at least one broken section along Adelaide Avenue and Yarra Glen.

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Very Busy 9:33 am
15 Feb 12
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Re: northbound T2 lane on Adelaide Ave.

It is a solid line right from the start with the exception of a 50 metre section of broken line just past Hopetoun Cct. You can’t enter that lane without crossing a broken line until you get past Hopetoun Cct.

Google Earth will demonstrate this.

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davo101 9:59 am
15 Feb 12
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BicycleCanberra said :

The rule in the Road rules is up to regional interpretations.

So then where does it say in the ACT regulations that rule 147 (c) doesn’t apply here?

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bryansworld 10:37 am
15 Feb 12
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tiliqua said :

BicycleCanberra said :

…you have to start and stay in that lane for its entire length as it is a solid white line.

Actually that’s not correct. From the Australian Road Rules (http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/db_37271/default.asp):

bryansworld said :

Moving from one marked lane to another marked lane across a continuous line separating the lanes
A driver on a multi-lane road must not move from one marked lane to another marked lane by crossing a continuous line separating the lanes unless:

(c) the driver is permitted to drive in both marked lanes under another provision of the Australian Road Rules or under another law of this jurisdiction; or
(d) either of the marked lanes is a special purpose lane in which the driver is permitted to drive under the Australian Road Rules and the driver is moving to or from the special purpose lane.

A lot of people in Canberra ignore these unbroken lines. It is really annoying when you obey the law and some doofus gets in the way because they don’t. On Commonwealth Avenue I wait until the line between lanes becomes broken before changing – to find I have to negotiate my way around some smart arse that thinks they are above the law. Small issue, but annoying.

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Very Busy 10:52 am
15 Feb 12
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bryansworld said :

A lot of people in Canberra ignore these unbroken lines. It is really annoying when you obey the law and some doofus gets in the way because they don’t. On Commonwealth Avenue I wait until the line between lanes becomes broken before changing – to find I have to negotiate my way around some smart arse that thinks they are above the law. Small issue, but annoying.

Yep, just another one of our road rules that isn’t subject to enforcement because speeding is all that matters!!!!

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ML-585 11:46 am
15 Feb 12
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The Lib’s Public Transport strategy is clear: (1) convert all Bus Lanes to T2 (2) convert all T2 lanes to regular traffic lanes (3) ACTION’s patronage decreases due to increased travel times on main routes, so slash funding to ACTION (4) ACTION’s patronage decreases further due to reduced services, so contract-out ACTION to private sector.

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JessP 12:32 pm
15 Feb 12
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ML-585 said

ML-585 said :

The Lib’s Public Transport strategy is clear: (1) convert all Bus Lanes to T2 (2) convert all T2 lanes to regular traffic lanes (3) ACTION’s patronage decreases due to increased travel times on main routes, so slash funding to ACTION (4) ACTION’s patronage decreases further due to reduced services, so contract-out ACTION to private sector.

The ACT Governments Transport strategy is:

– Build new roads but build at 50% of the size needed, decide to duplicate them at enormous cost and more inconvenience
– Make the ACTION bus network unworkable for anyone who works more than 2 interchanges away from their home (Home in Evatt to Woden Interchange in 65 minutes? I dont think so!)
– Penalise anyone who dares drive a car by making parking expensive then by increasing the cost by at least an additional $1-2 per year.

Need I go on?

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Aeek 10:11 pm
15 Feb 12
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tiliqua said :

BicycleCanberra said :

…you have to start and stay in that lane for its entire length as it is a solid white line.

Actually that’s not correct. From the Australian Road Rules (http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/db_37271/default.asp):

Aeek said :

Moving from one marked lane to another marked lane across a continuous line separating the lanes
A driver on a multi-lane road must not move from one marked lane to another marked lane by crossing a continuous line separating the lanes unless:

(c) the driver is permitted to drive in both marked lanes under another provision of the Australian Road Rules or under another law of this jurisdiction; or
(d) either of the marked lanes is a special purpose lane in which the driver is permitted to drive under the Australian Road Rules and the driver is moving to or from the special purpose lane.

Simplifying: you can’t cross an unbroken lane divider
UNLESS
c) you are allowed to straddle two lanes = Heavy vehicle (when needed)
d) its special – bus lane, T2, bike lane, etc and you are allowed to be there
note. you are allowed to enter a bike lane for ??m(more than the broken lines) to turn left/exit

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